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What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)?


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,447
24 May 2020 #181
I'm talking about cultural background, religion, worldview and dominant set of values not genetics.

Me too....

There are many Poles with German heritage who are as good as any other Poles.

Of course...why shouldn't they!

It's YOU who persist on fundamental differences....but they don't exist....Poles make good Germans = Germans make good Poles....all these "irreconcilable" differences exist only in your head and in politicians greed who always like to rile up one people against another to secure their position and to make themselves indispensable!

I rather look up to the future glory of Poland which is within our grasp.

Not as long as you want to rebuild a foggy glorious past against a past enemy with refighting past wars....you will only lose the future again!
Torq
24 May 2020 #182
And the great vision for Poland is to tap on an undeveloped potential of Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans.

Yes, I believe V4 has to eventually expand South. The key to European safety and stability lies in the Balkans, and the key to the Balkans is (and always has been) Serbia -- more has to be done to use Serbian potential to unify and consolidate the southern flank.

breaking the geopolitical concept of mitteleuropa

Well... I know that when you say "mitteleuropa" you mean the German concept of turning central European countries into their sattelites, both politically and economically, but I think that ever since then the very concept has evolved and, with much mor benevolent Germany than in the past, it is now about the unity of central european countries (including Germany and Austria) who share so much common history, experience and similarities that it would be unwise not to use the potential that there is to tighten the cooperation.

Poles and Germans are probably the most mixed peoples in Europe!

Most mixed and, contrary to widespread stereotypes, most similar. Even the current "ultra-nationalistic" government of Poland is trying to imitate German ordoliberalism of 1950s-60s, simply because hard word, thrift and respect for their country is as compatible with Polish mentality as it is with German.

Poles make good Germans = Germans make good Poles

That's it in a nutshell. :)

The silly board won't let me edit my post - of course I meant "hard work" not "hard word". :D
Spike31 2 | 2,163
24 May 2020 #183
It's YOU who persist on fundamental differences....but they don't exist

all these "irreconcilable" differences exist only in your head

If your only argument is simple denial of facts then there's no discussion. I can tell that there are deep differences.

I've travelled a lot around the Europe and have found nations, which we share much more similarity with than with Germans. I'm talking about national mentality and similar language, religion down to worldview, art, music, folk traditions...And I'm not even talking about our closest neighbours but even about those which Poland doesn't border with like Croatia.

Sure Poles and Germans are more similar then lets say Poles and Thais or Poles and Chinese but for such as geographically close neighbours we are as different as possible. Even the most deluded "EU enthusiast" in Poland will tell you that.

Yes, I believe V4 has to eventually expand South. The key to European safety and stability lies in the Balkans

Yes, the current East-West trade direction monopoly needs to be countered by North-Sought trade routes and economic ties. This will allow the region to grow and to become more economically, and in turn also politically, stable. And once the infrastructure is completed it will remain there for decades to keep CEE well connected in the future.
Torq
24 May 2020 #184
we are as different as possible

I would disagree here, Spike. I observe student exchanges with Germany and see that our youth are getting on perfectly well. Germans who settled in Poland with time became good Poles (to say the least!): Unrug, Rómmel, Trunkhardt, Sztaudynger, Manteuffel, or people from your favourite politicalparty - Korwin-Mikke or Mentzen. It works the other way around too.

OK, there are some differences in character - Germans are probably not so open, hospitable and friendly to strangers as Poles, but then again - maybe it's just our subjective perception. And we feel more at home in Croatia or Czechia simply because the languages are so similar to ours.
Spike31 2 | 2,163
24 May 2020 #185
Germans who settled in Poland with time became good Poles

Well, like I said, it is more of a cultural than a genetic background issue.

There's a big difference between Polonized citizen with German descent who was born and raised in Poland and who is Polish and between Germans living in Germany.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,447
24 May 2020 #186
Tell me more about these differences please....what exactly are those?

Because if you are talking about...national mentality and similar language, religion down to worldview, art, music, folk traditions....then you can forget your Intermarium immediately...because ALL nations are different in that regard...that's what makes them to different nations in the first place. They are no "little Polands"...

And still, you want them to work together for a common greater good, in a union...so you believe they are able to overcome these differences...because they identify with a common greater good.

Bingo! :)
Spike31 2 | 2,163
24 May 2020 #187
because they identify with a common greater good.

You found it. We share an idea of a common greater good. Our common greater good is to provide a balanced growth to our countries and economies by connecting them on much more intense level that it is done right now.

And what are the "values" which the EU core has to offer? Not even to offer, which would suggest a free choice, but rather want to enforce on us? An African-muslim multikulti with quotas of "refugees" and LGBT-something anti-civilizational "values",, socialism and neo-marxism. No, those rotten pseudo-values is something which Poles don't share with Germans (or French or Swedes...). Keep all those goodies and those values for yourself.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,447
24 May 2020 #188
@Torq
PS: If your dream-Intermarium is one of ethnical, religious, political and sexual oppression (only the "right" choices will be supported, everything else is "verboten") then I'm sure we will see alot more Poles and others chosing Germany to live in, preferring their freedom, packing their bags and wandering westwards...especially the young ones...

And the end of that is also already predictable!

Do you really want to repeat that sad old history?

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