Law / Firearms Law Poland - UK training company [4]

You need to have permanent residency in Poland in order to get a gun license that would allow you to buy guns. I am not aware of any exceptions to this rule...


Probably, especially if you don't plan to live and train people in Poland.


kpdi.pl/english/kontakt/ (They're in Gdańsk)

I don't know if those know English, but you can contact them and find out:

Warsaw:
sadowski-kancelaria.pl/kontakt.html

Opole:
kancelaria-mehl.pl/kontakt/

News / Northern Lights in Poland [49]

The map of Poland is getting green, so people in the North of Poland may see something, it looks like there's going to be K7 aurora in 30 minutes (it's nowhere near what we had in Poland on Friday though - it was K9).

News / Northern Lights in Poland [49]

Helpful links for those who still want to try to see aurora today:

For people living in Poland - aurora forecast for Poland - you can check the present situation, what was happening earlier and what will happen in around 30 minutes - just choose the hour (for now the map is completely gray, so there's no aurora visible in Poland right now):

meteologix.com/pl/aurora

The world - if you scroll down you can choose "North America", "Europe and Asia" and "Southern hemisphere" to check what are the chances of seeing aurora at your location at the moment (right now it's 0% for both Europe and Asia):

spaceweatherlive.com/pl/aktywnosc-zorzowa/zasieg-zorzy-polarnej.html

Here you can find recent news about solar storms, play the aurora simulation for the planet for today (it doesn't show the latest 2 hours, but can give you some idea about what's going on) and if you scroll down the charts there's also Estimated Planetarny K Index (it doesn't show the latest 3 hours though):

swpc.noaa.gov/homepage

News / Northern Lights in Poland [49]


Did you get lucky in the end?

Those are photos of aurora taken by Piotr Wierzbicki yesterday evening at around 22:00 not far from Toruń (around 17 minutes drive from Toruń) in Piwnice (there's a university astronomical observatory there - you can see Poland's biggest radio telescope in those photos):

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Wow, that must be awesome... 🥺 How many times did you manage to see them?


I agree! I don't think I've seen such photos of "aurora clouds" and those stars shining through the aurora! Wow! 🤩
The author is Ewa Wydrzyńska-Scelina and the photos were taken on Friday/Saturday after midnight :)


I hope you'll succeed - fingers crossed! 🤞

Yesterday during sunset big-ass, thick and dark clouds covered the sky in my area, unfortunately :( There was just a tiny fragment of sky left and after sunset I could see a nice turquoise colour of the sky, but I don't know if that was just a post-sunset sky or whether it had anything to do with aurora... The sky cleared only later at night, but I didn't see anything, so I went to sleep...

My parents went to my grandma to the countryside on Saturday, so in theory they should have great conditions - no clouds, dark skies, great view on the horizon, but they didn't see anything during yesterday evening either... :(

I guess you have to get lucky with the location or what? Because look at those photos - they were taken yesterday evening at Chańcza lake in my region (I know this lake, I've been there) at around 22:50 - so magical!: 😍

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News / Northern Lights in Poland [49]

@cms neuf, the same here :(((

It looks like it "blew over" during the day and now it's gone... :(

There doesn't seem to be any indication that there's going to be anything to see tonight, so I'm going to sleep... Maybe tomorrow... *sigh* 😢

Goodnight.

News / Northern Lights in Poland [49]

Northern lights in the somewhat cloudy skies of the Bieszczady Mountains (photos by EWS) :):

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UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


And if that's the case then why there was semen on her clothes? And whose semen was that? If that's true that the flatmates weren't even questioned then I'm guessing DNA samples weren't taken from them either.

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That was ruled out though. I mean, the toxicology tests didn't show any substances in her blood that could be the cause of her death if that's what you mean.


In theory that's possible, of course. However, her friend said in "Intervention" that Sandra never had a boyfriend and noone knew about this (besides the friend, I'm guessing). My guess is that it's possible that she was a virgin.


Well, I'm afraid it doesn't look like they were very inclined to take all kinds of possibilities into consideration...

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


It takes two to tango, jon357.


Again, you're talking about yourself :))))


So how about we call a truce finally? I think we both said all we wanted already, so there's no point in continuing this. This thread shouldn't be about us and our mutual grievances and arguments.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


You must be talking about yourself :)))


That's an assumption on your part that she's "unable". You don't know that. Judging by what was written in the articles and said in "Intervention" she has good reasons to think that the police and the coroner didn't do their job.


You were so terribly concerned yesterday about being respectful towards her and her grief and that she might be reading our comments and today you're shit1ing on her by claiming that she's unable to accept "the truth" and it's all in her head. Wow. That went quick.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


I think it's rather universal in humans lol Although it probably also depends on the level of arrogance, etc.


Like what? As a mother I'd prefer for my daughter to die of natural causes rather than get beaten up, raped and murdered...

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No, I'm not. I repeatedly wrote that I'm giving the info that is available. And since the British police didn't respond in any way to the accusations of negligence I'm more inclined to believe the mother, Sandra's friends and the detective FOR NOW, that's all. If you prefer to believe the British police, etc. then that's your choice. It's your business.

Btw, this is what I wrote in my second comment in this thread in response to jon357:


And as you can see my stance didn't change.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Why on Earth is it "becoming distasteful"? What are you talking about?


That's what I wrote yesterday, but you're starting all over again today.


We don't know if the mother knew about it at that time and, besides, she may not trust the British police and coroners at this point and maybe that's why she wanted to have a second autopsy in Poland. Either way, Sandra's body is apparently in Poland already, so it's done anyway.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


I know. But since we don't know the official conclusion made by the coroner that's all I can quote.


I'm sorry, Atch, but massive screw ups do happen in every country, even if in general, usually, the police and coroners are doing a good job. And we won't always know about such screw ups. We only know about this potential screw up, because the mother took it to the media. Not everyone has a parent who would have the balls and strength to do that, for example.


Really? How does jon357 seem to you then? :))) After all that crap he wrote about me? He didn't seem to be "disproportionately upset, almost hysterical" to you yesterday? Sorry, Atch, but I don't think you're being objective.

We had an argument with jon357 yesterday. As usual he's getting on my nerves with his attitude, that's all.


You should always secure the scene and the evidence if you don't know why someone died. So what are you talking about?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


And what is this supposed to mean?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


How convenient.
Suicide was ruled out though.


According to you. According to the mother, Sandra's friends (so people who actually knew her), the detective and the reporter (who actually went there) and me - there does appear to be grounds for suspicion. So let us agree to disagree, OK?

I will post an update in this thread when or if there's going to be more info.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No, actually there are more possibilities of conclusions (formerly called verdicts) like, for example:

- industrial diseases
- dependency on drugs or non-dependent abuse of drugs
- lack of care or self-neglect
- suicide
- lawful killing (formerly "justifiable homicide")

... and last but not least:

- open verdict (cause of death unknown or unstated)


Of course there is.


I'd say that it's defenitely more than just "slight".


I have the same impression.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Jon357 is just being an obnoxious demagogue. He's trying to shut my mouth, but I'm not going to fall for that. Maybe he thinks I'm attacking his "home & country" lol even though I also criticised Polish police and society on this forum. He's weird like that.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No, I didn't.


So according to you the mother is spreading "trash" about the death of her own daughter? Because I only wrote what she and the detective hired by her are saying.

Jon357, what you're trying to do now is honestly sickening. But you won't discourage me from writing about this case. You can post all kind of crap you want about me, but if I find out something more about Sandra's death I will write about it and you won't stop me. Especially considering that, as you wrote, there's nothing in English about this case.


No, you should be ashamed of yourself.


I can only guess that it was "natural causes" considering what the British police is saying, but clearly noone who knew Sandra is buying that. It doesn't look like the medical cause of her death was given.

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It doesn't look like he does.


No, they haven't been.


As it was already explained to you - coroner's "verdict" is that Sandra's "heart stopped beating". Are you satisfied with such "verdict"? Because I'm not and Sandra's mother clearly isn't satisfied either.


Why are you lying?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No, I didn't start any argument. I shared the news and you chose to comment on my post. Which is fine, that's what forums are for, so stop whining.


It's on the basis of a few articles and Polsat News "Intervention" TV reportage (the reporter went to London). You can watch it here (it shows the video of neighbours finding the body):

interwencja.polsatnews.pl/reportaz/2024-05-06/tajemnicza-smierc-19-latki-w-londynie-polska-prokuratura-reaguje/


Without consequences? Now the whole of Poland knows about this case. If it turns out that the detective is lying/scamming a grieving mother for money he will be finished. Everybody will know.


Drop what? Discussing events concerning Polish citizens? I will definitely not stop. I will discuss whatever I want and you have no right to tell me what to do.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No idea, it doesn't look like they said anything about it...

That's all there is written about the reaction of the British police:

"The representatives of the British police didn't agree to talk to 'Intervention' in front of a camera. According to them Sandra died from natural causes. The investigation therefore was discontinued."

That's one of the things that are strange to me, btw. It's literally the job of the police press officer to talk to the media (yes, including in front of cameras)... Isn't in the UK also like that? 🤨

According to the detective the police assumed from the start that Sandra died from natural causes and hence all the negligence. Which is another strange thing - did they just walk into the room, look at a dead girl lying on the couch and just assumed that she died of natural causes and so they didn't bother to secure evidence, DNA? What the hell? Do they have X-rays in their eyes and can perform instant autopsy? lol

I mean, the fact that they didn't do the swab in case she got raped is honestly shocking to me. That's like the basic thing, one of the first things you would do in such a case, imho. Mind-blowing...

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Why do you think that?
For example, in case of Rotherham scandal all kinds of services failed - the police, social services...

Btw, how likely it is for a woman to suffer a stroke during a gang rape? How often do you hear about such stuff? I only heard about one such case. But it happened.

So it may be such "freak" case - I wouldn't rule it out. You never know and that's why you should investigate properly.


Maf also just stated that no police force is perfect and overworked and understaffed and underfunded police force may want to "get it over with" and close the case.


I perfectly realise this. But the accusations of the mother and the detective concerning negligence by the police are serious. It's not just about coroner's report.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


But you and jon357 can jump to the conclusion about the mother?


As I already wrote it's not the only problem with this case, to put it mildly. Besides, the girl could get a heart attack during a rape. I remember a case of a woman who suffered a stroke during a gang rape (she survived).


Of course. I just wrote a post about what I read in press articles.


I didn't start this, jon357 did and you continue. I only shared the news.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]

The whole quote from Polsat News:

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2024-05-06/interwencja-smierc-19-latki-w-londynie-polska-prokuratura-reaguje

"Coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why.

- This is impossible. She danced for many years and every six months she had to do exercise ECG. Everything was OK, the heart was healthy and she could continue to exercise. This is a scandal in the British police, I couldn't imagine how you could do nothing in such a case. One flatmate said that the other flatmate also left the flat on December 17. But one of the neighbours saw that boy on December 20 using the computer. Here, in this flat - Ewa assesses."

(According to coroner's report Sandra died on December 17-18 and her body was found on December 23).

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Sorry, I meant that this evidence should be investigated no matter if she had a boyfriend or not.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


It was her friend who said that she had no boyfriend at that time, not her mother. And anyway, this should be investigated whether she had a boyfriend or not.


It may also be that the British police did a bad job.


Yes:

"Koroner w raporcie napisał, że serce Sandry po prostu przestało bić - nie stwierdził dlaczego."

Translation:

"The coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why".


Drop what? You started it and you can stop it if you wish.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


And I'm telling you yet another time that the mother says that the cause of death, i.e. why Sandra's heart stopped beating wasn't given. Do you understand?

So, I'm asking you again - do you think the mother is lying?


How about you follow your own advice.


I am doing no such thing. You commented on my post first and you can stop anytime, so stop being a baby.


That's not the only problem with this case though - judging by the articles I've read.