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75 Years of Israel and the War - part 2


Bobko
30 Jan 2024 #151
It's nothing to do with that perfumed ponce Lebedev.

There's another Russian oligarch that bought an English publication?

TBH - never been a fan of the Independent either, so won't bother defending it.

If my father gave me a billion dollars to buy an English paper, my only target would be the FT. Unfortunately, Pearson has already sold that to Nikkei.

I would not take the Guardian, if it were given to me for free. The Telegraph... maybe.
jon357
30 Jan 2024 #152
Not a publication. An obscure financial website that suddenly rebranded itself as an investigative site (with only one story) and vanished after they were exposed as supporting a scammer.

More interesting is Russia's attempts to influence the result of elections around Europe and elsewhere.

I would not take the Guardian

It is not for profit, belongs to itself and can never be sold.

The telegraph is the only broadsheet that makes money due to its 70+ aging readership being the only people who still buy newspapers.
Bobko
30 Jan 2024 #153
More interesting is Russia's attempts to influence the result of elections around Europe and elsewhere

Why is it even possible, care to try answering that?

Why don't some Chinese, or Persians, or whoever else hates you even more - do this job?

Some American persons told me, that it is because despite being orcs and mongols, we are still much more intimately familiar with how things work in the West. This, in turn, allows us to exploit things more subtly than the hamfisted Chinese attempts.

I'm surprised by the above line of thinking. As an inferior race of slave men, forever living under a tyrant, how is that we can be deft at identifying and exploiting weaknesses in the free West? How can a slave, understand a freeman?
jon357
30 Jan 2024 #154
Why don't some Chinese, or Persians

Don't assume that they aren't at it too, in their own hamfisted ways.
Bobko
30 Jan 2024 #155
in their own hamfisted ways.

They are, and their attempts are admittedly funny. I see them on Twitter, and even sometimes here on PF. Almost inevitably it's machine generated text, that is riddled with mistakes, and has practically nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Their attempts at co-opting Western politicians, are similarly caricaturish.

Question was - why are Russians relatively better at this job? There are larger numbers of Chinese and Persians living in the West, than there are Russians. Many of them have the same Ivy/Oxbridge educations. Why don't these people better guide their governments efforts at identifying cracks in the Western edifice?
jon357
30 Jan 2024 #156
see them on Twitter, and even sometimes here on PF. Almost inevitably it's machine

Whenever Ughyurs are mentioned they appear.

why are Russians relatively better at this job? There

An interesting question. Decades of experience, huge resources and a few other factors maybe.

With the rise of AI we'll see the Chinese getting better at it.

And nowadays various malign state actors seem to be contracting work out to India and Brazil.
Bobko
30 Jan 2024 #157
huge resources

Certainly, the Chinese have more resources.

Decades of experience

Neither I, nor members of my family have ever served in the intelligence services. Yet, I still feel more qualified to generate internal squabbles between Westerners than practically any Chinese person I've met. Therefore, it's not a question of experience.

few other factors maybe.

Yes! I was hoping you would say it is because we are, at the end of the day, not so dissimilar as the rhetoric of politicians might suggest. The reason Russia is good at sowing discord, is because it's still a European nation. Maybe a rogue European nation by your standards, but still European.

I suppose I'll never get that out of you. Will have to wait for Kania, to come and calm my inferiority complex.
OP Novichok
30 Jan 2024 #158
and Novi, who also supports Russia in the war with Ukraine, supports Israel in the war with the Palestinians. Someone is very inconsistent here.

I noticed this dichotomy. too. I can explain it on request. Otherwise, I would be wasting my time...
Bobko
30 Jan 2024 #159
I noticed this dichotomy.

I hope you noticed it extends to Velund and Kostya, as well. Put that in your pipe, while you're thinking.
jon357
30 Jan 2024 #160
Therefore, it's not a question of experience.

That certainly plays its role; the Soviet Union were up to tricks and the spooked hasn't gone away.

rogue European nation

Very much so. russia can't be said to understand the UK (heck, even France and the US don't and as for Poland...) though it isn't only the U.K. who get maskirovka. Germany, France, and a fair few others. Not just in Europe either.

Chinese

I suspect they concentrate their efforts elsewhere.
OP Novichok
30 Jan 2024 #161
I hope you noticed it extends to Velund and Kostya, as well.

Thanks. Now I feel even better...
Are you dating a Muslim girl?
Paulina
30 Jan 2024 #162
Why exactly does Bobko, who supports Russia in the war with Ukraine, support the Palestinians in the case of Palestine's war with Israel

It's pretty simple, I think - it's because the US supports Israel. For the same reason the Soviet Union supported Palestinians.
Alien
30 Jan 2024 #163
it's because the US supports Israel.

This would mean that Bobko is at least consistent. But Novi's behavior is totally inconsistent.
Paulina
30 Jan 2024 #164
@Alien, Novichok isn't RuSSian. He spent most of his life in the US and considers himself to be an American. And he's a radical American right-winger. Those types are usually anti-Muslim - or, rather, anti-Muslim immigration. And Palestinians are Muslims. Plus, Israel built The Wall lol - that's Novichok's dream for the US (the border wall with Mexico), so for Novichok Israel is a model country in this respect. In other words - he relates more to Israel than to Palestinians.
Alien
30 Jan 2024 #165
In other words - he relates more to Israel than to Palestinians.

I understand this argument, but why is he behind russia in the Ukrainian-russian war? I don't understand this...
Paulina
30 Jan 2024 #166
@Alien, Novichok said himself - he loves RuSSia :) Why? Again - because RuSSia is his "model" country (or, at least, he thinks so). RuSSia is right-wing/nationalist, anti-LGBT, anti-feminist, sociopathic, etc. and Putin is Novichok's perfect father figure. RuSSia is the ideological enemy of the West and its progressive values (the values that Novichok hates).
Alien
30 Jan 2024 #167
West and its progressive values

Well, we need to explain to him that Israel, which he supports so much, is a Western country and a very progressive one in many areas of life. And he doesn't like this progress at all.
OP Novichok
30 Jan 2024 #168
I choose my friends based on the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rule.
The top six on my enemy list:

1. NATO
2. MICC
3. Migrants
4. LGBTs
5. Woke morons
6. Democrats
Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024 #169
....a little info vid..."We are UNRWA"

twitter.com/i/status/1752443459682632175
Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024 #170
Look at that:

Gazans, speaking in Hebrew, curse UNRWA, as they receive aid from IDF soldiers.

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1752644890222113180

Again....Hats off to Israel and it's army!

Hopefully Hamas never comes back again, they will find and massacre these people...
Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024 #171
It seems now with Hamas in dire straits some more Gazans are finding their voice!

Gazans have had it with Hamas!

This man says that the Hamas leadership are having a wonderful time while civilians in the Gaza Strip are struggling to survive.

He ends by saying that Hamas must be liquidated forever.

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1752640330602578294
Barney
31 Jan 2024 #172
@Bratwurst Boy
Have you any tweets on how cute the IDF is, perhaps some pics of young Israeli women with guns or any other obvious pieces of propaganda?
Barney
31 Jan 2024 #174
Never looked at them but from your description they are clearly propaganda, the behaviour is similar to the Montenegrin guy who also posts propaganda videos
Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024 #175
Never looked at them

Maybe you should....maybe you know arabic and these guys shout "Death to Israel" instead?

the behaviour is similar to the Montenegrin guy

....now that hurts! :(
Barney
31 Jan 2024 #176
now that hurts!

It wasnt intended to hurt you. You seem a reasonably intelligent guy though one with a different political outlook, surely you can see these series of tweets are nothing more than propaganda.
OP Novichok
31 Jan 2024 #177
and its progressive values (the values that Novichok hates).

Paulina, I couldn't write it as well as you did. I am really impressed...
BTW, in this context, it's "progressive", not progressive. There is nothing progressive about removing breasts to make a girl feel like a boy.
OP Novichok
31 Jan 2024 #178
I sympathize with Israel for a number of reasons...the main one is being watched by the whole damn world as they deal with the barbarians worse than anything the world has experienced to date, including Nazis. To their credit, Nazis, just as NKVD, tried to hide their crimes.

Not so with Hamas...They brag and promise more of the same while their mindless proxies - safe and coddled in Western "democracies" - scream for "peace".
OP Novichok
31 Jan 2024 #179
Q: Why the worst morons are mostly women?
A: Because most of them are brainless, woke, leftist, easy-to-manipulate imbeciles.
Ironside
31 Jan 2024 #180
European.

In terms of geography maybe, I would say that is sitting on the fence, in terms of civilization and culture it is not, although has a lot of European features that remain in it let's say Moscow culture.

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By the way, this thread answers a big question why have pogressives and so-called wake anti-cultural heresy spread so far and wide in Western civilization?

The people lost their bering their moral code and they don't know what is wrong and what is rather anymore, and with moral relativism, all kinds of =-isms find a fertile ground to breed their sinister branch of plague.

You, people, have no idea what moral and immoral is or at least you don't give a damn about it.
Are you aware?


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