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60% of Poles say Szydło's government should resign


jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Jul 2017 #121
No. We saw by Kaczynski's disgraceful and frankly insane behaviour last night that fascists just can't handle not getting their way.
irishlodz 1 | 135
19 Jul 2017 #122
The inforamtion going round is that Chopin is barely able to handle existing traffic and the forecast pressure will be more than it can deal with.

A first for everything, never thought I'd agree with P3.

Chopin's RUNWAY has a capacity of 25mil pax, as does any full size runway. The busiest single runway airport in the world is Gatwick with about 35mil. That is bursting at the seams. The smallest aircraft using that now is about 120 seats, smaller aircraft too expensive to run there given fee structure. LOT's runs a load of 70-90 seat aircraft.

Chopin's issue is terminal capacity, which it is close to reaching. There is also limited space for building expansion.
Modlin is an utter disgrace, a shambles of a 3rd world airport. It should be shut ASAP.

A new twin runway airport on the Lodz side of Warsaw would provide capacity for 50+ years, and get rid of stupid vanity projects haemorrhaging money like LJC, BYD, MOD. Overnight an extra 4mil of feeder flights would be added in a new unified Warsaw airport. LOT could grow services without restrction, and WAW could develop into a proper hub. Lodz regional railway could use the savings to fund a huge investment to improve Lodz-Warsaw railway services via the new airport. Better rail and air services for the city, not nett job losses. Win win for everyone.

PS. amazed/delighted that Duda finally grew a pair. It is horrible to watch the slide in this country over the past few years from the inside.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Jul 2017 #123
Polish pro-democracy protester

The ranks of hte pro-trough rumpus raisers trying to restore the long defunct status quo when PO scmasters (of VAT fraud, AmberGold and real-estate scam fame) ruled the roost, are thinning day by day. Aside from self-styled "total opposition" activists, anti-government media and those like judges and ex-SB types with a vested interest in restoring the past, there are fewer and fewer regulars who have seen that the ranting and chanting has produced zilch, nada, rien du tout, nic, nichts, nichevo! In fact, the rabble rousers have accomplished only one thing: WASTING MORE TAXPAYER MONEY ON RESULTANT POLICE SECURITY BILLS.

It seems however that some on PF have failed to face up to reality and prefer to live in their make-believe fairyland where crooks like Tusk are heroes and sterling patriots such as Kaczyński are villains. There's no law against it, lower-case!
Atch 17 | 3,222
19 Jul 2017 #124
Kaczynski's disgraceful and frankly insane behaviour

It was astonishing wasn't it? The man is clearly unwell. That kind of rage is actually quite reminiscent of Hitler who exhibited a similar lack of self-control, and all in the middle of a Royal Visit!! Poland is hosting foreign dignitaries and we see this conduct from the one of the highest ranking public figures in the country. Once again the Polish adminstration has embarrassed itself and its people on the world stage.
jgrabner 1 | 71
19 Jul 2017 #125
latest polls show PiS gaining ground in the last 3 months again:
oko.press/sondaz-oko-press-pis-najmocniejszy-wyborow-opozycja-najslabsza-sejm-prawicowo-narodowy
interestingly, the strongest party amongst the 18-24 old voters is K15. And: Wolność - Korwin-Mikke's party - polls at 14% amongst this young crowd.
For me it is an encouraging sign that both in the general electorate as well - and maybe even stronger - in the young generation, parties who work against mass immigration have a big majority.
mafketis 23 | 8,372
19 Jul 2017 #126
the strongest party amongst the 18-24 old voters is K15

Lots of experience with that demographic and they're apathetic and disengaged about 90 % of the time about politics. They're also easy to con with protest candidates that are ineffectual in actually getting anything done (what are Kukiz's great achievements again? Oh yes, that's right, none!) Korwin-Mikke is also a protest candidate that cannot actually get anything done.

I've yet to meet one who can stand JK (I know some exist but not in the demographic I deal with - and peer pressure would stop some from admitting it if they did) or Macierewicz or who can tolerate the Smolensk martyr cult.

They're also a lot less openly xenophobic than the current government but against Poland accepting refugees (practicality and cultural compatability issues).
Atch 17 | 3,222
19 Jul 2017 #127
For me it is an encouraging sign

Really? I'd say it was extremely disturbing that people aged 18-24 support a man who believes that child pornography should be legalised. If it weren't for that sinister aspect he'd be laughable and the thought that the youth of Poland would put any faith in such an individual or his party would be utterly depressing, and really raise questions about their intelligence if not their sanity.
cms 9 | 1,271
19 Jul 2017 #128
Yes it's important to oppose immigration - it is by far the greatest danger facing Poland. I mean they might be religious extremists who want to set up their own court system in Poland.
mafketis 23 | 8,372
19 Jul 2017 #129
I'd say it was extremely disturbing that people aged 18-24 support a man who believes that child pornography should be legalised

First, he also doesn't think females should be allowed to vote so pipe down, woman.

Second, AFAICT his support is largely based on the up yours! factor - giving the finger (or both) to a political establishment they feel alienated from.
Ironside 49 | 10,294
19 Jul 2017 #130
That kind of rage is actually quite reminiscent of Hitler

Right, a one track mind or a one pony trick. I wonder is that due to brainwashing in school or just being brought up in the world where Hitler is a pop-culture figure and not a real historical figure.

Listening to lies and BS of traitors, scum,crocks and other garbage from so called opposition can take its toll on anyone.

Few words of the truth directed to that rabble is not a big deal.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Jul 2017 #131
a one track mind or a one pony trick.

Basically Kaczynski to a tee. Though he's now actually losing his mind, as demonstrated by yesterday's events in parliament.

His next step as party leader will probably be to remove Szydlo as PM and take the role on himself, thereby sealing the PiS junta's fate for ever.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Jul 2017 #132
sealing the PiS junta's fate for ever.

Dream on fairyland denizen, dream on! In any new election Kukiz woudl replace PO as No.3, Petru might just barely make it over the wire and PSL would be turned out to pasture.
Atch 17 | 3,222
20 Jul 2017 #133
Hitler is a pop-culture figure and not a real historical figure.

Maybe for some he is, not for me. I was first moved to curiosity about Hitler when I was fourteen and read a biography of him, two years later I'd moved on to Marx as I was trying to figure out the mess that was the Soviet Union, which appeared to me to be a facist, not a socialist state. Not everbody forms their opinions based on media-friendly soundbites and the sensationalist press.

But back to Hitler...........are you saying that the man didn't have a temper?? Because he most certainly exhibited incoherent rage on more than one occasion and Kaczyński also is well known for his outbursts. In Hitler's case, the jury is out as to whether there was a touch of deliberate 'staging' of anger in the early days for dramatic effect but according to those who knew him, he often showed remarkable self-control at times of stress, only to explode quite suddenly later on.

Listening to lies and BS of traitors, scum,crocks and other garbage from so called opposition can take its toll on anyone.

He's always been like that though he appears to be becoming increasingly unstable as he feels his power and influence waning and his particular vision of HIS Poland disintegrating.. His reputation for not being able to control himself is well established. Kaczyński in other times, would have been potentially a very dangerous person and is precisely the type of man who would have lead Poland into a war. He is also the type of person who would have no hesitation in having his perceived enemies rounded up and transported to an internment camp.
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #134
He's always been like that though he appears to be becoming increasingly unstable as he feels his power and influence waning

Atch I am not sure you know what you are talking about - how is Kaczyński's power waning? the man was deeply disturbed (and probably still is) by the death of his twin brother - I understand you have a big imagination but comparing Kaczyński to Hitler is simply wrong
Atch 17 | 3,222
21 Jul 2017 #135
how is Kaczyński's power waning?

He's getting on in years that's the first thing. The time available for him to achieve his goals is running out. He is getting more frustrated because things are not moving fast enough. This makes him even more irritable and volatile than previously and consequently harder for those around him to deal with. Secondly, Duda, his apprenctice, is starting to waver. He's a young man who despite his lack of credibility can still forge a long career in politics and he has an eye to the future. Kaczyński basically represents the past and is locked into it. His time is over. Within the next five years he'll be a spent force. As to the Htiler bit, I just meant his temper, he lacks the clout to create a world empire, though he could certainly have been a very effective dictator in his own country, had he lived in different times.
cms 9 | 1,271
21 Jul 2017 #136
@irishlodz

Not sure how your interesting post ended up here ! One of the good things about Chopin is that it is close to town - 8km and that unlike Prague or Budapest it now has a great train connection. Your replacement would primarily benefit the people of Lodz while those wanting to be close to Warsaw would face a huge inconvenience.
cms 9 | 1,271
21 Jul 2017 #137
For sure he belongs in the past - can't use a computer, doesn't have a bank account, doesn't have a passport, not sure f he can drive but can't remember seeing him at the wheel.

Anybody see Szydlo's inspiring use of the autocue last night ?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
21 Jul 2017 #138
His time is over.

Au contraire, the time of post-communism, euphemistically called "III RP" is over. The Col. Mazgułas, Tusks, Ambergolds, Schetynas, Petrus, Komorowskis, Soros puppets such as Michnik and Balcerowicz, crooked, self-serving judges and otehr shady types have exploited poor Poland to the hilt and probably will get away with it. How do you track down 22 bln zł in lost VAT revenues that somehow'vanished into thin air?

I'm genuinely surprised at you, Atch. As a patriotic Irishwoman, shouldn't you be on the side side of the underdog, the exploited and abused Polish nation? The post-commie formation are like the British in the age-old Anglo-Irish dispute -- the powers that be. Thankfully in both cases (Polish and Irish), they are now THE POWERS THAT WERE!
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #139
Duda, his apprenctice, is starting to waver. He's a young man who despite his lack of credibility

are you sure you know what you are talking about - Duda is leading in most polls as the most trusted politician in Poland
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
21 Jul 2017 #140
most trusted politician in Poland

Traitors, turncoats and gullible dupes who suppoort the anti-goverment post-communist elites aknowledge only those poll results and statistics that fit their propagandistic version of reality. When they don't, THE TRUTH BE DAMNNED!
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #141
For sure he belongs in the past - can't use a computer, doesn't have a bank account, doesn't have a passport, not sure f he can drive but can't remember seeing him at the wheel.

are3 you that superficial?
Atch 17 | 3,222
21 Jul 2017 #142
Oh I do know what I'm talking about. Duda is a weak individual however many opinion polls he may top. Opinion polls, negative or positive maketh not the man.

on the side side of the underdog

I'm on the side of democracy.
cms 9 | 1,271
21 Jul 2017 #143
Would you put someone in charge of anything in your organisation if they can not use a computer ? It is a bit superficial but it's a sign of his arrogance that he considers he has no need to learn these skills.

The 22 bln number has been repeated here without challenge too often - it is obvious to accountants that it is only a half truth. Yes there has been a healthy increase in VAT mainly as a result of an increase in economic activity (for which the govt can take some credit) not due to recovery from crooked politicians. There are a number of ways in which the government has manipulated this figure, the most significant being early repayment of that refunds in December 2016, in fact the VAT receipts from December the lowest for many years.

A second reason has been with holding of VAT from real estate deals conducted in the first half of the year often these run into tens of millions of zloty. The third reason is that it is down much more difficult to reconcile your VAT on a quarterly basis, and that you have many VAT payers making an two months worth of receipts included in that number.

Let's rather wait until the end of 2017 to see how all of those three issues cycle out. The end result will probably be that there is some increase in VAT collected as a result of the crackdown on non-payers. From my day-to-day experience the people who are most likely to avoid paying VAT are small businessmen and I imagine some of those vote for the government, some for the opposition and some do not vote at all. It is wrong to say that that has unpaid VAT vanished into thin air - it has vanished into Audis, holidays in Turkey and new garden furniture for the small businessmen of Polska B.
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #144
The 22 bln number has been repeated here without challenge too often - it is obvious to accountants that it is only a half truth.

sure cms - how do you explain the 20 per cent rise in 'akcyza paliwowa' income year to year after tightening controls and sealing the legal systme of trading in fuels - did economic activity grow by 20 per cent or was there massive fraud counting in billions PLN before that, huh?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
21 Jul 2017 #145
democracy

In other words post-communism = democracy? Care to explain how maintaining a sluggish, ineffective, self-serving judicial structure riddled with PRL-era judges that sent dissidents to jail is dmecoratic. 70% of Poels faboru hte judicla reforms -- is ignoring the will of the nation somehow democratic? Post-communism = democracy

is a strange Irish equation indeed! Anyone can shout freedom, democracy, equality and other imponderables but you should see how they are being used by those whose only goal is A RETURN TO THE TROUGH. The PO-style scamasterist status quo is now dead as a doornail and no amount of chanting, screeching, stomping and unruly conduct will ever bring it back. True democracy is serving the nation, not a defunct, has-been elite! Amen!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
21 Jul 2017 #146
Duda is a weak individual

Weak? He refuses to bow to the pressure, insults, back-biting, warnings, threats, shouting, screaming, screeching, thumping, pounding and other disruptive ballyhoo. If he were weak, he'd freak out and capitulate the will of the has-beens!
Atch 17 | 3,222
21 Jul 2017 #147
ignoring the will of the nation somehow democratic?

It's not just the courts, but the whole legal system and indeed the law itself that needs reform in Poland but this is not true reform and it is not the way to go about it. Overall, corruption in a post-communist society is going to be a fact of life and take some years to eradicate as it requires a change of attitude and mindset and you can't legislate for that. The problem I have Polly is that the so-called reforms being brought about in every area are not so much genuine reforms but in fact controls. Poland is simply moving towards being a totalitarian, facist police state, not a modern democracy. That's as bad as Soviet style communism, pretty much the same thing really.

Duda gives every impression of having been selected by Kaczyński for his role and appears to dance to his tune. He doesn't seem to have a will or mind of his own. He may yet develop one. As I say he has an eye to the future and his own career given that he is a good twenty years' his mentor's junior. But even now, with the country in crisis, instead of dealing with it, he trots off for a holiday to the Baltic.
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #148
how do you explain the 20 per cent rise in 'akcyza paliwowa' income

ok I have given the wrong data - akcyza income rose about 6 per cent year to year (for the whole 2016)- but the demand for diesel grew over 20 per cent year to year in the last part of 2016 after implementing the new laws and also introducing controls on the borders - was the demand for diesel in the latter part of 2016 caused by sharp economic upturn - I guess you doubt it just like me

Overall, corruption in a post-communist society is going to be a fact of life and take some years to eradicate as it requires a change of attitude and mindset and you can't legislate for that.

if you do nothing to stop corruption is it going to stop by itself - do you think corrupt official will change their minds - some legislation is necessary simple as that
Atch 17 | 3,222
21 Jul 2017 #149
Legislation plays a part, but carefully formulated. Education plays a greater part and it takes much, much longer to change the underlying way of thinking of a society.
gumishu 11 | 5,162
21 Jul 2017 #150
Poland is simply moving towards being a totalitarian, facist police state, not a modern democracy.

please give examples of how it's moving toward a totalitarian state

Education plays a greater part and it takes much

btw how do you educate businessmen not to forge "układs" with the judiciary and goverments - how do you educate people not to be selfish?


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