75 Years of Israel and the War - part 2

Then why are muslims living normal lives in Israel and no Jews in the muslim countries???

@Barney
Yes. How can they be 'binding'? What does that mean? How can they be enforced?

And above all, what about the act of genocide on 7/10?

@Bratwurst Boy
Most of the non Jewish population that Israel is responsible for are subject to a different legal system. Jewish people in the occupied territories are not treated the same as their non Jewish neighbors. That is apartheid

Israelis don't like this alternative. I wonder why...Not enough virgins up there?

As somebody said: If Hamas lays down their arms - peace. If the IDF lays down theirs - Holocaust 2.0. Those stubborn Israelis...

I just watched Fauda Season 4. At some point, one Israeli says: We can't do that because there are civilians over there...

This must have been produced before 10/7...so naive...Today, Israeli audiences would burst out laughing...

Novi would, of course, react the same way as he always does...Who gives a fvck! Now even UN agents are Hamas terrorists!

They are found out, their game is up!

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They can be binding (on states that have submitted themselves to the ICJ's jurisdiction), because they are:

After the oral proceedings the Court deliberates in camera and then delivers its judgment at a public sitting. The judgment is final, binding on the parties to a case and without appeal (at the most it may be subject to interpretation or, upon the discovery of a new fact, revision). Any judge wishing to do so may append an opinion to the judgment.

Source: icj-cij.org/how-the-court-works

As can be seen above, they are not only binding, but also without appeal.

I do hope you understand the difference between something being binding, and something being enforceable?

When the topic of discussion, some months back, was Putin - the whole NATO brigade here spilt much ink describing how "Putler is f*cked" - despite Russia never having ratified the Rome Statute. I suppose it was naive to assume people knew what they were talking about.

Are their women raped and burned alive? Are their breasts cut off alive? Are their babies and grandmoms kidnapped and subjected to existing in dark tunnels with no lights and no end in sight? Hungry and cold and abused daily? Are they?

And please answer the question, Barney...if you have a better idea than Israel how to make sure Hamas will never have the means to do something like that again, please tell us!

@Bratwurst Boy
Israel knew exactly where the UNRWA employees were as they requested a list of their employees despite claiming not to occupy Gaza or the west bank. Not one single objection was raised by Israel despite every employee being vetted by their security services.

Is it just a coincidence that Israel and those who complicit in their genocide suddenly have problems with the supposedly HAMA run UNRWA?

@Bratwurst Boy

If the Israeli people had voted for governments that wished to implement Oslo then there would be a Palestinian state they could take to the ICJ. The Israeli people didnt do that every government they elected was opposed to Oslo culminating in the Israeli people electing a genocidal war criminal. A man responsible for the mass murder of women and children the mass rape of women and children and the mass mutilation of women and children.

@Bobko
Yip Good egg...as usual

Just admit that you just want Israel to stop fighting Hamas, Barney....that would be at least honest!

You know as everybody else that there is no way to destroy Hamas without going to the ground in Gaza....

PS: I also doubt that the Palis have an idea how to function as a real, independent country....living off foreign aid for decades now! Their refugee status being hereditary...but only through the male line, not the female line!

@Bratwurst Boy
Now you are being silly...argue the point rather than misreading what I am saying

Just admit, that you are obsessed with the flood of Muslim immigrants into Germany, and that the Israel-Gaza war is a convenient proxy for you, onto which you can project all your bottled up frustration.

Had there been no Muslims occupying your beloved Germany, the problems of raped Jews would be as distant to you as the problems of raped Rohingya.

Shouldn't I be then rather obsessed with a "Palestine from the river to the sea"???

After all that would mean all these arabs in Berlin would leave at last and help building their new country, wouldn't they!


True! Seeing crowds of people shouting for the murder of Jews, seeing Nazi symbols and slogans not only in the history lessons during school but alive in today's Berlin streets came quite as a shock to many Germans!

That's a totally other level than just hearing in the news of some poor but faraway Rohingyas...

You see, I told you, hahaha))

I knew this was the root of all the hullabaloo, when I saw the same tropes reappear. That is, "the Jews made the desert bloom" and "Hamas is digging up irrigation pipes to manufacture rockets".

Such good stewards of the land, the Israelis are. Such hard workers. Such innovators and just overall mensches. Just like the Germans!

You harbor still quite a romantic but stereotype view of Germans, Bobko....but I fear we aren't that way anymore, or my beloved Germany wouldn't be that deep in a crisis right now...

Bobko, you know that you are on my most favorite list here...but that post was not fair to BB.
Also, we tend to abuse "obsessed". I hate many things - including being shot - but I am not "obsessed". Rational, realistic, concerned, sometimes afraid...but not obsessed.

[quote=Bobko]occupying your beloved Germany,[/quote
Technically, "beloved Germany" is fine. In this context, it is not. Maybe it's just me...

From my point of view, there is a limit to being rational, realistic, concerned, or sometimes afraid. Beyond that threshold, begins obsession.

From my little perch, as I've mentioned many times before, I don't care about anything. Not like a 16 year old's reflexive nihilism, but the nihilism of a real degenerate.

Muslims, transgenders, gays, liberals, conservatives, communists, refugees, blacks, whites, reds - I don't care. At the top, they're all buddy-buddy with each other anyway. Getting all hot and bothered about them, is something to keep the masses occupied.

....than what else would we do on this discussion board? It would be so boring....

Talk about the movements of the frontline in Ukraine.

Discuss central bank policy.

Debate Polish history.

Look at Pawian's garden photos.

Observe Alien, Novichok, and Cargo discussing cars.

Imagine how the wine tastes that AntV is pushing this week.

A lot of things.

Did you miss these epic battles? Me, as the lone German fighting a whole polish board? WWII was cheese cake compared to that....some old PF geezers still remember....

No comparison to this thread!

Mein Gott! This must have been truly epic.

But do you think it was more difficult than fighting the Polish board as a Russian, during Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

...hmmm......in the beginning it was truly epic too, but now it has lost some of its mojo....and the relationship between Poland and Ukraine seems more difficult now than I thought....so, hard to tell!

Wow, they are one to talk. How about their domestic policies that are short of genocide?
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By the way on a moral ground, Israel is not justified in doing what it does. I hope that is clear to everyone.

Like the Russian and Ukrainian soldiers at the front, at this point everybody is a little exhausted. Everybody understands it won't end in an easily summed up denouement, and that's not nearly as fun to discuss.


Thank you.

It's the equivalent to kicking a guy in the head when he's on the ground, in a street fight. You quickly lose everyone's support, even if he WAS talking sh*t to your girl.

On this we agree.

I'd not say I'm optimistic in the long run though. Unless Israel have a Plan B.

So why the hell do you support it? If you love Israelis, should you not advocate what is best for them?

Peace?

As I say, Israel need something up their sleeve and hopefully that is what they have.

You know they have nothing up their sleeve, and it's their total responsibility for having walked into this nightmare.

Be serious, Jon.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

They've nowhere else to go and short of nukes (which they have themselves) nothing will move them.

Alright, fine. Let's see.

Same as your prognostications about the counter-offensive, I'm sure this will be a big lemon.

You're big on the hope man, but not so much on the reality.

Which were correct. It's a long hard slog however in the end the defence of Ukraine will be successful. The orcs haven't even taken Avdivka yet.


The reality is that Israel have never lost a war and their enemies have never won one.