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Israel furious as Poland signs law to limit property claims


johnny reb 31 | 5,817
15 Aug 2021 #1
It's about time Poland says enough is enough and signs a bill to end Jewish property claims.
The bill sets a 30-year limit for restitution claims by the Jews.
Israel is having a full blown meltdown over it calling it "anti-Semitic".

msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-furious-as-poland-signs-law-to-limit-property-claims/ar-AANkabv?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Novichok 1 | 4,336
15 Aug 2021 #2
Jews should be paid fair market value of what they lost minus what they stole or overcharged in rents and their stores.
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
15 Aug 2021 #3
When is "just" ever just enough? Too little is always too late, lest you neglect your Christian duty! Being a human being means especially when it's INconvenient-:)
PolAmKrakow 2 | 953
15 Aug 2021 #4
@Lyzko
And just how many decades does anyone need to make a claim? This law actually makes sense.
Crow 150 | 9,560
15 Aug 2021 #5
Poland is wise.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #6
This law actually makes sense

It does.

Poland is wise

Blimey Crow, I actually agree with you!

@Lyzko

You have got this so wrong mate, if your aim is to fuel yet more irrational antisemitism then you are going the right way about it.

Is that really what you want?
OP johnny reb 31 | 5,817
15 Aug 2021 #7
Israel is just furious about this with Poland.
Copy and paste this article to get the details of the story,

msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-furious-as-poland-signs-law-to-limit-property-claims/ar-AANkabv?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #8
Israel is just furious about this with Poland.

And so what?
Nobody in Poland cares.
We are talking old history now, what Jews can still have legitimate claims after all this time?
Lenka 3 | 2,737
15 Aug 2021 #9
Nobody in Poland cares.

I wouldn't say that. No sane person wants to start conflicts with other nations.
It's more that most see the logic of the law.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #10
[quote=Lenka]It's more that most see the logic of the law.
[quote]Which comes down to the same thing.Nobody cares.
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
15 Aug 2021 #11
In the end, only the irretrievably cynical could imagine that it's solely about money. It's more about intangibles such as denial of ultimate, sometimes complicit responsibility. At least the Polish gov't. admitted to the possibility of a crime, unlike the Turks with the Armenians!
Lenka 3 | 2,737
15 Aug 2021 #12
At least the Polish gov't. admitted to the possibility of a crime,

What crime?
OP johnny reb 31 | 5,817
15 Aug 2021 #13
Nobody cares.

If you would have read the article you wouldn't keep being so dim.
The Israel's are very steamed about this so obviously they do care.

It's more about intangibles such as denial of ultimate, sometimes complicit responsibility.

Oh hogwash, it's about second and third generation Jews holding their hand out with their palm up.
mafketis 29 | 10,009
15 Aug 2021 #14
only the irretrievably cynical could imagine that it's solely about money. It's more about intangibles such as

clinging to a narrative that the other side won't believe

The great majority of Poles feel no collective guilt about the holocaust, that (pretty justifiable) position that enrages some (not all) Jews and some others.

I'm not against all claims but they need to be made by the victimized (or their direct descendents) and should not necessarily involve the return of the property itself (. If the original building was destroyed in the war the claimants should have no right to what was built on it after the war.
Lenka 3 | 2,737
15 Aug 2021 #15
I'm not against all claims but they need to be made by the victimized

Me neither but I think 30 years is a reasonable timeline
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #16
The great majority of Poles feel no collective guilt about the holocaust

And they have no reason to.
If the Jews really feel they have some claim to compensation after over 60 years they should be talking to Germany and not to Poland.
mafketis 29 | 10,009
15 Aug 2021 #17
30 years is a reasonable timeline

Nothing is reasonable for some. Nonetheless, Poland has not been communist for over 30 years, there would need to be really strong and good reasons to explain why no earlier claim was made.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #18
there would need to be really strong and good reasons to explain why no earlier claim was made.

Spot on!
Why now?
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
15 Aug 2021 #19
I'm confused. Please send me the link in Polish! Thank you.
Lenka 3 | 2,737
15 Aug 2021 #20
Confused about what and what link?
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
15 Aug 2021 #21
The newpaper report from whence this discussion came, of course-:)
mafketis 29 | 10,009
15 Aug 2021 #22
Here's one article in Polish (nb. I haven't read it, I just googled it up)

wprost.pl/polityka/10480482/prezydent-duda-podpisal-nowelizacje-kpa-jair-lapid-niech-magierowski-nie-wraca.html
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
15 Aug 2021 #23
@mafketis
If you have not read it, why post it?
Lenka 3 | 2,737
15 Aug 2021 #24
For Lyzko. He asked for an article in Polish
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
15 Aug 2021 #25
Much appreciated, guys.
OP johnny reb 31 | 5,817
16 Aug 2021 #26
It sounds like this may put even more of a strain on Poland and Israel's relations.
I have noticed that the Administrator doesn't like to entertain this subject as he has closed all the other threads concerning this topic.
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
16 Aug 2021 #27
Perhaps because it is fertile soil for nut jobs and yahoos ready, willing, and able to give vent to that ol' familiar scapegoat, anti-Jewish bias:-)

The Mods recognize they must remain above the fray in order for there an area for there to be a fray in the future!
OP johnny reb 31 | 5,817
16 Aug 2021 #28
Who decides if it is anti-jewish bias or in some cases just the opposite of some jew just banging on for a pity party ?
Miloslaw 12 | 3,129
16 Aug 2021 #29
It sounds like this may put even more of a strain on Poland and Israel's relations

there is no strain in Poland.
It is up to Israel to decide where tbey stand.

ol' familiar scapegoat, anti-Jewish bias:-

Please do not go down this old road again....all you succeed in doing is promoting yet more illogical antisemitism....are you really so dumb that you can't see that? Or do you secretly want to promote antisemitism?
Lyzko 31 | 7,828
16 Aug 2021 #30
It'll never go away, like crab grass, unless attacked at the root!


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