History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

There's no agenda here, folks!

There were those Poles who hid Jews, made huge sacrifices, and those who may have for a time, but then realized that it wasn't worth their while, that's all.

Think we're blowing what I wrote way out of all proportion:-)

Incidentally, gaining sympathy works both ways. Sob stories on the gentile end can be as effective as vice-versa.

The dirty shame, rather than just a pity, is, that a fair number of Jewish survivors have in fact either invented or at least embellished their experiences during the Holocaust, thereby making a mockery of the entire event, not to even mention fueling the already festering resentment of anti-Semites the world over!!

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Again, I'm not condemning Poland, any more than one would condemn the Germans aka "collective" Germany!

Obviously, in any group, there will be exceptions. Poland had a mighty resistance, far greater than in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary etc., almost equal to the French Resistance in her tenacity!

All I'm saying is, that as with post-War Austria, far too often, Poland was made to seem the mere victim of Nazi aggression. History shows, Gross for example, that there was a latent anti-Semitism in Poland which Hitler and cohorts manipulated all too skillfully during his occupation of that country.

Poland was perhaps more susceptible to anti-Semitism. That scarcely makes all Poles monsters now, does it? I hardly think so:-)

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

That's as straightforward as I can get at this time, pal! If it were any straighter, it would snap:-)
lol

@Kaprys,

Do you think that if the Poles en masse had openly refused to cooperate with the Germans, as happened by in large in Denmark for instance, the Holocaust would have occurred as swiftly and "efficiently" in Poland as it did?

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Were the majority of Poland's population living predominantly in the countryside more neutral towards their Jewish fellow citizens, as were, say, the Danes, the Bulgarians, even the Spaniards and the Italians, the Nazis would doubtless have less success in recruiting locals to help in rounding up Jews!

You mean to tell me that you can put Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania or Latvia in the same category as Italy, Spain, Denmark, Bulgaria or Albania??

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Nobody ever called Poland "responsible", for which reason I used the term "responsibility" instead, indicating SHARED responsibility only.
If you can't accept the unvarnished truth and wish to believe fairy tales about how perfect or wonderful poor Poland was during WWII, that remains YOUR delusion, not mine!

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

I wrote consistently about Polish Christians, true Christians who performed their Christian duties, selfless acts of courage and resistance, such as those who were behind the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Whatever their backgrounds, they came together as Christians, Jews, above all, as fellow Poles to fight Hitler!!

Leopold Socha along with Jan Karski were also mentioned numerous times in a number of my posts, so what the hell are you babbling about?!!

Either you can't read, or you read selectively. Furthermore, no discussion is pointless in as far as it attempts to arrive at the truth.

Travel / Why do you visit Poland? [223]

Curious as to what you consider "not as bad as some claim", Paul. If you're referring to the condition of the site itself, I can't judge because I've never been.

If you're however referring to the total experience of bearing witness to the unspeakable acts committed by those who forgot that G_d, not Man, is the measure of all things, I submit you are either naive to a fault, still a child who cannot comprehend, or, a rather warped individual!

Hope you had a "nice time". Somehow, I just wouldn't have an appetite for viewing human tragedy while on vacationLOL

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

I'm well aware of all that, kaprys, as I'm certain you must be aware by this time. However, for every "good" Catholic Pole, there were plenty out there willing to turn in their Jewish neighbor.

Again, not all gentiles were angels either! Do you understand what I've been posting, or only what you WANT to understand?
:-)

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Wish you'd show me chapter and verse, if possible, where and when I do the things I've been accused of.

I'm dyin' to find out. Plus, I love reading fiction, helps me relax:-)

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Thank you, roz!

At least somebody out there's paying attention and has a brain in his head:-)

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

There y'all go projecting again, foisting your own inadequacies onto others:-)

Point of info. Lenin was not Jewish.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Once you tell us what we intentionally perpetrated upon gentiles with malice of forethought, I'd be glad to:-)

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Reminds me of the old anecdote about the American kid who meets a British child of the same age. One day, the American boy goes over to his English counterpart and punches him right in the nose,drawing blood. "What was that for?" asked the little English boy. "That's for almost winning the Revolutionary War!" "But that was over two-hundred years ago." replied the English boy. "Oh, I know.", said the American. 'But I only learned about it today!"

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History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Anyone who feels they have nothing to apologize for cannot be taken seriously. Nothing is ever one-sided, either your side or mine:-)

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Apparently you don't either. A bigot is a fool by any other name!

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Kaprys, nor is arrogance a reason not to ask for correction.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Mixing apples and oranges there, gregy! Plenty of Jews went to bat for their Christian neighbors etc.

@Kaprys, many Catholics saved Jews. They did though risk the ire of the Church nonetheless.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

As English is not either of your first language, I'm not surprised you've misunderstood. Therefore, I post in Polish:-)

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Why all the historical anti-Jewish prejudice? We can thank Catholic teaching for much of it, I'm afraid.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

All I'm saying is that many countres such as Poland and Austria avoided blame after the war. Now, it's payback time.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

You feel maligned, admitted. We too in the States maligned ourselves, such as slavery and the Native American issue.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

I "did" nothing to Poland!

There were upstanding Poles who tried to alert the West to what was happening. One was Jan Karski. On the resistance side, there was of course Leopold Socha, the Lwov sewer official, who hid Jews at great risk to his own life as well as that of his family:-)

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Define please for us "Zionist". When you're done, then "Jewish Supremacist", because honestly, you don;t understand what the f***k you're takling about...in either language:-)

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History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Scarcely, if you even bothered to read my English! Poland however, unlike Denmark, Albania or Bulgaria, DID persist in abetting Hitler's anti-semitic policies. Like elsewhere, there was as much collaboration in Poland as there was resistance, although clearly in Poland, there was much, much more resistance than in either Germany, Switzerland, or Austria.

Motto of the story? NO country is or was "perfect", so quit whining and fess up to the facts!! Neither gentile nor Jewish Poles were angels, period.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

I'm not a Zionist, though trying to convince the ignorant of the truth is like trying to sail upstream without a paddleLOL

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

While I never ONCE as much as intimated that Poland was "responsible" for the Holocaust (your words, not mine), without local cooperation, upon which Hitler was banking heavily, the Holocaust wouldn' have proceeded as astonishingly quickly as it did! This is a fact, look it up in Raul Hillberg's monumentally resarched "The Destruction of the Jews" - unabridged version!

Poland, much as throughout the rest of Catholic Europe, had been spoon-fed the lie that the Jews killed Jesus. More to the point, Judas Iskariot turned him in...but to the Romans, and not to his fellow Israelites:-)

Anti-Semitism therefore remains merely the result of a mass misconception, not based on historical fact, pure and simple.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Germany, Austria, Hungary, Romania etc. any or all of either collaborators or Axis powers:-)

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

The only double standard in the present discussion involves those who claim that Poland bear less culpability than the rest because she was occupied by the Nazis. In fact, without Polish complicity, to a large degree, the efforts of those responsible for the Holocause would have been immeasurable slowed down, if not halted.

As I've stated numerous times, hatred is a cancer, a virus which needs feeding. The Catholic Church had fed Jew-hatred for centuries, fueling the lie that the JEWS, and not the Romans, actually crucified Jesus!!

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Surely, savior nations such as Israel, along with those whose history was responsible for Auschwitz, that is, for the Holocaust such as Germany, to a lesser extent Poland. The US too should help out, as well as France, Russia and various allied countries during the War.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

I call them fellow Polish citizens who may have Communist leanings, that's all:-) Not every issue is black or white, Ironside! That rigidity of thinking will slow you up every time, prevent you from seeing the facts clearly..