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Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn?


OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
9 Jan 2011  #151
Open you eyes, all these Chinese immediately adopts Russian names, custom, behavior! A couple of years in Russia and the drink vodka better than native population. Assimilation on its way.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
9 Jan 2011  #152
:) You are amusing!

Well I am glad that you are amused, But i doubt if Politovskaya, Chodkovsky, Litvinienko and others are as amused as you. What you don't understand is that in civilized countries you cannot dispatch people on the whim of the government, nor can you sanction a free media. Your response to my post is proof positive about how untrustworthy and one sided the Russian media is.
Torq 26 | 2,363
9 Jan 2011  #153
all these Chinese immediately adopts Russian names

:D

Ladies and gentlemen - meet Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov...

lol
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
10 Jan 2011  #154
It should make for an interesting mix in a few decades time, at last we won't have to quibble about whether Russia is a European or Or Asian country, we will be able to place it firmly in the Asian camp. So I guess there won't be any need for them to apply to join the EU, it will be like the old days when they found themselves under the Mongol Yoke.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #155
Ok, now well advertised Muslim threat to Russia. I should admit I hate this barbaric religion in every respect. But the fact that we have 20 millions of Muslims dose not automatically mean that they somehow will shake foundation of Russian state. Some minor conflict may take place but I am sure that we are able to handle with this problem. Several reasons:

1) We have been living side by side many centuries more or less without problems
2) Russia is secular state. Religion in Russia plays far less significant role than let's say in Poland. Everyone has a possibility to be admitted in Russian power holding structures regardless and therefore can share the power regardless his/here religious background. There are a lot of celebrities in russia who have Muslim roots and openly professing their superstitions. So, here we have the situation when nobody cares about your faith until you are loyal.

3) All native Muslim population is highly distributed and intermingled with Russians (one exception is north caucasus for some reasons - war). They may have their autonomous republics but all these have been made just to flatter their vain. For example, Tatarstan has almost 50/50 distribution (plus some unsolved problems with its neighbor Bashkiria)

4) Their leaders can name themselves whatever they wish - presidents, sultans or even padishahs - it makes no difference to bold russian state. We all know that all important post on the middle level are in hand of Russians. Simply Russians are more competent in technical questions.

5) We do not have ghettos in Russian cities. What we do have, is the problem of ethnic crime gangs, but they are too concentrated on money making process.

6) Since Muslim population is highly dispersed and/or unorganized, the assimilation process is highly possible. And we do have it. I should confess it is a great source of delight for me. I am almost 35 years old, sure it is not sufficient to make any bold assertions, but anyway it is enough to make some private observations. Several years I am observing enormous increase of interracial marriages. All russian women have a soft sport in their hearts for cocaucasian men. They are manly looking, have hairy chests and very hot, believe me, I say this with competence. And I cannot blame them for this. But we perfectly know it from history thar woman is a motive power of assimilation. All these Muslims being placed in Russian society surrounded by their wives, mothers-in-low, fathers-in-low etc., what they have to oppose? Their children are taught in Russian schools finally. How can they resist all this family power I wonder?

And indeed, I see the result of this "struggle" every single day on the streets of my own town near Moscow - mixed children. So, in short, we have much more health concerning this question than Poland with its latent racism and polish superiority or Americans with their open segregation.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
10 Jan 2011  #156
Costi, when are you going to live in the real world. Russia is a notoriously racist country, didn't you ever hear about the attacks of Russian skinheads on other Russians of different ethnicity. Mmmmm.... wait of course not, you only get your information from Russian media, which as we have established before not free and biased. So here let me enlighten:

Young and racist in Saint Petersburg
...

Xenophobia in Russia 'out of control'
youtu.be/S8zKfluSsuE

Attacks Against Minorities Up in Russia. ruSSiaracism
youtu.be/2GvBh8PZnmw

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm

Do you need any more information? I think we can say that Polish racism does not even come close to the Russian standard. you should broaden your mind and stop sourcing you information from Russian government propaganda.

6) Since Muslim population is highly dispersed and/or unorganized, the assimilation process is highly possible. And we do have it. I should confess it is a great source of delight for me. I am almost 35 years old, sure it is not sufficient to make any bold assertions, but anyway it is enough to make some private observations. Several years I am observing enormous increase of interracial marriages. All russian women have a soft sport in their hearts for cocaucasian men.

And when that happens then you will be even less attractive to the Poles that's if your country does not break out into internecine racial warfare. (: so I guess you can't we can you Costi?
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #157
Costi, when are you going to live in the real world.

Great agitating force. You overestimate its importance. It serves to force minorities to adopt culture. Let's live another 30 years and you will see that I am right. Btw, latent racism, as you have it in Poland/Europe is much more dangerous than sporadic eruptions as we have here.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
10 Jan 2011  #158
Yes if all else fails deny reality, I am sorry Costi, but I have never seen anyone win an argument by sticking their head in the sand(:

I haven't heard of any latent racism in Poland or Europe, but i hear about in Russia very frequently. But if you believe that it exists, and as you say the Russian minorities will mix with the Russian population, that will be even more reason to dislike the Russians.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
10 Jan 2011  #159
all these Chinese immediately adopts Russian names, custom, behavior! A couple of years in Russia and the drink vodka better than native population. Assimilation on its way.

So Russia will lose its slavic roots? Hmmmm

Ladies and gentlemen - meet Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov...

Lol.

latent racism, as you have it in Poland/Europe is much more dangerous than sporadic eruptions as we have here.

Lol, Ah, living in the "twilight zone" is fun.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #160
But if you believe that it exists, and as you say the Russian minorities will mix with the Russian population, that will be even more reason to dislike the Russian

So Russia will lose its slavic roots? Hmmmm

Oh I see here clear manifestation of my observation on Poles! Why do you think that slavic roots are so important? I always thought that culture has evident superiority over nationality.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
10 Jan 2011  #161
But isn't it slavic culture that makes Russia what it is? If Russia becomes Chinese or Muslim than it is no longer Russia. It has become 'something else'.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
10 Jan 2011  #162
I always thought that culture has evident superiority over nationality.

Well in that case you should better adopt to Chinese and Islamic cultural practices. LOL

I understand that wife beating is de rigueur amongst Russian alcoholics, so at least that is something they have in common with the Muslims(:
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #163
But isn't it slavic culture that makes Russia what it is? If Russia becomes Chinese or Muslim than it is no longer Russia. It has become 'something else'.

You are either disingenuous or inattentive man. Nevertheless I am going to repeat this magic word - ASSIMILATION! This implies all secondary generations being produced as a result of liaisons between Russians and foreigners will adopt Russian culture, custom, habits, religion. Personally, I don't care about the skin colour. Provided that they think as Russians, associate themselves with Russian culture, they are Russian!

Well in that case you should better adopt to Chinese and Islamic cultural practices. LOL

Actually I am not that interested in Chinese culture; but this lack of interest is the result of my narrow mind only. But I understand that their culture stands pretty well above both Russian and European cultures. For your information, it is longest continuously existing state in the world. I wish Russia had the same stable political and social structure as they have in China. It is real miracle that they managed survive all European states and "great" empires.

Please try to hide you latent racism.

alcoholics

Oh another cliche - Russian alcoholism! I do not like to refer statistics data but in this case I see no other satisfactory arguments. Visit wikipedia and try to search "alcohol consumption by states". I swear your eyebrows will get up.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
10 Jan 2011  #164
Actually I am not that interested in Chinese culture.

I am impressed by what you're saying, but is this opinion shared by most of the Russians?

Buy the way, please ignore the opinions of British or American Poles, they've soaked up by what is the worst of America and Britain - local vicious racism. But they are not to blame, all foreigners are forced there to adopt discredited ideologies - they are to play a part of whipping boys - after all somebody must pay for the period of shameful errors. I'm just joking.
Torq 26 | 2,363
10 Jan 2011  #165
All russian women have a soft sport in their hearts for cocaucasian men. They are manly
looking, have hairy chests and very hot, believe me

Is it possible that our friend Constantine is, in fact, Konstancja? ;)
southern 75 | 7,097
10 Jan 2011  #166
Several years I am observing enormous increase of interracial marriages. All russian women have a soft sport in their hearts for cocaucasian men.

Polki do apparently the same but with devastating consequences.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
10 Jan 2011  #167
cocaucasian men.

Origin of the concept
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#Origin_of_the_concept

Usage in the United States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#Usage_in_the_United_States

Do not take Americans seriously. They once made a mistake and called inhabitants of America Indians and since that time they have made a lot of such mistakes.

devastating consequences

Have they devastated you?
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
10 Jan 2011  #168
all secondary generations being produced as a result of liaisons between Russians and foreigners will adopt Russian culture, custom, habits, religion.

Yes, I look forward to hearing the Chinese sing the "Volga Boat" song.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #169
Is it possible that our friend Constantine is, in fact, Konstancja? ;)

Actually that means only that I prefer to play on the same side.

Yes, I look forward to hearing the Chinese sing the "Volga Boat" song.

Oh that will be great. However, be sure that mixing with Chinese will add only amusing diversity to our faces in the future. Beautiful almond-shaped blue eyes will be combined with hairy chests and long penises. Believe me that will be insuperable force.

Every year the nation becomes more beautiful, I see the result of this genetic enrichment.

am impressed by what you're saying, but is this opinion shared by most of the Russians?

Consciously or unconsciously, but the result is evident and on the surface.
southern 75 | 7,097
10 Jan 2011  #170
Beautiful almond-shaped blue eyes will be combined with hairy chests and long penises

What if slavic eyes and high cheeks get combined with chinese micropenises?This mix can lead to degradation.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #171
Southern, the natural course of genetics requires exactly big penises. They provide more pleasure for women, so unconsciously they will choose the best combination. The size is important.
southern 75 | 7,097
10 Jan 2011  #172
the natural course of genetics requires exactly big penises

So why do they choose chinese then?Even chinese men sometimes spend their entire life trying to find their pen1s.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #173
So why do they choose chinese then?

Who said that they choose? Not me! It is Chinese men strive to engage with Russian women for better assimilation.
southern 75 | 7,097
10 Jan 2011  #174
Maybe they want their children to develop big slavic pen1s and escape mediocrity.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
10 Jan 2011  #175
Nope, I think that the real reason is Russian culture, because otherwise they should mix themselves with Arabs or Africans
southern 75 | 7,097
10 Jan 2011  #176
Arabs and Africans are far away while Russia is close.Anyway about 200000 turkish men have married russian women and more than half of them live now in Russia.I don't know how useful this addition of turkish blood is.In my opinion Slavs should mix more with Germanics these were the most succesful results while slavic-mediteranean mix is beneficial only on appearance level.

this thread seems to be wandering
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
11 Jan 2011  #177
I wish Russia had the same stable political and social structure as they have in China. It is real miracle that they managed survive all European states and "great" empires.
Please try to hide you latent racism.

I was wasn't reflecting on Chinese culture, and i think we have already established that it is you who is the real racist, have you forgotten what you have written earlier when i showed you the antics of your countrymen?

But i guess you are using you favorite trick Of soviet propaganda, by trying to implicate your adversary with your adversary's enemy, just like the Soviets did with the AK?

But I am glad you have this favorable view of China, after all Mao Zedong and Stalin have a lot in common wouldn't you agree?
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
5 Feb 2011  #178
But i guess you are using you favorite trick Of soviet propaganda

Union collapsed twenty years ago and only stubborn idiot may see "soviet propaganda" in my words.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
6 Feb 2011  #179
Yes, but all habits die. And by your own admission you are a great fan of the soviet past.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
6 Feb 2011  #180
Fan? I have never said this! Union had many defects, but there are no doubts that that was one of the greatest civilizations the world had ever witnessed, far more greater and human, at least in ideas, than so called Western one and American in particular. This experiment failed for some reasons but intellectual work is still active and some new forms will emerge soon.


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