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Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?


Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #841
Which was an initiative of the Tusk government

Wrong-- it was Kaczynski, motivated by the incident with Georgia.
Velund 1 | 498
20 Apr 2010 #842
What? They was in preparations to attack Belarus just like Sobakashvili attacked Ossetia? Otherwise, why they would care about it so much?
ThePotatoe 2 | 38
20 Apr 2010 #843
that beaver from narnia killed the gud president.
now the president shouldnt have stolen his Akon!
lol
Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Apr 2010 #844
You mean Saakashvili? Joe, that kind of information is inconclusive. There isn't that much to go on if you compare it to 9/11 which was a blatant wool-pulling operation.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
20 Apr 2010 #845
And Russia has openly threatened Poland over it

Openly threatened? What threat do you mean? And what do you expect considering the fact that missile deployment in Poland is itself a direct threat to Russia?

If you had any clue on nuclear parity you wouldn't bring up the issue. It's only beneficial for the USA. Poland would be their missile shield.

For Russia it's just a question of security which has nothing to do with who is at the helm here at the moment.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #846
Openly threatened? What threat do you mean?

This is what I mean: cbc.ca/world/story/2008/08/20/us-poland-missileshield.html

These are just 2 of many reports...
Jed - | 165
20 Apr 2010 #847
This is what I mean:

It's an old information about "U.S. missile shield plans" - cancelled and replaced with Patriot system, completely diferent. Russia is also not very happy but it is not a danger.

Any U.S. global anti-missile shield element is a strategic target for Russian missiles. It is not useful for Poles and is rather dangerous for both of us.
f stop 25 | 2,513
20 Apr 2010 #848
These are just 2 of many reports...

That's the same, almost 2-year old link, twice.
convex 20 | 3,978
20 Apr 2010 #849
Any U.S. global anti-missile shield element is a strategic target for Russian missiles. It is not useful for Poles and is rather dangerous for both of us.

Which is a no brainer. Same thing as NATO bases are targets (especially those with nuclear weapons...).

NATO..."to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"
Jed - | 165
20 Apr 2010 #850
Which is a no brainer. Same thing as NATO bases are targets (especially those with nuclear weapons...).

Yes, but not strategic in most cases - means not nesessary to use nucs for all of them.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
20 Apr 2010 #851
This is what I mean:

Yes, if you cut your finger it aches. If you know what I mean... :) Quite soft reaction on Russian part. Care to read the rest I wrote above.
Velund 1 | 498
20 Apr 2010 #852
You mean Saakashvili?

Russian speaking readers understand what I mean. ;) For the rest - answer is yes,we are talking about the same person. ;)

NATO..."to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"

Some sort of geopolitical kamasutra? ;)
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #853
It's nice to see you actually being civil for a change, Sasha ;-P
Sasha 2 | 1,083
20 Apr 2010 #854
Likewise, Olia :P
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #855
Quite soft reaction on Russian part.

Not if this was the reaction...
Not saying it definetly was, but who knows? It's very possible.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Apr 2010 #856
I don't think these Patriot missiles will pass hands too soon. It would be too transparent and relations can change in an instant.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #857
I don't think these Patriot missiles will pass hands too soon.

Isn't the timing odd, to say the least?
Jed - | 165
20 Apr 2010 #858
I don't think these Patriot missiles will pass hands too soon. It would be too transparent and relations can change in an instant.

Sooner is better - it is not a cure for paranoia but may be lighten the illness.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #859
I'm sure you'll find some lunatic that will say so, and demand that we look at his link.

That's the same, almost 2-year old link, twice.

Don't get your panties in a bunch... your head might start spinning soon.
czar 1 | 143
20 Apr 2010 #860
why implicate russias guilty concieous by reasoning that a MISSLE DEFENSE SHIELD IN POLAND IS A THREAT TO RUSSIA sry, cap lock it is meant for Iran why by russia having a s**t over it when it has nothing to do with them.

i considered it jobs and payback for poland being a US ally, no? ok fine but keep in mind there are poles with boots on the ground in Iraq/Aphganistan.

btw joe we think alike, good or bad although i considered this assassination a deal made with EU or west, russia says ok for our co-op we want to do this guy, world looks the other way; the west get what it wants, russia handles Iran, no? i can come back to this later for now i go outside.

but, i like to piece together the motives by the headlines in the news at the same time while
US was hosting nuclear safety summit ill find some links later, ukraine agrees to rid stockpiles of nuclear waste and so on.

later
f stop 25 | 2,513
20 Apr 2010 #861
Isn't the timing odd, to say the least?

yes... plane crash timing is never good. But using it for your anti-russian propaganda is distasteful.
convex 20 | 3,978
20 Apr 2010 #862
why implicate russias guilty concieous by reasoning that a MISSLE DEFENSE SHIELD IN POLAND IS A THREAT TO RUSSIA sry, cap lock it is meant for Iran why by russia having a s**t over it when it has nothing to do with them.

I guess because the Russians offered the use of a radar base much closer to the launch sites and it was considered to be completely out of the question. Could be that the Russians signed up for a treaty with the US which specifically prohibited ABM systems.

I guess those might be good reasons.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #863
it is meant for Iran why by russia having a s**t over it when it has nothing to do with them.

On the contrary... the missile defense shield, from which Obama withdrew, was meant for the middle east--but the patriot missiles (short-range missiles) are meant precisely for security against Russia:

guardian/world/2009/feb/26/us-poland-missile-patriot-russia
timesonline/tol/news/world/europe/article4535221.ece
abcnews.go/m/screen?id=5617271
kyivpost/news/world/detail/64378/
Jed - | 165
20 Apr 2010 #864
why by russia having a s**t over it when it has nothing to do with them

Anti-misssile missiles launch looks on radars too similar to ordinary nuc missiles and may trigger a war even when used against Iran.

Just take it as our paranoia - you haven't monopoly for it :)

but the patriot missiles (short-range missiles) are meant precisely for security against Russia:

It doesn't create important target by itsef and not a danger for us by itself. If it is good for Pole's security feelings - it's OK for us too.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #865
it's OK for us too.

Maybe for you, but not for the Russian government and military. Have a look at the links I posted, and judge for yourself. It's pretty clear.

On another note: Isn't it a little odd that armed soldiers (?), NKVD (?) were already at the crash site, even before emergency crews? Or do armed Russians lurk at every Russian airport, waiting for crashes to occur? Just a thought... nobody have a fit, please.
f stop 25 | 2,513
20 Apr 2010 #866

Your overuse of links is annoying. We all can google as well.
Jed - | 165
20 Apr 2010 #867
Or do armed Russians lurk at every Russian airport

Yes, at every MILITARY airport.
Olga 1 | 330
20 Apr 2010 #868
Is a military base actually stationed there?
convex 20 | 3,978
20 Apr 2010 #869
On another note: Isn't it a little odd that armed soldiers (?), NKVD (?) were already at the crash site, even before emergency crews? Or do armed Russians lurk at every Russian airport, waiting for crashes to occur? Just a thought... nobody have a fit, please.

Yes, there were NKVD agents all over the place.

Would it be unusual for security to be at the airport for a head of state? Probably not. There are apparently still some soldiers based there as well.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,297
20 Apr 2010 #870
On another note: Isn't it a little odd that armed soldiers (?), NKVD (?) were already at the crash site, even before emergency crews? Or do armed Russians lurk at every Russian airport, waiting for crashes to occur? Just a thought... nobody have a fit, please.

NKVD? Blast from the past... NKVD had been renamed to KGB looong time ago, then it was renamed to FSB.

Just try to get into a US airforce base and you'll see how many "armed Americans are lurking there." LOL

As far Russia claiming the Patriot missilies in Poland are a threat to their security - total hogwash. That's like a bank robber saying guards wearing bullet-proof wests are a threat to his/her security. Sasha - Poland is no longer in the Russian influence zone and never will be again! Even with a weak, Russia pleasing president we have. Get used to it!

PS. Still luv ya though! ;)

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