75 Years of Israel and the War - part 2

Israel only fought against Arabs and never participated in any peacekeeping missions or other American wars. The Israeli army is actually a great unknown

Indeed.

It's a defence force and perhaps the best such.

It's known to Hamas. Hamas loves the IDF for the same reason why NATO loves Russia.

Hamas is not an army, it is just a group of guerrillas also known as terrorists. Apparently about 30,000 people, poorly armed. They wouldn't even stand a chance against the European anti-terrorist police, let alone the army.

Hey, Aline, let me teach you simple logic. Pay attention...

When you start with "it ain't so", you are implying that the poster you are replying to said that it is so.
Specifically, I never said or implied that Hamas was "an army".

The problem is Iran working with Egypt who have a vast army.

There are likely to be difficult times ahead.

A plus is that Al Quds (Jerusalem) is such a holy place for Arabs that Iran wouldn't ever nuke it. If however they see tactical nukes used successfully elsewhere, an attack in Tel Avon may be in their sites.

This whole thing confirms again that being religious is only a short distance from being a mindless fanatic and that atheists are the supreme form of humans.

Just to be clear, an atheist is a person who not only doesn't "believe" in God. He also rejects gurus, fuhrers, charismatic swindlers, or anyone who says "trust me".

Possibly one of the greatest posts you have ever made on this forum!!!

Religion is the basis of so many wars.......

Nonsense, it's not religions that cause wars. These are people and the real cause of wars is not religion but other goals, such as the current one between Palestine and Israel.

tagesspiegel.de/internationales/liveblog/unrwa-skandal-ist-wohl-noch-grosser-als-gedacht-10586281.html

...UNRWA scandal is even bigger than expected, according to a report

According to a media report, the extent of the alleged connection between UN Palestinian Relief Agency employees and terrorists in the Gaza Strip is greater than previously assumed. As previously known, twelve of them are said to have taken part in the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel on October 7th. Around ten percent of all 12,000 employees of the UNRWA aid agency employed in the Gaza Strip have connections to Hamas or the Islamist Jihad, the US newspaper "Wall Street Journal" reported on Monday, citing intelligence reports....

....now to the good news:

....Israel claims to have destroyed two of four Hamas battalions around Khan Yunis

Israel says it has now destroyed two of four battalions of the radical Islamic Hamas in the area of Khan Yunis. More than 2,000 radical Palestinians were killed in the corresponding fighting in the southern Gaza Strip, says a spokesman.

"In addition, we destroyed a significant amount of underground infrastructure, where we found hostage-taking facilities, command centers, weapons, production facilities and intelligence materials."...

Unattributed briefing is not news.

If Shin Bet was so confident of these connections why have they never raised the issue before? They have all the names and details of the employees yet never challenged a single individual. Over the years Israel has closed down as much of Palestinian civil society as they could . This smacks of collective punishment...and an attempt to discredit international bodies who are recording the war crimes and the progress of the Zionist genocide. No one else can record the crimes as Journalists and independent organisations are prohibited from entering Gaza and a shoot to kill policy is being enacted against journalists currently in Gaza.

The fact is that Judge Donoghue quoted the relief agency thus inadvertently putting them in the crosshairs of the "rules based order"

That of course is only those individuals where there's eye witness accounts from 7/10. There are also reliable accounts from freed hostages that their captors were UN staff.


Do you disbelieve victims?

Next you'll be blaming them.


There never was much to 'close down'.

....well, you believe the "genocide" screaming from Hamas!

I still admire the handling of the civilians by the IDF, announcing the timing of their actions, even if it means an enormous military disadvantage and even that some murderers and cowards mingle with the civilians to avoid punishment!

Which other army in a war ever did that!

There is only one set of posters blaming victims...or denying that they are a people with all the trappings that go with that hence the words "There never was much to 'close down'"


The court found South Africa's case compelling enough to describe it as plausible

I actually think there's no reason to not believe the Israeli claims. I just don't understand why this is such a surprise?

Barney is right - Israel vets every single employment permit for the UNRWA - so for them to miss 1,200 people having links to Hamas is difficult to believe. What's more likely, is that they didn't care. It has been Netanyahu's explicitly stated policy for more than a decade to buttress the Hamas regime in Gaza. As he himself explained, this was a gambit to prevent the formation of any unified Palestinian state in the future. As far as that goes, Bibi's plan worked spectacularly.

So back to my point - why is this a big deal? All it proves is that 1,200 Hamas members had a day job working for the UN refugee agency. Seeing as it employs 10,000 people, and as such - is one of the largest employers in Gaza - and seeing as Hamas actually runs Gaza, and is by far the largest part of the state apparatus - these numbers don't seem astonishing. Two of the largest organizations in a certain territory had some personnel overlap. One of these, doesn't pay any salary to its rank and file members (Hamas), being for the most part a political party. The other pays some of the highest salaries any Arab living in Gaza can hope to earn. Miracles of conspiracy! Lol.

What this information in no way proves, is that the United Nations Relief and Work Agency is somehow behind the 10/7 attacks, has any control over Hamas paramilitaries, has any insight into their operations, or has aided them in any way with military supplies or intelligence.

Can we instead discuss that half of Gaza's hospitals are functionally disabled?

A few months back, we were discussing that the Israelis killed the same amount of innocent Gazans in a month, as Russia had killed innocent Ukrainians in two years. Now that number is 3X more than Russia has killed, and it's only been three months since. Anybody care to take up that discussion?

Na ja....

....The ruling of the I.C.J.-which is distinct from the International Criminal Court-fell short of finding Israel guilty of having committed genocide, but such a decision could take years; South Africa had also urged the court to order an immediate ceasefire, which it did not do. (The court does not have an enforcement mechanism.)....

clap clap clap

Meanwhile calls that UN bojo Guterrez for the re-funding of the UNRWA terrorists.....you know, all these boards did hold (and deserved) once alot more respect than right now!


They did what the world asked of them....and look what it got them!

They made once a big error, leaving Gaza totally in arab hands! Even if they had an idea what went wrong there, what should they do? Israel got shot at from Gaza with missiles all the time....Israel build a shield, did not invade or bomb the culprits....even if they knew about the UNRWA terrorists, who would had believed them, and what could they have done?

They wanted peace so much...they even let Hamas grew....till they got to far!

I hope Israel doesn't repeat their error and does what the world and boards are asking of them....leaving Gaza again to the arabs!

Did Ukrainians invade russian villages across the border during the night and brutalliy murdered about 1000 of russian women, men and children? Are there russian civilians taken hostage and hid in dark ukrainian tunnels?

(....I still don't think I'm obsessed if I want to discuss things!)

Yes, I've seen that the beacons of the free world - the United States, Canada, Germany, Australia and some others have moved to cut funding. The overall sentiment seems to be, "Now let's see how those UN parasites will squirm, when we cut their funding!"

Very impressive.

The United States, the largest contributor of aid, contributed a whopping $150 million dollars last year.

That's about the same amount of money as Russia spends in the first hour or so, of a typical missile barrage on Banderstadt.

Now that we know it makes Germans and Americans feel so influential and mighty to cut $150M to a refugee agency, maybe together with our friends in Beijing we can contribute a nice $1.5B to this wonderful agency.


Of course not) I'm sorry for earlier.

In regards to you comparison to Ukraine... No, Ukrainians did not rampage over the border to rape and behead Russians in the night. They did however burn their own citizens inside a building, who expressed a desire to join Russia. They did lynch people for speaking out against the gangsters that came into power in 2014. They did a myriad things, knowing it would provoke a strong reaction in Russia.

Please do!

Germany is bit cash-strapped right now....every little bit helps! :)

@Bratwurst Boy
The ICJ issued an Interim ruling but noted that the case against Israel was compelling and would be progressed.

No one mentioned the ICC Israel is not a member.

Israel has bombed and destroyed huge parts of Gaza multiple times the problem they have is they decided to build their country in someone else's country. They have to live with the consequences of that.

How about Hamas leaving Gaza? The war would end immediately...

Why are you always asking the Israelis to be nice to their tormentors? Especially with the Hamas already planning new massacres...

Their hold over Gaza has to end now, so or so!

No board can force Israel to let the murderers run around freely and, what's worse, allowing them to massacre israeli civilians ever again!


If it ends Hamas and their threat to israeli civilians I guess Israel can live with any consequences of that....

It's hard to follow... Israel supported Hamas for 20 years, protected it from Fatah, nourished it, and even encouraged sympathetic countries like Qatar to supply it with aid (Qatar supports all permutations of the Muslim Brotherhood, to the consternation of its neighbors).

Now it wants Hamas to leave Gaza???

What if Hamas is replaced by Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah, and suddenly the West Bank and Gaza will start clamoring for unification and statehood again? That would mean the collapse of two decades of Bibi's machinations!

No, Sausage Brother, Hamas must stay. The Arabs must leave, that's all. Preferably to Egypt, or Jordan, or the Moon. If out of 2 million, only 200,000 remain - they can even be ruled by a new incarnation of Adolf Hitler, and this would suit Netanyahu just fine.

Unlike for Hamas, nobody will organize huge marches in London and Berlin for Adolf Hitler.

The same suspects who support the ICJ on an ad hoc basis.

@Bratwurst Boy
I could turn the table and point out that a unitary state as proposed pre UN division plan would solve the issues. All Israel has to do is dismantle apartheid guarantee the right of return pay proper restitution for the land theft and ethnic cleansing. That would end the problem but then again what would all those people from Brooklyn do for second homes in the sun

So, you do know this issue quite well then...

What amazes me, is that I somehow managed to avoid being "cancelled" despite being the most belligerent Russia supporter, while now people are being fired from their jobs at law firms and hedge funds in New York for expressing Pro-Palestinians views.

Mysterious are the ways of the rules based international order.

...heh:) I guess once Hamas have lost profoundly, it's leader lastly traced hiding in the gutter and Gaza being bombed to the ground, I'm fairly sure nobody will organize such marches anymore for Hamas either....losers lose also any appeal to their followers, even the most fanatic ones!


You cannot dismantle what doesn't exist!

I wonder why South Africa didn't bring that accusation to an international board....

Its curious that the backbone of the colonists come from the US. The huge numbers of Russian/Ukrainian people who moved to Israel dont tend to live in the westbank or occupied Syria.

You should start a speaking tour with this message. You can start by visiting all football ultras headquarters, and then expand out to the larger neo-Nazi community. I'm sure, they will have many questions and comments after your speeches.


That's because they view kibbutzim as redneck lunatics. They also hate the orthodox clowns. They are extremely racist towards Sephardi Jews. Even amongst Soviet Jews, there's a hierarchy between the Ashkenazi and Buhari and Mountain Jews.

Soviet Jews are largely secular, urban, and like to live among other Russian speakers.

The only Jews they recognize as their superiors are the older waves of Ashkenazi emigration. Those fellas, aren't exactly big fans of Soviet Jews, in their turn.

Maybe they came later? After the end of the cold war?

....and where do those from Germany live? Do you have a link for that?


Probably because they didn't understood a thing I said....It pains me to admit but my spoken English is even worse than my written one!

No they choose to colonise those areas, its a messianic thing. The recent ethnic cleansing jamboree in occupied Jerusalem made that abundantly clear. Its cheap land and cheap housing, all state sponsored, and all belonging to Palestinians.

.....I wonder how long it will take till the Arabs really, truly acknowledge and understand that they will only ever be the big time losers keeping their war against Israel alive!

Instead of rekindling the flames of war all the time their only chance is real peace! Maybe then they will even get lost lands and property back. Till then....it's all about punishment!