Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland.

Din't you notice that was a question?


Most families gave up 'hunting' as soon as a more convenient food supply chain appeared...


Do people pose grinning with dead worms and voles? Or buy magazines about it?

As I say, 'hunters' usually have small d1cks.

@PolAmKrakow (and others), for me personally my problem with hunting is not the fact that an animal is getting killed, because that's normal in nature - predators kill their prey in order to have something to eat - in order to survive.

For the same reason I'm not judging people eating meat, because that's a bit like judging a tiger for eating his food, which would be silly.

People who hunt for food or forestmen who kill off sick animals or whatever don't bother me. It's people who hunt for "sport" or "fun" that bother me. People who don't have to, but CHOOSE to kill for fun. And don't tell me that it's not the killing that they enjoy - because killing the animal is the goal of hunting. And it's usually killing an animal that can only run away and that won't shoot back at you, which makes it just more disgusting and pathetic in a way...

I realise that there are people who were brought up like this, that their fathers taught them hunting since they were teens or kids even, probably mainly in the countryside in the US. They got used to it and they view it as normal, just the way my countryside grandma views beheading a rooster as a normal way of getting food.

I never asked how she felt about killing animals she had since they were little. I'm guessing that she simply got used to that, just like majority of farmers, I guess. I do think that it decreases the level of empathy of people living in the countryside that they have for both wild and farm animals (that's what I've observed, at least), but that's a subject for another discussion.

However, I've never noticed my grandma being "elated" about killing her farm animals. The only thing she was "elated" about was the fact that we're going to have a good chicken soup lol

But notice that in our discussion in Random PrzelotnyPtak didn't write that he's hunting for food or to control the deer population - that it simply has to be done. He wrote that he feels "elated" about it and was writing some bullsh1t about feeling close to nature and God.

And as far I remember you wrote about killing an animal being "self-cleansing"?? WTF???

So, my problem is with people who want and choose to kill animals PERSONALLY, who want to take life with their own hands, even though they don't have to and they ENJOY it. And they must ENJOY it, because they wouldn't be doing it, if they didn't enjoy it. It's not like anyone is forcing them to put a bullet or an arrow into an animal.


So what "meaning" are you giving to killing a bear? You can eat deer, rabbit, pheasant, etc., but what's the point of killing a bear nowadays?


Exactly...

@jon357
Yes, I noticed it was a question. And you seem to have an obsession with comparing d1cks. Of course you do not know much about North American families. Take your opinions outside of the cities in the USA and you will find a lot of resistance. Voice them anywhere in Canada and you could get into a fight. In Europe yes, it is less prevalent. It has usually been an activity reserved for the wealthy and controlled by the land owners. So of course the supermarket viewpoint is more common here, but it does not make it right or wrong.

Yes. I see magazines with vegans smiling and posing with their fruits and veg. They choose to leave out all the animals that died to produce them. Just because something is unseen or unpublished does not mean it does not exist. Animal rights activists, and antihunting people need to get a grip on themselves in general. Most are not equipped to discuss these kinds of uncomfortable facts. But they sure enjoy their impossible burgers.

Because 'hunters', 'libertarians' and 'performance car' owners almost invariably have pretty little cocklets that are comically small. We all like a good laugh. Fashion models often joke about the short guys with sports cars who want to date them.


Irrelevant to Poland. Not that most 'North American families' go hunting. Most buy their food at the shops rather than creep around in the woods skinning things and feeling 'self-cleansed' or 'elated'.


That is unavoidable, 'Hunting' is avoidable.

For the most part newly acquired patterns of human behavior do not replace human drives, they sit on top of them... a more stable food supply did not eliminate the drives behind hunting and so recreational hunting is a thing and trying to legislate it out of existence just means those drives will be expressed elsewhere... (in probably less healthy ways)


I won't even ask how you came in possession of such knowledge....

How about those "uncomfortable facts" that I raised in my comment #67?:

https://polishforums.com/travel/poland-poles-like-hunt-hunting-50176/3/#msg1890209

Could you respond to it?


I don't advocate for it to be legislated out of existence for the reason that you mentioned - it's better that they kill animals "for fun", rather than people. It doesn't mean though that I have to like it and that I have to like people who are hunting for "fun" and feel "elated" or "self-cleansed" (gross!) while doing so.


You can do that by going to the shooting range, playing paintball or camping in the mountains if you want contact with nature. None of that involves killing.

Actually, as I understand it, it's not 'fun' that hunters are after...


And that's why your alternatives don't work - hunting fills primal instincts that other alternatives lack...

You could say that women can fill their drive for motherhood by taking care of baby dolls - which don't involve producing carbon consuming people....

@ maf
Nice comparison, bringing new life vs taking a life...

You get married and then dream of single pseudo-macho life style? You are really inconsistent. Amasing.


I didn`t mean your wife personally, but generally most wives of hunters. Stop taking it so personal when it isn`t.

both are biologically based drives without which humans would not exist... it's just that one is idealized and the other is demonized....

What are those 'drives'?


Me too. There is a case for wildlife management and sadly that can involve culling deer, wild boar and badgers. As I've said though, that's best left to the professionals. If people want to shoot things, isn't clay pigeon shooting enough? Nothing gets killed, it's a chance to make bangs and it involves skill.

Although I'm not a veggie, I still do think that in centuries to come people will view the people from our period as barbaric for eating dead animals; something unneccesary for anyone in the developed world.


Hard practice.

@mafketis, I don't think it's the same. Majority of women get maternal instincts sooner or later, majority of them want to have kids. Majority of men sooner or later want to have kids too. However, I haven't noticed majority of people (including men) being into hunting. Many men like or love animals and don't want to hurt them, let alone kill them. My father can't even kill a carp for a Christmas Eve dinner and that's "just" a fish. There are many fishermen, btw, who catch fish and then they let them go back into the water.


Human societies somehow rather eagerly resigned from this primal instinct by turning to farming pretty early on.


That's because giving life is seen by humans as something positive and taking life as something neither good nor pleasant. It isn't seen as something negative if it's a necessity, but when someone is enjoying it then you wonder what is wrong with that person...

How does a bear taste??


Yes.

@PolAm


Yes, the definition of a vegan is a lousy hunter.


It is one of his Baiting tactics to hunt new fresh meat with.
In highschool I had a girlfriend that could gut and skin a deer in thirty minutes and as soon as the heart and liver cooled in the snowbank she would have them on the stove cooking with scallions and garlic.


Bear is a very deep red meat and yes gamey tasting.
Depends on what a bear has been eating.
If he lived in the wild he is good to eat.
If he lived around a garbage dump and ate dump food I wouldn't eat him.

@Paulina
Killing a bear is just as much for food as any other animal. While I personally did not like the flavor, and found it gamey and greasy, other family members did like it. I donated 150lbs of bear meat to my local Native American tribe as well and they really appreciated it. Wasting meat, store bought or killed wild, is something that should never happen. It happens in massive amounts around the world, particularly in developed countries where hunting is so limited. Because they can always go back to the store and buy more.

The hunting mentality is about being in nature. I have had at least 20 hunts where I did not kill an animal for every one hunt that I did. But, I was grateful for being out in nature, enjoying the quiet, the stillness and all the other things you can get out of the experience. I have friends, while vegetarian still go hunting, and they replace the weapon with a camera. Still getting the same experience and enjoyment.

I said before, I do not support hunting for sport or trophies.

described in #52... finding food, protecting the group, creating group cohesion, achieving status


some aspects of those drives are funnelled into other areas.... why do some men love maps? (I've known very few women who get into them). It's theorize that a lot of features of high-functioning autism (kind of extreme male brain) are related to hunting, autistic men obsess about things like walking tip toe, jumping over things and setting traps...

lots of men who hunt the first time talk about a kind of endorphine rush or high at their first kill...


hunting wasn't replaced by farming but by animal husbandry... farming is an update of foraging (same idea - take control of the food source from the beginning to harvest).

The market, paying taxes for an army, having friends and doing voluntary work, doing well at work or in life generally.

Most people do these things without stalking, killing and skinning a wild animal.


They probably slung it and went for a Big Mac.

From what I heard it's usually girls that are High functioning autistics...

That`s good.
And I wouldn`t ban hunting. If there is a referendum one day, I will vote for people`s free choice.

Ptak, you can come to Poland to hunt and I won`t kick you out. :):):)

It is only hunters` mentality which bothers me. If one of them tried to make friends with me, like a real one, you know, I suppose I wouldn`t be able to get rid of that feeling of suspicion and even distrust towards him/her.

not good for them if they did.... properly prepared wild game is a lot healthier than junk food (and Amerindians have the highest prevalance of diabetes in the world).


on the autism close hunting connection (close hunting - solitary tracking of animals very different from confrontational hunting (getting a group of guys to run ungulates off a cliff or spear a mastodon...)

sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110603122849.htm

@jon357
"They probably slung it and went for a Big Mac." You not only show your ignorance in that statement, but a latent racism. The tribal leaders in the area I still maintain a home in the US, are very well grounded people. The hunting community in this area has a group that donate meat to poor families in rural communities. That, is the true nature of most people who hunt, providers. People who only want to go down to the local supermarket are "takers". It's ok, providers do not discriminate when people are hungry. Lets hope that does not change due to circumstances around the world beyond our control. We are all only one nutcase away from being a hunting and gathering society once again.

Shania Twain (whose adopted father was Ojibwa) has talked in interviews about being the recipient of American food distribution as a child (including game meat) and was very grateful for it.

Some of the writers here, no PF, are totally dic*cless. Did you check yourself in the mirror today?:::))) Scientifically proven fact Hunters go deeper in the bush:::)))


Hey, You are free to do as you please, so do avoid it; no hunter will try to force you to carry a firearm. Do you recognize blatant hypocrisy on your part?

Not a hard decision; most of the developed world avoid it.


Sad that a country with such a high GDP so many billionaires still has 'poor families'.

At least the healthcare is free.

Look at yourself, and hypocrisy is the area you are comfortable with. Using your own words, there are better ways to live your life.

Like not killing animals to feel 'elated' or 'self-whatevered'...

He prefers to hang out with ass holes.
Meanwhile Hunters like us Ptak make the best lovers because we go deep in the bush, shoot more than once, and eat what we shoot. :-)

In other words, the developed world is where hunting is available to elites only and so highly regulated that it is not worth trying.
So you can divide the world into a few groups. Foaming-at-the-mouth fanatics who know better(actually know very little).Brainless followers
and happy, privileged people with access to hunting. And least the group of howling pork veal and poultry eating HYPOCRYTS
and rapidly morphing into Szczelec, Paw.uote=jon357]developed world, always so.[/quote]

Is unnecessary.

Wrong. One fox can eat around 60 hares every year. If the fox population is not controlled by the hunters, then all the lovely hares will disappear in a decade or so. Is that what you want? The extinction of all the cuddly, sweet hares? You monster!