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What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies?


OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #61
@jon357
Now to look at the original question, how can Russia become closer to Poland and the rest of the Weat.

The original question is What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies?
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #62
And Poland (part of the free west) needs to do nothing except make representations at the piece of excrement Putin's criminal trial at The Hague, accept an apology (with substantial financial compensation for Russia's crimes, and see its friend and neighbour Ukraine free again.

Plus bringing to trial any Poles who have been Russian agents, paid or otherwise.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #63
@jon357
There are some basics so obvious that they aren't even for discussion

Who said that? This is your personal opinion isn't it?

I would propose substantial financial compensation for Poland to cover the depredations from partition until 1989, for the Katyn Crime, the deportations to Siberia and the wartime mass rape of civilian women by the Russian army

You mean To bring to justice all the former Soviet republics, including Ukraine?
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #64
@jon357

Can I ask you, why do you always talk about Ukraine? you're Ukrainian?
Here we talk about Poland and Russia
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #65
This is your personal opinion isn't it?

This is a discussion forum, isn't it?

And yes, basics.

To bring to justice all the former Soviet republics,

Just the head of the snake, the heirs to the atrocities, the ones sitting in the same offices in the Kremlin. Like the piece of excrement Putin.

why do you always talk

There you go again. For a Putinist troll, you should try a bit harder.

So do you agree that removal of the criminal Putin from office and him answering to his crimes is a precursor to friendship with free poland?
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #66
@jon357 you're Ukrainian?

jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #67
No. No connection with it. Interesting you ask, since both Poland and Ukraine have been victimised by Russia over the years.

I answered your question, you answer mine:

So do you agree that removal of the criminal Putin from office and him answering to his crimes is a precursor to friendship with free Poland?

Ironside 48 | 9,902
20 Aug 2017 #68
@jon357 you're Ukrainian?

He is neither. No Polish and not Ukrainian. Anyway what is your point?
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #69
Still waiting, probably while Trzy Kola (certainly a very new recruit to the Putinist troll farm) asks his supervisor Vitaly what the official line is. If he gets it wrong, the whole family go to Kolyma.

I answered your question, you answer mine

OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #70
@jon357
I do not care who is there in the Kremlin, instead of Putin, there must be another, I think so, I'm interested in the opinion of simple Poles, how they are infatuated with Russians, that's all
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #71
there must be another

Another what? Another murderous, kleptocratic dictator?

simple Poles, how they are infatuated with Russians

I doubt anyone is 'infatuated with Russians', except maybe the less educated sort of Belarussian. The raped women of Berlin certainly aren't, nore are Poles. Or anyone else really.

Great though that you

do not care who is there in the Kremlin

Be careful who sees that, Trzy Kola, he has a habit of killing people who don't "fully endorse' his evil presidency.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #72
@Ironside
Anyway what is your point?

Hello, just would like to hear the opinion of the Poles

That was a first post
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #73
Anyone can see that themselves. Do you agree that Russia being run by a murderous, kleptocratic dictator like Putin might be a teensy-weensy stumbling block in the matter of any free country, Poland included, becoming closer to them?

Be careful with your answer - your supervisor Vitaly is loading his Makarov and a 4am taxi will be waiting outside your family's apartment.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #74
It looks like you watch too many James Bond movies))
I do not care 'cause i am not living in Russia, but its seems to be you are relly worried?
Bieganski 17 | 901
20 Aug 2017 #75
Russia should pay Poland reparations.

The case is clear.

The communist takeover in war-torn Poland only came about through Soviet-backing and communist rule in Poland continued to be controlled out of Moscow.

For decades Poland's economy was stymied, Poland's environment was severely damaged, and the overall wellbeing of Poles trapped behind the Iron Curtain was seriously harmed due to Soviet policies which were criminal, negligent, and imposed without the true consent of the Polish people.

Poles were also displaced, imprisoned, forced to perform slave labor as well as murdered by the Soviets.

The perpetrators are still alive and so are their descendants.
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #76
I do not care 'cause i am not living in Russia

Tell us more. Where are you living? Do you have a transmitter in the attic and a stilleto up your sleeve. But great that you:

do not care who is there in the Kremlin

For decades Poland's economy was stymied,

Yes. For longer even - Poland largely missed out on the Industrial Revolution, in those areas dominated by Russians.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #77
Do you agree that Russia

Calm down, you have some kind of mania about Putin, I already told you that I'm on the side of ordinary people and I'm not going to speak for the sake of anyone's interests.

I speak from myself!
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #78
you have some kind of mania

There you go again.

Putin

Impossible to mention Russia and ignore its murderous kleptocratic dictator. The removal of him, his cronies and the whole rotten system there would be an absolute precondition for any sort of 'friendship' with Russia.

I speak from myself!

Yeah, right. So where are you living?

Answer that one, as well as the question you quoted in the previous post.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #79
Yeah, right. So where are you living?

Do you have a pen and paper?)

In Europe
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #80
In Europe

That's a start. Now what about:

Do you agree that Russia being run by a murderous, kleptocratic dictator like Putin might be a teensy-weensy stumbling block in the matter of any free country, Poland included, becoming closer to them?

OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #81
You should go to Russia and ask there.

Where you from @jon357?
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #82
You should go to Russia and ask there.

I suspect there wouldn't be a straight answer - just as there isn't from you.

To cut a long story short, to have improved relations with Poland, Russia would have to do far more than it would ever be prepared to do.
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #83
It's strange, but here only you are crazy about Putin
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #84
We aren't talking about anything else other than what Russia has to do in order to make amends for its horrific crimes in Poland. Since you're interested, I'm from more than one place (none anywhere near Russia) and have lived in Poland probably longer than you've been alive and am a proud Polish Citizen.

So tell us, how important do you consider the massive financial reparations that Russia owes Poland, as well as releasing all information about the agents it runs there?

You should read this, and understand that not only is friendship a long way off, but also in order to even begin to normalise any relationship, Russia has a lot of amends to make:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
OP trzy kola 1 | 39
20 Aug 2017 #85
So tell us, how important do you consider the massive financial reparations that Russia owes Poland

I believe that in the relations between Poland and Russia, groups of specialists from both sides should be dealt with. Let them agree. I only know that there are many internal problems in Russia, such as corruption, etc. And also need to change a lot so that people can live normally.
jon357 63 | 14,255
20 Aug 2017 #86
there are many internal problems in Russia, such as corruption, etc. And also need to change a lot

That would be a very big step forward (and good that you acknowledge this); certainly one that will happen eventually with geo-political change and the end of petro-economy, however this is a long way ahead.

groups of specialists from both sides

I'm not sure that any new 'specialists' would shed any light onto facts that are very well documented already.

A huge apology, acknowlegement of crimes and huge financial compensation, all by Russia would need to be a starting point. Russia's crimes against Poland are not in any doubt.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
21 Aug 2017 #87
Do you think the Russians are enemies of the Polish people?

as for the monuments to Russian soldiers - Russian 'liberation' of Poland was just changing one opressive system to another - we didn't want communism - it was imposed by the Soviet army with the help of Polish renegades - this is why many in Poland view the monuments as an insult to Polish independence

as for the question if Poland should remain in the EU: Poland benefits from the EU membership so far, being part of the common European market still benefits Poland, but nothing is set in stone for ever - current pressure from the European commission on Poland to accept 'refugees' has changed the views on the EU in Poland a lot - I think current Polish leadership want us to remain in the EU but will fight tooth and nail not to accept 'refugees'
peterweg 36 | 2,316
21 Aug 2017 #88
Are you Russophobe?

That word doesn't exist outside of Russia.

The closest translation would be non-Russian, or anti-Fascist.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
15 Mar 2018 #89
Another great example of why Poles and Serbs will never be close.
Serbian apologist for Russia.
Crow 137 | 7,756
15 Mar 2018 #90
Oh, we are on the same side. And will be.

You better think what would happen to Poland if Russia collapse, if they got Russia. The next day, those with whom is Poland now in alliance, would grill Poland. Not that Russia is perfect but, simple, Russia hold the balance of existence of entire Slavic world now. Russia should be supported by Poles, same as we Serbians doing now. Helping to open enemies of all Slavs for sure isn`t my option.

We will all change for the batter. Its must. Progress. But first, we must secure survival.

historical

ah, its hysterical.


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