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Unemployed Poles in Ireland : a crash course in milking the system


RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #61
Because your whole send them back attitude is anti - human evolution.

How so?
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #62
I smell a rat.

In the article it's said that he had poor English and he just mistakenly fill the aplication form incorrectly.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #63
Even though all information is available in Polish. Not that a 'mistake' in the form is a reason for someone to be forced by law to return the money!
Wroclaw Boy
1 Feb 2012 #64
How so?

my answer would be 100% wasted on you.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #65
Even though all information is available in Polish.

I don't know if they are. In the article the guy was filling them in English.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #66
I don't know if they are

You do now.

In the article the guy was filling them in English.

Another reason there is something dodgy in either his case, the article, or more probably both.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #67
Another reason there is something dodgy in either his case, the article, or more probably both.

Why both?
Wroclaw Boy
1 Feb 2012 #68
I don't know if they are.

They are in the UK, everything at the Jobcentre is in Polish, i know this because i was there a few months ago applying for a National Insurance number for my Polish brother in law.
gumishu 11 | 5,993
1 Feb 2012 #69
a.k.:
In the article it's said that he had poor English and he just mistakenly fill the aplication form incorrectly.

Even though all information is available in Polish. Not that a 'mistake' in the form is a reason for someone to be forced by law to return the money!

you mean the UK, Poland or EU grant applications?? :)
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #70
everything at the Jobcentre is in Polish

Does the Jobcenter give tax credits or child benefits?

Another reason there is something dodgy in either his case, the article

the article I've read is from "Dziennik Polski" the title of it is: "ZasiƂek na dzieci (Child Tax Credit) - mity i fakty"

As the title says it's mostly about tax credit but there is mentioned the Child Benefit too.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #71
"Dziennik Polski"

Says it all, really.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #72
Something's wrong with that newspaper?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #73
Not exactly a respected journal of record, however that's by the by. Do you swallow their account of the situation without question, especially when the facts don't add up?
Ironside 51 | 11,339
1 Feb 2012 #74
Something's wrong with that newspaper?

it must be Polski in the title :)
Anyway is all off-topic
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #75
Do you swallow their account of the situation without question, especially when the facts don't add up?

I don't know that journal. It's some British Polonia's newspaper with very long history... but how can I know them, I don't live in Britain, as I've already said.

As for the object of discussion (the British child benefit allowed for children who live in Poland) this information is confirmed on every site I've visited. What facts don't add up then?
Wroclaw Boy
1 Feb 2012 #76
Does the Jobcenter give tax credits or child benefits?

Jeeze mate you know more about benefits and British state handouts than i do, youre most certainly right the job centre does not, its the Inland revenue.

Silly me
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #77
Well, the problem is I don't. Nobody here knows, yet we all argue :)
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #78
What facts don't add up then?

All of them, not that they're 'facts' in the first place. You claim he made a 'mistake' on the form and had to repay the money, based on something you've read about a country you've never been to in an online rag and various websites. LOL

Perhaps you ought to acquaint yourself with the procedures involved in forcing someone to hand back benefits!

Nobody here knows

Some of us do.

yet we all argue

No. You argue, pathologically even.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #79
You claim he made a 'mistake'

I don't claim. I said that the man in the newspaper claims. Please restrain from using "lols" and other disrespectful signs!

Perhaps you ought to acquaint yourself with the procedures involved in forcing someone to hand back benefits!

I don't have time for that. You on the other hand, since you know Polsh very well, might read the article to resolve your doubts. There is explained what he has misunderstood and why he has to return all money.

No. You argue, pathologically even.

I think you are completely misinterpreting what I write and the vein of my comments.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #80
This country is fooking bonkers. A bankrupt wind swept rock on the west of europe paying foreigners a couple of hundred each week "to find themselves". You couldnt make this sort of sh@t up.

If there is alien life form out there, why travel all the way to visit us here on earth? It would be the equivalent of driving 1,000 miles to visit a mental hospital.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #81
I think you are completely misinterpreting what I write and the vein of my comments.

There's a fine line between being gently argumentative and outright trolling. I fear you have long crossed it.

You on the other hand, since you know Polsh very well, might read the article to resolve your doubts.

No need at all - I'm very familiar with the way the system works and don't need to read an overseas website in which some guy claims he had to pay back all his benefits due to a 'mistake' on a form some time previously.

There is explained what he has misunderstood and why he has to return all money.

Interesting it doesn't mention how difficult it is and what checks are in place concerning repayments.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #82
There's a fine line between being gently argumentative and outright trolling. I fear you have long crossed it.

I have no idea what are you talking about. Can you provide eny examples of me "trolling"? I have strange impression that the only reason you don't like me is that I'm good at giving arguments in discussion and we were recently on the opposite sides of veiws I guess. Now you're turning it on personal level, accusing me of being a troll, only because you was proven to be wrong.

an overseas website

It's a website of a newspaper which was established in 1940. The newspaper has both Polish and English wikipedia entries. From the Polish entry one can read about rich history of the title and that it's supported by General Concul of Poland and a Polish Embassy in London. I have never read it before so I have no idea about the quality of informations, however You seems to know it. Does it mean you are a member of the British Polonia?

Interesting it doesn't mention how difficult it is

You mean how difficult is to check if someone didn't tell the truth in the application? Actually they did write that the guy was later asked to provide the infotmations what schools his children attend, etc. and that's how it all came into light. The whole thing was about that the guy didn't fill his wife's data into the aplication and he was taken for a single parent raising his children in the UK. Isn't that enough to claim back all the benfits?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #83
I have no idea what are you talking about. Can you provide eny examples of me "trolling"?

There are not enough hours in the day to list even a few.

accusing me of being a troll, only because you was proven to be wrong.

Actually I was proven right.

It's a website of a newspaper which was established in 1940. The newspaper has both Polish and English wikipedia entries

This is not any indication of quality or accuracy. And you are going off topic.

I mean how difficult it is to force someone to repay benefit, as I earlier (very clearly) stated. The procedure is enforced through legal process. The Polish guy tried to defraud the system and steal from the taxpayer and fell foul of the law. You have been proved wrong, so stop floundering and admit the guy was, as the thread title says, 'milking the system'.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #84
The Polish guy tried to defraud the system and steal from the taxpayer and fell foul of the law.

Ok, maybe. I don't know that.

You have been proved wrong, so stop floundering and admit the guy was, as the thread title says, 'milking the system'.

I am not saying he wasn't. I was merely saying what the paper was saying. Is it really so hard to recognize between the two?!

Her are proves:

In the article it's said that he had poor English and he just mistakenly fill the aplication form incorrectly.

I don't know if they are.In the article the guy was filling them in English.

You see "in the article"!!! Now you should apologize me.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #85
Ok, maybe. I don't know that.

Somehow I expected a reply ;-)

He was in fact defrauding the system. Check out the procedure for enforcing repayments - a genuine mistake is not enough. And he did, after all pretend he was single.

No 'proves' and as mentioned before, all information pertaining to the forms and claims procedure are available in Polish. The guy was a benefit cheat.
a.k.
1 Feb 2012 #86
Ok, no need to be angry on me!
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
1 Feb 2012 #87
No anger ;-)

One problem is that a lot of people slip through the benefits net in two very different ways. One way is those who claim money to which they're not entitled and get away with it, the other is people who are in genuine hardship but aren't entitled to claim for whatever reason. One sad thing is that the system penalises those who have small savings and rewards the feckless. Regardless of nationality.
Ironside 51 | 11,339
1 Feb 2012 #88
And you are going off topic

Actually discussion about the UK benefits is off-topic !
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
1 Feb 2012 #89
According to Deutsche Welle Poles work 3rd longest hours in the EU with almost 2000 hours. Second are Hungarians with 2021 hours and first are Romanians with 2095 hours.

Poles work longer hours than the Germans. The most hardworking of the European Union are Romanians and Finns have much time off from work. It's the latest results of economic research in France.

Research conducted by the Paris Institute of Economic Research Coe-Rexecode showed that Poles during 2010 worked an average of almost 2000 hours. Thus, there are third in the list of the most industrious Europeans.

Poles ahead of Hungarians who work spent an average of 2021 hours. In contrast, the longest worked in Romania, an average of 2095 hours

dw-world
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
1 Feb 2012 #90
According to Deutsche Welle Poles work 3rd longest hours in the EU with almost 2000 hours. Second are Hungarians with 2021 hours and first are Romanians with 2095 hours.

Probably tempted to join magda on the beach.


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