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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


kondzior 10 | 1,023
23 Dec 2019 #1
Source: money.pl/gospodarka/polexit-prawie-polowa-polakow-wierzy-ze-lepiej-nam-bedzie-poza-unia-europejska-6457290455541889a.html
47% of the Poles believes that Poland would be better off outside of the EU. That makes Poland the second EU county with such a negative view of EU membership.

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Lenka 3 | 1,991
23 Dec 2019 #2
You missed the part were over 70% said they would vote against leaving the EU
Joker 1 | 1,594
23 Dec 2019 #3
That makes Poland the second EU county with such a negative view of EU membership.

Europeans can see the writing on the wall, don't they?

You missed the part were over 70%

Times are changing after the Brits have set a new trend.....good luck
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
23 Dec 2019 #4
And so every time another European nation has her own problems following regulations, they decide to up and split?? Here in the States, Texas has been threatening to secede from the Union for at least several decades. As in a divorce, why not stay and work things out. Sure, the differences

can't be that irreconcilable, can they?

Pretty plain dumb, if you ask me!
Ironside 49 | 10,344
23 Dec 2019 #5
70% said they would vote against leaving the EU

There is not contradiction. People say - right now we stay in the EU. However in the future it would be better for Poland to leave the EU. Simple. A practical approach, I approve.

if you ask me!

Nobody asking you Lyzko.
Lenka 3 | 1,991
23 Dec 2019 #6
Times are changing after the Brits have set a new trend.....good luck

That poll was done after Brexit referendum. And for now Brits are doing everything to show how not to do it.

People say - right now we stay in the EU. However in the future it would be better for Poland to leave the EU.

They think it might be but it's just a prediction and at the same time prefer the security of staying in the EU.
johnny reb 23 | 4,558
23 Dec 2019 #7
Keep putting a bowl of milk out for a cat and it will never leave either.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
23 Dec 2019 #8
Not even the UK is above 50%.....

However in the future it would be better for Poland to leave the EU. Simple. A practical approach, I approve.

I'm not sure....the longer a country is part of this union, the longer it has invested in it and has become part of this network, the harder it will be to cut all these fine and thick threads and they are growing all the time.

Poland is not an island like Britain, Poland is near central Europe....people get used to free movement and many more choices across the continent...

Poland in...say....25 years from now on will be an integral part of this mesh....cutting it out again will be much more of a mess than with Britain.
Joker 1 | 1,594
23 Dec 2019 #9
Give it 5 years or so and if Brexit is a huge economic success the rest of the EU will follow.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
23 Dec 2019 #10
Poland IS already a huge economic success INSIDE the EU....with lotsa SUPPORT from the EU....with Poles living and working across the EU...
johnny reb 23 | 4,558
23 Dec 2019 #11
Can't argue that.
Two years ago today the zloty was 4.21.
Today it is 3.85.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
23 Dec 2019 #12
"...As of 2019 the Polish economy has been growing steadily for the past 28 years, a record high in the EU and only surpassed by Australia in the world economy. ... According to the Central Statistical Office of Poland, in 2010 the Polish economic growth rate was 3.7%, which was one of the best results in Europe...."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland
gumishu 11 | 5,239
23 Dec 2019 #13
Two years ago today the zloty was 4.21.
Today it is 3.85.

maybe it is because of the so called Quantitive Easing
mafketis 23 | 8,421
23 Dec 2019 #14
the lon-ion, the longer it has inv-art of this network, the ha-ill be to cut all these fi-reads

That's the problem. EU governments are locked into so much policy detail by ever increasing 'integration' that elections at the national level have minimal effect (see Italy, Spain, France etc)

The whole point of the EU seems to be to take decision making power away from citizens (with no thought given to what to do when citizens start objecting to that process...)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
23 Dec 2019 #15
the lon-ion, the longer it has inv-art of this network, the ha-ill be to cut all these fi-re

WOT???? :)
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
23 Dec 2019 #16
Give it 5 years or so and if Brexit is a huge economic success the rest of the EU will follow.

This is why the wise Brits are getting out before The EU ship sinks like The Titanic,
The Poles will follow, once they have milked The EU dry.... ;-)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
23 Dec 2019 #17
That sounds like it will be the fault of the Poles that the EU sinks, because they have milked the EU dry...

It doesn't sound as if the EU is a bad thing, only terrible naive! Why all this hate?
Ironside 49 | 10,344
24 Dec 2019 #18
Poland IS already a huge economic success

Nah, not really.

they have milked The EU dry...

Who is doing the milking EU or Poland that is a question. ( rhetorical one - the EU )
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
24 Dec 2019 #19
Interesting....the EU pours money into Poland but somehow still manages to milk Poland?

Not naive then but totally genius! :)
Ironside 49 | 10,344
24 Dec 2019 #20
the EU

what the EU? Generally speaking is not EU institutions but all circumstances and reality of the EU.

pours money into Poland

Pours money my foot. We already had this discussion. I'm not going to repeat myself - that is big BS not help.
Braveheart16 18 | 195
24 Dec 2019 #21
I think when it comes to 'milking' the EU come first.....they have the upper hand....Poland is not in a position, politically or financially to pull out of the EU, and I think people need to remember that the money has to be paid back to the EU.....not only that but Poland needs to remember the enormous benefits they have experienced since joining the EU.....to throw that away would be a big mistake, despite the financial positives Poland is enjoying....Poland has received billions of zloty over the years and will need to pay this back....it is tempting to believe that Poland is invincible and can stand on its own two feet but I think it needs to learn how to walk first.....
mafketis 23 | 8,421
24 Dec 2019 #22
WOT???? :)

I had a tantrum over the stupid quote length limit - a fully formed thought that's a word or two over the limit is not allowed, but editing it into proper length gibberish is fine.

But the questions remains about the problems of elections when governments can't actually address voter concerns because they're locked into eu structures... what's the answer? No more elections? Limiting elections to selected parties? Just letting the citizenry become ever more alienated as they're locked out of the decision making process?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
24 Dec 2019 #23
the problems of elections when governments can't actually address voter concerns because they're locked into eu structures

I don't see that actually....

Poland doesn't want to take part to help refugees and they don't have to...so the polish gov is very well able to adress their voter concerns. That other countries shouldering the burden don't look favourable to the solidarity ditchers is another point...

Merkel seems to be dead set on Nordstream 2, having Germany's energy needs (voter concern) in her view. That Poland and others don't look favourably at this business with Russia is another point...

Remember the planned constitution of the EU a few years back? Voters in France and Holland (if I remember correctly) voted it down and that was that, there is still no constitution for the EU.

Brussel isn't from Mars, all these people working there, steering and controlling the EU are being send by their member states, and of course they have their voters at home in mind all the time...it works as well as the govs at home, sometimes good, sometimes not so good...but that is no foreign overlord.

Do you have an example when voter concerns at home can't be adressed because of the EU structures?
Ironside 49 | 10,344
24 Dec 2019 #24
the money has to be paid back to the EU.

I don't know what planet you are on but I have no idea what you are talking about.

s. That other countries shouldering the burden don't look favourable to the solidarity ditchers is another point...

1. German boss make an unliteral decision - let this refugees in.
2. Most of those so called refuges wants to go and stay in Germany or alliteratively in Scandinavia.
3. After sh.t hit the fan Germany start talking about solidarity sharing burden and all the BS while pushing for north stream 2.
Question:
What gives the right for German head of state to make such decision in the name of the EU?
what about 'human rights and dignity' of refuges who want to stay in Germany not go to Poland? Shouldn't they whishes be respected?
How come solidarity in German means something else than in other languages? In other languages it means two ways streets. In Germany it means if WE need something others SHOULD give it to us. The other way around no so much.

- How about we share everything burdens and gains? Poland take some refuges and a part of Germany wealth - fair is fair after all.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591
24 Dec 2019 #25
Poland take some refuges and a part of Germany wealth - fair is fair after all.

Well...big parts of the EU support funds (BILLIONS!) are being german money...it's the EU net payer who fill the pot net taker are taking out from. Germany IS sharing it's wealth with you already since Poland has become a member.

Do you think Poland should take some refugees for that?

But scratch that, you are totally right...they would eh all try to move into Germany the moment they can...

*wanders off disgruntled*
Ironside 49 | 10,344
24 Dec 2019 #26
Germany IS sharing it's wealth with you

German economy jump started since Poland's market opened to it. That is the reason you overtook France. So don't talk to me as if there were any favors.

Do you think Poland should take some refugees for that?

No! I found it funny that for those relativity small money Germans think that can buy everything and the list is growing. Phew!
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
26 Dec 2019 #27
Again, I think Poland would be foolhardy to abandon the EU, much as it would be equal folly for Switzerland as but one example, to join! Poland derives too many benefits from being a "member of the club", so to speak, just as Switzerland would lose too many benefits by becoming an EU-member, for instance, her neutrality.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
26 Dec 2019 #28
Do you think Poland should take some refugees for that?

No.
And Poland won't,
This is the point where The Eu will lose Poland....don't push Poland.
Or Poland will push back.......
Spike31 3 | 1,638
28 Dec 2019 #30
Poles are finally waking up.

This is a part of a wider and longer process of gaining awaraness by the whole nation of what a modern EU is and which direction it is heading. What is especially important is that it is the youngest generation that is waking up. That's evident even when it comes to the latest general elections which has rewarded a real right-wing national conservatives with 11 seats in a Polish parliament.

btw. Poles are not "euro-sceptics" but the EU -sceptics. The EU stands against all the values represented by the traditional European culture. Poles, as a Christians and conservatives who believe in a natural law, are Euro-enthusiasts.

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