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Unemployed Poles in Ireland : a crash course in milking the system


RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #31
e when the kip delc[quote=Ironside]You are such a brainy dude that you cannot figure that one out for yourself?

Explain it to me....

I'll start complaining about people milking the system when they start jailing Bankers.

The republic is not your country. In fact, you dont even reside on this island so butt out of our affairs, nord.

so, pal, too many assumptions

I am not your pal and I suggest you look up the word "reference". I did not credit the moocher with that quote.

kthxbye
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #32
No. Some benefits are contributions based and others are income based.

I'm talking specifically about the Child Benefit. One needs to pay national insurance to be eligible for that, doesn't he?

You havent a clue, do you?

I don't. Why would I?

Just checked some random forums/articles for Polish people living abroad asking about child benefit and it seems that they claim benefits for children who live in Poland legally (both in Irish and British case). Isn't it like that?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #33
I'm talking specifically about the Child Benefit. One needs to pay national insurance to be eligible for that, doesn't he?

No. It is about the child, not the parent.

Just checked some random forums/articles for Polish people living abroad asking about child benefit and it seems that they claim benefits for children who live in Poland legally (both in Irish and British case). Isn't it like that?

This is one of the more contentious issues.
Barney 15 | 1,483
1 Feb 2012 #34
The republic is not your country. In fact, you dont even reside on this island so butt out of our affairs, nord.

Partitionists R us!!
Love the D4 Types
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #35
gumishu:
so, pal, too many assumptions

I am not your pal and I suggest you look up the word "reference". I did not credit the moocher with that quote.

I'm everyone's pal :P :) - you clearly quoted a passage from the article the OP has linked (dupków z Dublina) - actually you misquoted it because you haven't understood it (either because you google translated or because you believe you understand enough Polish while you actually don't) - so I have pasted the original passage and given you some decent translation which tells you you made wrong assumptions about what was being said or who said what - all right now??
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #36
No. It is about the child, not the parent.

The parent have to pay national insurance to claim child benefit for his/her child. Yes or no? I'm lost in translation.

This is one of the more contentious issues.

Can you say what is the object of contentious in that matter?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #37
Partitionists R us!!
Love the D4 Types

I am from Dublin 24.

Lived in the north during my childhood. Grew up in a pro-Republican household.

Non Dubs are simpletons.

I support Dublin independence.

I
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #38
a.k.:
Just checked some random forums/articles for Polish people living abroad asking about child benefit and it seems that they claim benefits for children who live in Poland legally (both in Irish and British case). Isn't it like that?

This is one of the more contentious issues.

if it weren't legal the UK law enforcement would put an end to that, don't you think? - it must be some EU law that mandates all member countries to pay child benefits to those residing (working?) in their territory regardless if the children in question are with their parents
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #39
You'd think so, but it isn't. Nothing to do with the EU - it's about certain benefits (usually connected with children) being transferable. Remember that the level of migration to the UK from other EU states was grossly underestimated.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #40
if it weren't legal the UK law enforcement would put an end to that, don't you think? - it must be some EU law that mandates all member countries to pay child benefits to those residing (working?) in their territory regardless if the children in question are with their parents

Every source I'm now reading is clearly saying that the Child Benefit is given to anyone who works in the UK regardless if his/her children live in the UK or abroad. The only limitation is that a person can not take a similar benefit in any other country in the same time (e.g. in Poland).
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #41
Nothing to do with the EU

I presume it is some EU law because it is the same thing for Poles working in the Netherlands and Germany as far as I know
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #42
Leave the EU.

Repatriate aliens without a blood connection to the nation.

Revoke citizenship awarded to aliens.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #43
I presume it is some EU law because it is the same thing for Poles working in the Netherlands and Germany as far as I know

It is an EU regulations!
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #44
Leave the EU.

and loose the whole IT sector in a couple of years - pretty wise? - do you think the EU will keep the free trade agreements with Ireland in that case? - do you think Dell, Hewlett Packard, Seagate, Pfizer and others will keep their factories in Ireland if they will be competed out of market because of higher prices due to duties on their products?
Wroclaw Boy
1 Feb 2012 #45
It shouldn't annoy you at all: imagine how much more the British taxpayer would have to fork out if those kids were actually in the UK.

Thats a fair point but the reason im annoyed is that i was not eligible for child benefit whilst i was living in Poland, even though i had paid NI my entire working life in the UK. The lines that were drawn were not fair for me - a British national born and bred.

Leave the EU.

Repatriate aliens without a blood connection to the nation.

Revoke citizenship awarded to aliens.

and lets revert back to living in caves.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #46
I presume it is some EU law because it is the same thing for Poles working in the Netherlands and Germany as far as I know

Each country sets their own policy - Germany and Holland have a similar rule to the UK; some others don't.

Thats a fair point but the reason im annoyed is that i was not eligible for child benefit whilst i was living in Poland, even though i had paid NI my entire working life in the UK. The lines that were drawn were not fair for me - a British national born and bred.

One good reason the system should be standardised EU-wide. Poland will be screaming for this when the time comes that there are plenty of old-age pensioners there who have paid their contributions in the UK. The Polish government will under the current agreement have to pay the British rate from their own treasury. There must be a few people (whether British or Polish) claiming their pension like this even now.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #47
and loose the whole IT sector in a couple of years - pretty wise? - do you think the EU will keep the free trade agreements with Ireland in that case? - do you think Dell, Hewlett Packard, Seagate, Pfizer and others will keep their factories in Ireland if they will be competed out of market because of higher prices due to duties on their products?

They will be gone soon either way.

They receive large tax breaks and mostly employ foreigners and internal migrants.

Not a single fcuk could I give about them.

Irish people should adopt a similar attitude to the Israelis.

Milk the famine a bit. Drone on and on about it and all the past ills bestowed on us.

Maybe coin a term like anti-gaelism.

Milk the Diaspora
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #48
The only limitation is that a person can not take a similar benefit in any other country in the same time (e.g. in Poland).

And of course the parent has to admit at the office when applying for the child benefit, that his/her children live abroad (it takes about a year of a waiting for the office to check if everything is alright and if a person whose children live abroad is eligible to recieve the child benefit for them).

So what's your grudge against Polish people, JohnnyM, if they follow the law and receive the benefits which they are entitled to?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #49
Milk the Diaspora

The've been doing that for decades.

it takes about a year of a waiting for the office to check if everything is alright and if a person whose children live abroad is eligible to recieve the child benefit for them

It takes nothing of the sort.

So what's your grudge against Polish people, JohnnyM, if they follow the law and receive the benefits which they are entitled to?

You might like to check out the meaning of 'grudge' in the dictionary.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #50
Each country sets their own policy - Germany and Holland have a similar rule to the UK; some others don't.

In a source I've read it's clearly stated that's an UE regulation.
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #51
Thats a fair point but the reason im annoyed is that i was not eligible for child benefit whilst i was living in Poland, even though i had paid NI my entire working life in the UK. The lines that were drawn were not fair for me - a British national born and bred.

it's simple Wrocław Boy - child benefit in Poland is only available to families whose income per capita is lower than some threshold (it's about 500 PLN now) - if you insisted that you should receive Polish child benefit even though your income was higher than that you woulud actually insist that you should be privildged in comparison to Polish citizens - Poles receiving child benefits are not legally priviledged against British citizens

btw Wrocław Boy - what is the fuss - child benefit in Poland is some 60 PLN a month per child (it's even 50 PLN per child younger than 5)
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #52
It takes nothing of the sort.

The person who was used as an example in a newspaper's article (a source I found for that discussion) was waiting about a year for that.

btw Wrocław Boy - what is the fuss - child benefit in Poland is some 60 PLN a month per child (it's even 50 PLN per child younger than 5)

He was upset that he could not get British Child Benefit (not Polish one) while living in Poland despite being a British citizen.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #53
The person who was used as an example in a newspaper's article (a source I found for that discussion) was waiting about a year for that.

In which case they were doing it wrong.

Though I wonder why you think that waiting time has any relevance.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #54
and lets revert back to living in caves.

Why do you say that?

The've been doing that for decades.

?
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #55
Though I wonder why you think that waiting time has any relevance.

sure it has - if you stay 5 years in England (and then leave for Poland) you lose out on one full year of child benefits (plenty of cash AFAIK)

but I don't say it is unfair - such things as whether an applicant really has children in Poland should be verified - simple as that
Ironside 51 | 11,339
1 Feb 2012 #56
I presume it is some EU law because it is the same thing for Poles working in the Netherlands and Germany as far as I know

Of course it is the EU law.
Wroclaw Boy
1 Feb 2012 #57
btw Wrocław Boy - what is the fuss - child benefit in Poland is some 60 PLN a month per child (it's even 50 PLN per child younger than 5)

I'm referring to UK child benefit, im not answering any more of these, ive had enough of that.

Why do you say that?

Because your whole send them back attitude is anti - human evolution. Its a small fix for a big problem, a problem that needs to be addressed if we are to evolve as a species.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #58
Though I wonder why you think that waiting time has any relevance.

Because in the article there were shown two cases of men claiming some benefits. One man reported at the office that his children and wife don't live in the UK while the other one didn't. The first had to wait about a year to receive benefits, the second one waited a month and was receiving the benefits for a few years. The latter had to return everything when the office decided to check if the declared by him informations were true. The first guy received the benefits backwards for the months he was waiting for decision and has nothing to worry about.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #59
Because in the article there were shown two cases of men claiming some benefits. One man reported at the office that his children and wife don't live in the UK while the other one didn't

I smell a rat.

The latter had to return everything when the office decided to check if the declared by him informations were true

And here it is.

Because your whole send them back attitude is anti - human evolution. Its a small fix for a big problem, a problem that needs to be addressed if we are to evolve as a species.

Exactly. People are not commodities.
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #60
gumishu:
btw Wrocław Boy - what is the fuss - child benefit in Poland is some 60 PLN a month per child (it's even 50 PLN per child younger than 5)

I'm referring to UK child benefit, im not answering any more of these, ive had enough of that.

sorry, then, I misunderstood you


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