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Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland.


PolAmKrakow 3 | 831
30 Dec 2022 #31
@jon357
You have no fvcking clue. Growing veg and hunting is nothing but natural. But keep going to the grocery store where everything is manipulated genetically. Chaining up animals until slaughter is so much more cruel than hunting its not even worth discussing.

Please be civil in these threads, everyone should have an opinion without being abused
pawian 224 | 24574
30 Dec 2022 #32
And gave up when I found that they

As a boy, I tried fishing, that was innocent play without any catches. I decided to revive it as a mature man during one summer. I got professional equipment and all permissions. I caught my first fish and regretted it immediately when I saw it lying on the planks of the fishing pier, scared and helpless. Other anglers who were on the pier congratulated me on my catch, but I felt awful. I packed my stuff and went back to the tent.
jon357 74 | 22830
30 Dec 2022 #33
You have no fvcking clue.

Mind your manners and your language..

hunting is nothing but natural

Killing things yourself is entirely unnatural and primitive. This is why the overwhelming majority of people avoid it.

Chaining up animals until slaughter is so much more cruel than hunting

Most farmed meat is not 'chained up' (unless you buy nasty cheap meat farmed using American low standards), however hunting is not a necessity; it is a 'hobby'. And your description of butchering an animal as 'soul-cleansing' is simply macabre.

BTW, genetically modified food is an important part of our food chain, and a good one.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 353
30 Dec 2022 #34
That's what hunting is. Buy your meat at a butcher's shop or a supermarket instead.

There you go again, stepping into the do-do. It is illegal to sell venison in Michigan. It is for private consumption. Besides, how did the meat miraculously appear in the store without the killing involved?
jon357 74 | 22830
30 Dec 2022 #35
It is illegal to sell venison in Michigan

Not in most places in the world. You can get it at my local supermarket.

And of course it's hardly an essential food item.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 353
30 Dec 2022 #36
Chaining up animals until slaughter is so much more cruel than hunting its not even worth discussing.

Nothing to add or subtract. You hit the nail on the head

BTW, genetically modified food is an important part of our food chain, and a good one.

Scientifically proven fact, children's brains need meat to develop properly. It looks like many PFposters were deprived of proper amounts of meat in their childhood:::)))
jon357 74 | 22830
30 Dec 2022 #37
Scientifically proven fact,

It isn't though, is it now. And of course there's no need for anyone in the developed world to a. own a gun and b. kill animals with one.

children's brains need meat to develop properly.

They don't; unless you think that children from Indian families have brains that aren't 'developing properly'

It looks like many PFposters were deprived

Perhaps that explains why you feel 'elated' and our felon feels 'soul-cleansed' while killing animals.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 353
30 Dec 2022 #38
Killing things yourself is entirely unnatural and primitive. This is why the overwhelming majority of people avoid it.

No, Jon, In Poland, I suspect the rest of Europe is almost impossible to get a hunting license. However, in the USA, anybody can get a hunting license at a reasonable price.

In Poland, hunting is for the elites, meaningful hunting anyways.
jon357 74 | 22830
30 Dec 2022 #39
in the USA,

An irrelevance.

In Poland, hunting is for the elites

It isn't. It's a way for poor people to supplement their diet and for sick people to feel "elation" or "soul-cleansing" when they kill animals.
pawian 224 | 24574
30 Dec 2022 #40
Millions of hunts take place every year without actually killing.

No. Wounding the animal with a missed arrow from your bow equals killing - the deer runs away in panic and dies of its wound in the deep forest where you can`t find it.

I owe no explanation to the people

Yes. :):) Especially that your explanations incriminate you even more. :):):) E..g, when you write about that sick elation.

early morning travel, being amongst friends, pitching the tent, starting the fire, endless card games, excessive drinking,

Yes, all this without wives as you said a few times somewhere else. The truth is you want to get away from your boring family life and your ugly stupid fat wife, that is why you go on your hunting trips. But why should innocent animals pay with their lives only because you couldn`t find yourself a prettier and cleverer woman??? It is your fekking problem, leave the deer alone!!!

I have a frequent contact with hunters through my private lessons - most of their wives are ugly bitcches, indeed, who holler all over the house even when I am in. :):):) Now I am not sure who I should pity more - hunted animals or hunters. :):):)
Przelotnyptak1 - | 353
30 Dec 2022 #41
It isn't though, is it now. to a. own a gun and b. kill animals with one.

Jon, I say pffffff!!!! to your imaginary rule::::))))

elation" or "soul-cleansing" when they kill animals.

How often do you need to be corrected to get the elation right? Not enough meat in your childhood, Jon?

about that sick elation.

Were you or Jon more deprived of meat in childhood? I give you an elegant explanation to get the same stupid, repetitive question in return.

and your ugly stupid fat wife, that is why you go on your hunting trips.

I suspected you are a rude and coarse and uncouth individual but keep my wife out of your sewer-infected mind.
amiga500 4 | 1510
31 Dec 2022 #42
Killing things yourself is entirely unnatural and primitive. This is why the overwhelming majority of people avoid it.

It's actually more moral and natural to kill your own food, than to whistle nothing to see hear, and let the proleteriat do the nasty work for you at the slaughterhouse. if you want to get on your high horse at least claim to be a vegetarian first.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 353
31 Dec 2022 #43
hunter shot an animal but not well enough and it survived for hours in pain.

What prevented you from ending the animal suffering? Or you enjoyed the spectacle? It never happened. If wounded but not fatally, deer usually run towards water and get submerged to stop bleeding. Badly wounded will run until death. Never heard of the scenario you described, and I witnessed hundreds of deer in many different situations-Unique, magnificent animals. I feed them and observe them every day from my deck.

the deep forest where you can`t find it.

But I do find them. I was asked to help track wounded deer for many hours in a few instances couple of days. It is a gift, a blessing; I know the hunter with the tracking dog in the worst-case scenario.
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #44
I have a frequent contact with hunters through my private lessons

I have a friend who hunts. A nice guy (though not very clever). The thing about him that stands out (or rather doesn't...) is that he's woefully under-endowed in the trouser department. That is certainly why he wants to be 'elated' or 'soul cleansed' by killing something furry or feathered that frankly doesn't even taste nice.

He has a big, fast car too.

What prevented you from ending the animal suffering?

Nothing. I had to finish off what the 'elated' and 'soul-cleansed' hunter didn't do.
PolAmKrakow 3 | 831
31 Dec 2022 #45
Hunting is primitive, yes. People who hunt are not, there is zero correlation between primitive thinking and behavior. Theodore Roosevelt one of the US greatest and most intelligent Presidents was an avid hunter. In the US, hunting is tradition. In Poland it is as well. People who complain about hunters and hunting, in most cases could not survive without other people doing the hunting and gathering for them. Plastic wrap and nice lighting is not what life is all about. Concealing all the steroids and hormones used in all the food in your grocery store is part of an epidemic that is changing the genetics of children. Early onset puberty is just one example. It is a medical fact that people who eat food that is not as processed as what we find in most supermarkets are healthier in general. Why would anyone not want to live a healthier life and live longer because of it?
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #46
Theodore Roosevelt

1858-1919

It is a medical fact that people who eat food that

So people who kill animals for fun never go to the supermarket too then?

in most cases could not survive without other people doing the hunting and gathering for them

Most people who take a sh1t couldn't survive without other people building toilets and sewers for them. Your point is?

And male 'hunters' still mostly have inadequately small genitals.

Does the evil person in the picture feel 'elated' or 'self-cleansed'?



mafketis 37 | 10943
31 Dec 2022 #47
Hunting is primitive, yes.

Hunting is part of what makes human.... human. It's a very deeply ingrained in the human psyche (especially the male psyche). There are several traditional types of hunting....

food (self explanatory)

defense (taking out other predators to reduce competition and to protect other members of the group)

display (showing off to other men and more specifically to women to advertise one's status as a desirable mate)

There might be others as well... in the modern world a lot of hunting is based on species nostalgia (for lack of a better word) it's also a chance for a type of male-bonding (important for maintaining a healthy society)

The nature of hunting as is why progressives hate it and conservatives supposedly support it (though this support is kind of wrongheaded and buffoonish).

Getting back to the original question - a few years ago I had a student who worked part-time as a local hunting.... interpreter, fixer (she didn't hunt but helped visiting hunters (many from Netherlands) deal with local regulations and authorities and paperwork. She said she really disliked it at first but came to respect it.

Weirdly one of the most commonly hunted animals in Poland (this was in the Kielce area IIRC) is the jenot (or raccoon dog - an animal I'd never heard of before).

Another student (female) became a hunter (an official title) those this is also involved a certain amount of service in the forest (being a licensed hunter in Poland also means being a conservationist).
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #48
display (showing off to other men and more specifically to women to advertise one's status as a desirable mate)

As I say, for the weak and under-endowed. Like overly-large cars...

Do they feel 'elated' or 'self-cleansed'?









mafketis 37 | 10943
31 Dec 2022 #49
feel 'elated' or 'self-cleansed'?

you can fight nature.... but nature will win in the end.....
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #50
Yes. I always feel wistful when a 'hunter' is eaten or gored by an animal they thought they'd kill.

An interesting article here about the psychology of people who kill animals for fun:
phys.org/news/2022-02-psychology-trophy-people-animals-sport.html
mafketis 37 | 10943
31 Dec 2022 #51
wistful when a 'hunter' is eaten or gored by an animal they thought they'd kill.

An opinion only made possible by complete alienation from the processes of life and death.

Hunting is a _drive_ part of human nature. No one yet has been able to actually change human nature.
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #52
complete alienation from the processes of life and death.

You're speaking to someone who grew up on a farm and here in Africa eats things that were alive half an hour before pretty well daily...

Hunting is a _drive_ part of human nature.

For psychopaths maybe. Other humans only did/do it out of necessity. That necessity does not exist in the developed world.

'Hunting' is not a sport. Nor is bullfighting, cockfighting, badger baiting or dog fighting.
mafketis 37 | 10943
31 Dec 2022 #53
That necessity does not exist in the developed world

Not all necessities are physical....
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #54
Indeed. Some sociopaths have a 'necessity' to torture animals and children. Some paedophiles have a 'necesity' to sexually abuse children. Some psychopaths have a 'necessity' to accumulate power and wealth at the expense of others.

Most of humanity however doesn't.
PolAmKrakow 3 | 831
31 Dec 2022 #55
@jon357
The overall majority of people do not hunt for sport or have fun killing. You do not understand what hunting is. It has very little to do with taking a life. I am not even going to waste my time trying to explain it to you because you will only try to twist things.
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #56
The overall majority of people do not hunt for sport or have fun killing

The overall majority of people do not 'hunt' at all.

You do not understand what hunting is.

I do and have done it.

you will only try to twist things.

A cop out.
PolAmKrakow 3 | 831
31 Dec 2022 #57
@jon357
You are correct, the majority do not hunt. It is not a tradition for them. Most hunters in fact do not kill because most are unsuccessful out in the field. Yet, they were still hunting and enjoying being in the outdoors. I have had many more unsuccessful hunts than successful ones. Yet with each harvest of an animal, there is a sense of understanding that you took a life and that it must be given meaning and used in an appropriate manner. I have taken Bear, Deer, Grouse, Pheasant, Chucker, and Rabit.

All ethically, and all cleanly. All used in an appropriate manner. Hunting for sport or trophies is not something I support. Ethical hunting I support completely.

You can say what you want about hunting, but until you visit a beef slaughter house you have no idea what butchery is. Until you visit a chicken farm, or a pig farm you are just talking out of your a$$. Those places, where you get your nicely packaged parts are the unethical mass production facilities.
mafketis 37 | 10943
31 Dec 2022 #58
sociopaths have a 'necessity' to torture animals and children

To be sure, there are forms of commercial hunting that I completely despise (commerce corrupts as surely as power does). A lot of 'trophy' hunting counts for that (or shooting animals that have been deprived of normal defense responses by captivity). But a lot of hunting is a normal expression of homo sapiens survival drives and should be regulated and not eliminated at all.

Hunting is not my thing at all, but I don't think demonizing all hunters is a very productive activity. It feels good for the demonizer but doesn't produce any good results otherwise....

I have a cousin who spent many hours of his youth hunting in the forests of backwoods Florida... He ate some of what he hunted (esp deer though his family raised cattle) but not all of it. Compared to what happened to a lot of his age peers (nb. rural Florida is a cesspit of dysfunction) that was a downright wholesome activity - downright healthy compared to most of the other options.
jon357 74 | 22830
31 Dec 2022 #59
a normal expression of homo sapiens survival drives

Aren't there so many better ways that drive can be expressed?

It feels good for the demoniser

It doesn't for me. I like the rituals involved with it, the 'view haloo', the stirrup cups, the hunting pink. Just not the killing which is nowadays largely gratuitous and in the developed world, always so.

downright healthy compared to most of the other options.

I don't disagree. Culling is sadly necessary for conservation, and it may as well be eaten. This is best done by professionals though.
PolAmKrakow 3 | 831
31 Dec 2022 #60
Aren't there so many better ways that drive can be expressed?

According to who? You? There is nothing wrong with hunting. Traditional hunting families should now take up water color painting? Maybe knitting? No one is in a position to judge. I don't judge vegans who say that killing animals is wrong completely when in order to produce their soybeans, every field mouse, mole, worm, ground squirl, and other living creatures is plowed under, killed and dismembered or injured in order to produce their beans. Thats why the crows and seagulls follow behind the farming combines. Hundreds of animals die to produce soybeans, but no one wants to talk about that. Thats neither sport, or ethical is it?


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