Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?!

Victims or criminals? These two are criminals, having been convicted of murder today.

Agnieszka Kalinowska and Andrzej Latosewski murdered Kalinowska's son by extreme and prolonged cruelty. Apparently Latoszewski used to insist he called him mister or sir (I assume 'Pan') which seems sick in itself. They tried to pretend his multiple broken ribs were "acceptable discipline". The judge apologised to the jury for making them watch the harrowing CCTV footage of them doing it.

They will be sentenced in October and will both receive life which is the only possible sentence for murder.
theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/22/woman-and-partner-guilty-murder-15-year-old-son-sebastian-kalinowski

"Seems"? You are not sure?
Yes, that Polish "Pan" is sick under all conditions.

Did I say that? Seems is a broad word.

I heard that in America some men expect their kids to call them 'sir' for whatever reason. Presumably the women in those families expect 'madam'.

I doubt their kids are often beaten with a bed slat, whipped with an extension cable and stabbed with a needle though.

Hard to know how people can do that. Looking at the photos, alcohol may have played a part.

And it was all recorded on cctv which is strange enough in itself.

Most American youngsters I have met always referred to me as "Sir", very polite and the same as "Pan".

It seems to be a thing there.

I've never heard of anyone here in Poland expecting their kids to call them Pan though; that just seems like messing with the kid's head.

@jon357, yeah, parents don't expect their kids to call them like that here - in Poland it would be viewed as messed up.

In the past kids would call their parents "pani matka" (madame mother) and "pan ojciec" (sir father), but even then it depended on the family, it seems. For example, Chopin referred to his mother and father as "Mama" and "Papa".

Yes, but he was half French. :-)

@Miloslaw, yes, but he was raised in Poland and his mother was Polish :)
And check this thread out:

historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=107960

Sebastian Prokop, age 24, jailed for arson at a nightclub.

Only 5 years. It's likely that the Unduly Lenient Sentences Act will be used to increase that. The news reports don't indicate if alcohol or drugs were involved, however he appears to have entered the nightclub with the intention of burning it and killing people.

The reports suggest that it was either a hate crime, or something about his own neuroses.

bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-62662938

Sebastian Kalinowski - murdered by scumbags

That's mentioned above.

Sheer evil to hurt a child like that.

And a weird thing is that a lot of the cruelty was captured by CCTV camera.

Is there some kind of criminal records?

What do you mean?

oh er yes i see you mentioned SK above - should have read the thread.

that poor kid, he was so slight and delicate looking. just wtaf.

Hard to imagine anyone doing that to s kid, however there are some sick people out there.

Looking at the mother and stepfather's faces i suspect there's serious alcoholism involved.

Hmm, victims or criminals.

That or drugs.
Both cause so many societal problems.

The Kalinowski parents are criminals as is Prokop.


Yes. A good servant but a bad master. Both involved in a lot of crimes, especially booze and violence.

First of all what they were doing to that kid would suggest serious psychopathy, imho. Alcohol only triggers what's inside you already, I think.

Perhaps yes. It seems to intensify negative traits in some people.

I can only hope that 99,99% of Polish immigrants in the UK are very normal people.

@jon357
That's correct, brain cells and connection with those who keep strong memories of unleashing negative/positive behaviour keeps most people in check from repeating certain pattern of behaviour.

Alcohol not only dozes senses but, also wakes up the more emotional side of a person and cuts ties to memory. Which is why many drink to forget or feel better

Yes.

And more than that, chronic alcoholism (and chronic use of some drugs like amphetamines) permanently changes the structure of the brain. We've all seen people like that.

I don`t know who Wozzy is except for the fact this person is apparently very helpful. How on earth can I find out more information about my Polish biological father from when he left Poland after the war. I know he lived in the London area and somehow ended up in Glasgow. How would he have travelled from Poland and how can I find any information on him once he arrived in England? I only know his name and date of birth. By all accounts he was very secretive about his past. Many thanks in advance to anyone that reads this and could be of assistance

who is Wozzy? what are you on about?

you look on ancestry.com and get a copy of his death cert, for a start. that will tell you all kinds of stuff, residence at time of death, place of birth etc.

Maybe I`ve posted on the wrong thread, no need to be so rude! Do you not think I`ve done all that already! And it really isn`t as simple as you make it sound. Have a good day

ok so you can work on that last known address and other crumbs of information.
I have also done this for a mysterious grandparent.
Once you have looked at a few documents and checked ancestry for births, deaths, marriages you will have some names that you can take to facebook.

possibly with a leap of logic and some guesswork.
my brother and i found all kinds of living relatives right there on facebook! with their profiles wide open. Its amazing... you can google peoples names, and photos of them dancing the can can come up I swear.

i can look at records held by companies house and find out all sorts of stuff, addresses, names all kinds...
you have to become your own private detective.

good luck , didnt mean to sound so rude xx

He killed himself in 1976, I have found my half sister and she is as much in the dark as I am and she lived with him! I have spent hours and hours searching believe me. We just can`t find anything on him in Poland and when he first came to the UK 1940/1950`s. He also changed his name to an English sounding name when he moved here. I have tried every avenue. I have already joined Ancestry, MyHeritage and 23andMe. Looked on endless sites eg Family Search etc. There was no birth certificate amongst his belongings after he died. He has always been a mystery in life as in death. Never mind, was just a long shot to try on here but I definitely saw the name Wozzy on this site and how helpful this person is lol

there is a difference depending on a year he came to the uk. 1940 - 45 or 1946 - 50.

my apologies for being so rude xx i am racking my brains...