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60% of Poles say Szydło's government should resign



Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #91

ridiculous performance

It was the EU that performed ridiculous. The first time in hsitory that it rejected any country's official cnadidatge and imposed one of its own chooisng. And what does a single candidate running iunpposed have to do with democracy? The EU's entire voting/appoitnment system is highly suspect and needs to be reformed. PM Szydło valiantly stood up for Poland's dignity nad sovereignty. Other countries were not so much supportive of Tusk as following Merkel's lead and adopting a wait and see approach.


Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #92

up for the job

What do you think of Morawiecki as PM? On condition that he could retain the devleopment and finance ministry posts whilst leading the governemnt.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #93

I'm for it. He understands the need for financial responsibility, and he's a much stronger person than Szydło. The problem is that I'm not sure if PiS would accept him there, as he doesn't appear to care very much for the ideological side of things - his few statements on the matter have come across as nonsense.

More to the point, regardless of his current politics, he *was* the CEO of one of the biggest companies in Poland. He's also able to speak to the international media freely in English, which would help immensely with PR.

If you want another way of putting it, Szydło is beatable, but I'm not convinced Morawiecki is right now.
mafketis 16 | 4,725    
19 Mar 2017  #94

I'm for it. He understands the need for financial responsibility

But isn't he in favor of the ridiculous regional airport boondoggle? With Chopin and Modlin running well below capacity he wants to build a giant new airport? Where is the sense of that?
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #95

well below capacity

The inforamtion going round is that Chopin is barely able to handle existing traffic and the forecast pressure will be more than it can deal with.
mafketis 16 | 4,725    
19 Mar 2017  #96

The inforamtion going round is that Chopin is barely able to handle existing traffic

According to the airport itself it has a 25 million passenger a year capactiy and flew just shy of 13 million last year.
OP Harry 79 | 13,413    
19 Mar 2017  #97

what does a single candidate running iunpposed have to do with democracy?

Yes, we ask the same question every time The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski is re-elected as the head of the politburo.

The inforamtion going round is that Chopin is barely able to handle existing traffic and the forecast pressure will be more than it can deal with.

When are you going to learn that TVPiS and Radio Maybach and other members of the PiSlamic State can get away with telling PIS's stupid lies but you're going to get called out on them every time? In 2015 Chopin handled 11,206,700 passengers. The capacity of the airport is 25 million passengers per year. The growth last year was 5.8%. lotnisko-chopina.pl/en/news/0/225/szczegoly.html
Ironside 44 | 8,293    
19 Mar 2017  #98

So it's about propaganda?

Indeed, nought else. PO doesn't have anything but propaganda. They pull their arguments from their seat in an ivory tower. They're counting on German support, German press in Poland, Soros funds or whatnot.

The bottom line is that they have nothing to offer for the populace at large. Never had but right now they don't even bother to pretend that they have.

They count on various interest groups, post-commies, benefactor of the system that are numerous and few lost souls. Would that be enough?
The play go about 15 to 25% of people who bother to go to the ballot box - frequently or less frequently. Those people aren't a one party electorate so often they're able to tip the balance in an election.

Those people (many of them) voted PO to power or didn't voted at all. Then voted PiS to power. They won't switch back to PO anytime soon, Petru's party is seen as PO sidekick and he personally has an opinion as a dumb clown.

People who are fooling themselves that PO have a fighting chance to win the next election are detached from the reality and a mind-set of the average Polish voter.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #99

With Chopin and Modlin running well below capacity he wants to build a giant new airport?

Morawiecki seems to be playing a clever game - he knows fine well that Poland doesn't have the cash to pay for such an airport, but by putting his people in positions of power relating to the 'development' of such an airport, they become his vassals. If you look at how PiS is organised, the client/vassal relationship is far more important than in PO/other parties.

People who are fooling themselves that PO have a fighting chance to win the next election are detached from the reality and a mind-set of the average Polish voter.

Given that the lead of PiS over PO/N. is barely 3% this month, I really wonder who is detached from reality here.
mafketis 16 | 4,725    
19 Mar 2017  #100

If you look at how PiS is organised, the client/vassal relationship is far more important than in PO/other parties.

PRL all over again......
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #101

And it's not a coincidence.

Look at the amount of votes that Jarosław gets every time he's 'elected' as leader.
OP Harry 79 | 13,413    
19 Mar 2017  #102

he knows fine well that Poland doesn't have the cash to pay for such an airport

He knows full well that Poland doesn't have the cash and doesn't need the white elephant. If there was any need the PiSlamic State wouldn't need to tell such pointless lies about the topic.

PRL all over again

Of course, but are you at all surprised by that? To a lot of the PiSlamic State the only problem with the PRL was that they weren't the ones who could do their shopping at hard currency shops, and for other of PIS's loyal supporters the PRL was a much better time than now because they were the ones who did their shopping at hard currency shops. Why wouldn't they want to recreate what was for them a happier time?

Look at the amount of votes that Jarosław gets every time he's 'elected' as leader.

Over 99%, isn't it? Other Dear Leaders, such as Mao and Stalin, no doubt approve.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #103

Over 99%, isn't it?

Yep. There was something like 20 votes against him last time, which was held up as an "example of democracy within PiS".
OP Harry 79 | 13,413    
19 Mar 2017  #104

something like 20 votes against him last time

Nope, there were a total of seven votes against him at his last 'election', and 1,008 supporting him. Kim Il-sung would approve (although Kim Jong-un would no doubt order the dogs to be starved ready for when he found out which seven had failed to get their X in the right box).
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #105

client/vassal relationship

Hardly a Polish invention. The hand-washes-hand scheme has been around as long as organised poltiics. One reason bureacracies are so large world-wide and there is strong resistance to their downsizing is to repay generous campaign contributors and electioneering volunteers with cushy posts. Joseph Kennedy (JFK's dad) bought himself the ambassdorship to St James Court from FDR. Just one well-known example; msot are kept under wraps and away from public scrutiny for obvious reasons.
Ironside 44 | 8,293    
19 Mar 2017  #106

PRL all over again......

Do you have any personal experience with PRL? Maybe you're some kind of express a historian on that subject? If not it mean that you very often repeat that phrase without any real understanding what you're talking about. An epitome of a shallow Yankee serotype.

[quote=delphiandomine]really wonder who is detached from reality here.[/qu
Fret no more - you're.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #107

something like 20 votes against him

An organisaiton, club or party may elect or appoint its officials the way their charter stipulateseven by flipping a coin.
It's another thing when dealing with a public body, domestic or internitonal, and in the European Council's case it was an absolute disgrace to run an unopposed single-candidate vote for chairman. The way the EC and other bodies come to power also leaves much to be desired. Before they resume banging on about democracy and the rule of law, they should first clean up their own act.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,554    
19 Mar 2017  #108

internitonal,

international
OP Harry 79 | 13,413    
19 Mar 2017  #109

in the European Council's case it was an absolute disgrace to run an unopposed single-candidate vote for chairman.

There were no other candidates, apart from a joke proposed by the same sore losers who refused to sign the communique which announced the 27:1 loss the PiSlamic State suffered and which has resulted in 60% of Poles wanting Szydlo's government to resign.

Before they resume banging on about democracy and the rule of law, they should first clean up their own act.

Care to give some examples of that is this just yet more of the rubbish that you hear on Radio Maybach and then faithfully trot out here and so you don't want to give specific examples because you know we'll just quote the figures which show those claims to be lies, just as we did with your laughable claim about "The inforamtion going round is that Chopin is barely able to handle existing traffic and the forecast pressure will be more than it can deal with." ?
jon357 70 | 12,786    
19 Mar 2017  #110

They're counting on German support, German press in Poland, Soros funds or whatnot.

All these are Germans then? This poll is from 19/3/17

PiS - 29% (-5)
PO - 27% (+10)
Nowoczesna - 9% (bz)
Kukiz '15 - 8% (-2)
PSL - 6% (bz)
SLD - 5% (bz)
Partia Razem - 5% (+2)

delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #111

If they are German, then PiS and Kukiz are Russians. Nothing more to it.
Ironside 44 | 8,293    
19 Mar 2017  #112

This poll is from 19/3/17

I don't find polls to be reliable in Poland. Particularly suspect are those polls which show such a massive surge in support for PO. I would say that is a political publicity more than anything else. I wouldn't got my hopes high if I were you.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #113

Particularly suspect are those polls which show such a massive surge in support for PO.

So you're saying that polls commissioned by an organisation controlled by the government are more likely to be authentic than those commissioned by others?

PO are nowhere near as weak as you're hoping them to be. You've forgotten that they have an iron grip on many places in local politics, and even the latest TNS poll shows that PiS are only around 6% ahead of PO/N.

If PiS were genuinely so far ahead, why would they need to worry about the elections in 2018?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
19 Mar 2017  #114

It's getting worse for PiS by the day. The latest poll released a few hours ago shows that the support of PiS is falling, along with right wing politics.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-ibris-dla-rzeczpospolitej-pis-29-proc-po-27-proc/fwbc625

PiS - 29%
PO - 27%
N. - 9%
Kukiz'15 - 8%
PSL - 6%
SLD - 5%
Razem - 5%

That means that 52% of surveyed voters would go with centrist/left wing parties, vs only 37% for right wing parties. Clearly, voters are already tiring of PiS.

No doubt the usual suspects will be along soon to explain to us why this poll is wrong.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
18 Jul 2017  #115

These are the crowds of a Polish pro-democracy protesters outside the 'presidential' palace tonight.

Like Bucharest 1989 all over again.


  • Let Poland be Poland
gregy741 3 | 1,008    
18 Jul 2017  #116

love to watch red scum kick and scream....there will be no libtard ,PO KODOMITES goverment...you can stay there with your stupid candles all year long.

time to smoke out UB,,SB trash out of judiciary system...clean Poland of this scum.

PiS - 29%

It's getting worse for PiS by the day

42% and going up,keep predicting
NoToForeigners 7 | 853    
19 Jul 2017  #117

@jon357
2.5k people from entire country. MASSIVE!!!
gregy741 3 | 1,008    
19 Jul 2017  #118

2.5k people

"people"? 60years old red scum&some dumb feminists.just put obywatele rp in youtube and listen what they got to say....old dumb 55 IQ commie "beton"

sad
jon357 70 | 12,786    
19 Jul 2017  #119

entire country.

It isn't in the 'entire country', is it... Just the bit that matters.

Nice to see you getting all riled up by the Polish pro-Democracy protestors as the PiS junta begins to fall.
Wulkan - | 3,185    
19 Jul 2017  #120

Nice to see you getting all riled

amused




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