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60% of Poles say Szyd這's government should resign


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14 Mar 2017  #1

After the PiSlamic State suffering crushing defeats in Europe last week and doing much damage to the good name of Poland, the people are starting to make their opinions clear in a new poll by IBRiS Onet.

Among the questions:
Should the government of Szydlo resign?". More than 42% answered "definitely yes" and 18% "rather yes".
Who better represents Poland in Europe: PiS or PO? More than 52% said PO and 19.5% PiS.

This really is excellent news; finally people are seeing the light and realising that all the electoral bribes in the world can't justify should an incompetent government!

Figures taken from this (Polish language) source: wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1329,title,Ten-sondaz-jest-dla-PiS-miazdzacy-Ogromna-strata-do-PO,wid,18726234,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=118c9c

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14 Mar 2017  #2

Well it's fairly obvious that their days are numbered. Her Nibs has no credibility at all and they've made complete fools of themselves over the Donald Tusk thing.
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14 Mar 2017  #3

Hey Beata!

Thanks for winning two elections for me by keeping me out of sight and pretending I wasn't going to take over the second the victory was announced. At the time I told you that you had a choice of retiring gracefully after the election or pretending to be prime minister until my cack-handed maneuvering wrecked your career. You chose the latter and now the bill has become due,

yours,
Jarek
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14 Mar 2017  #4

Well it's fairly obvious that their days are numbered.

Yes, the next elections are in 2019, they most likely won't have majority in the parliament that time.
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14 Mar 2017  #5

they most likely won't have majority in the parliament that time.

And who would enter a coalition with them? They tend to make any allies intensely regret any cooperation with them...
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14 Mar 2017  #6

And who would enter a coalition with them?

If (unlikely, given the latest revelations about him) Kukiz is still around, it's not inconceivable to see them squeaking over the line.

This really is excellent news; finally people are seeing the light and realising that all the electoral bribes in the world can't justify should an incompetent government!

To have 60% of the public want your resignation is huge, and we might finally see Jarek taking the job after all. The end of the PiSlamic State is near!

Perhaps one of their chief propagandists can explain to us why 60% of the electorate want her gone.
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14 Mar 2017  #7

There's little chance of them staying in power after the 500+ scheme ends. Hence their attempts to increase revenue to keep it going.
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14 Mar 2017  #8

Now Szyd這 must annul Poland`s Kosovo recognition if wants to win elections.
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14 Mar 2017  #9

The end of the PiSlamic State is near!

Hate to break it to you but the end of 2019 is the nearest optional date.
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14 Mar 2017  #10

The voters here do not care about that and Poland continues to recognise Kosovo.
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14 Mar 2017  #11

the next elections are in 2019

What odds are you offering on Szydlo being the titular head of the government then?

we might finally see Jarek taking the job after all. The end of the PiSlamic State is near!

That's the thing: he clearly wants to step in and is absolutely certain that he could do a better job than the Szydlo puppet, but is he realistic enough to know how hated he is in Poland and does he want to step in himself rather than just putting up another puppet which can be cast aside as needed?
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14 Mar 2017  #12

What odds are you offering on Szydlo being the titular head of the government then?

I don't care about Szydlo
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14 Mar 2017  #13

You have that in common with Kaczy雟ki!
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14 Mar 2017  #14

He cares about her a lot - met her at the airport with a big bunch of flowers
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14 Mar 2017  #15

You have that in common with Kaczy雟ki!

Yes, as long as it's not some left wing dead loss he doesn't care who it is either.
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15 Mar 2017  #16

The voters here do not care about that and Poland continues to recognise Kosovo.

Care. Care. They care. In Czech republic its important question for presidential elections. Little stimulation to mass media and government can make that issue of vital importance, because, after all, it is of vital importance. See, seams that Tusk cheaply sold Polish interests in Balkans/Central Europe. EU demanded Polish recognition and Tusk immediately obeyed. So, EU got impression that is Poland cheep.

Now, if somebody in Poland reducing Poland`s political maneuverable space it must mean two things- either he isn`t competent or he betraying Poland. We sow Tusk but, what would Szydlo do, the question is now.
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16 Mar 2017  #17

They have no chance at the next election. Bye bye.
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16 Mar 2017  #18

In any case, Poland need third political option to win on elections. This government, same as previous failed. If anything, they failed to respond to all challenges properly. EU outplayed them.
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16 Mar 2017  #19

One look at him and her and it says a 1000 words.
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16 Mar 2017  #20

EU demanded Polish recognition and Tusk immediately obeyed.

As usual you are completely wrong about Poland. The president of Poland represents Poland with regard to ratifying and revoking international agreements. The president of Poland at the time Poland recognised the independent state of Kosovo was the brother of The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski. If The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski had not wanted Poland to recognise the independent state of Kosovo, his brother would have stopped that recognition.

The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski cares even less about what Serbs want than he cares about the 60% of Poles say Szydlo's government should resign. PiS's electoral success was the result of winning the votes of 15% of Poles, so even if 85% of Poles wanted the government to resign, it's unlikely that The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski would care much. He knows that his supporters will go and vote and that most of the supporters of his opponents won't bother. That's the tragedy of the PiSlamic State: Poles overthrew a regime which won the active support of only 15% of Poles and not even three decades later Poland has another regime which won the active support of only 15% of Poles.
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16 Mar 2017  #21

PiS's electoral success was the result of winning the votes of 15% of Poles,

The question here is: why hasn't any other party which won more than 15% of votes formed a government, but let the businnes to PiS?
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16 Mar 2017  #22

The question here is:

No the question here is how long we'll be forced to read that anti-democratic, flaming, false rhetoric from someone who embraces an evil ideology that is anti-human and anti-Polish? How long this kind of erratic mind vomit gonna pollute this forum or any forum?
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16 Mar 2017  #23

how long we'll be forced to read that anti-democratic, flaming, false rhetoric from someone who embraces an evil ideology that is anti-human and anti-Polish?

It is not only this "someone". The whole gang is truly anti-democratic and if they by any chance had been promoted to top positions in Britain, I am sure they would have introduced a full dictatorship to the British nation. Luckily, they can only vent their frustration towards Poland using the PolishForums as a vehicle for that.
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16 Mar 2017  #24

The question here is: why hasn't any other party which won more than 15% of votes formed a government, but let the businnes to PiS?

The first problem is that not enough Poles either bother to vote (personally I'd support mandatory voting, or at least mandatory attendance at the polling station) or go through the hoops of being able to vote (which is easily solved by improving voter registration procedures).

The second problem is that the threshold for entry into parliament is too high, which results in a lot of wasted votes, more than two and half million at the last election.

This meant that although PIS's share of the vote was lower than that won by PO in either of the previous two elections, while PO needed to form coalitions PIS's MPs are in the majority in parliament.
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16 Mar 2017  #25

The second problem is that the threshold for entry into parliament is too high, which results in a lot of wasted votes, more than two and half million at the last election.

With this I can agree. What's the threshold in the UK, btw? Anyway, notice that if SLD didn't appoint themselves as a coalition with a required treshold of 8%, they would have been very likely to pass as a single party with a required threshold of 5%. That was their big mistake undoubtedly. If they managed to enter the Seym, PiS wouldn't have probably won the overwhelming majority which it does enjoy right now.
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16 Mar 2017  #26

A very good quote about the current government:

"There is little to be gained by trying to decipher Kaczy雟ki's plans, goals, statecraft, or ideology...What happened in Brussels was not part of any larger plan...Unlike Orb嫕, Kaczy雟ki is a paranoid fanatic, not merely a cynical opportunist...It has become clear that Kaczy雟ki will not rest until he puts Tusk in prison. This obviously poses a problem for the EU."
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16 Mar 2017  #27

Unlike Orb嫕, Kaczy雟ki is a paranoid fanatic, not merely a cynical opportunist..

Those who are authors of this quote must be fanatics themselves. They are either his political opponents or people whose brains have been seriously damaged. One can be very sceptital of Jaro, but if you read articles or interviews in the Polish press coming from reliable people of various political backgrounds, you would have never arrived at such a conclusion.
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16 Mar 2017  #28

It fits the behaviour of the current government very well indeed.
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16 Mar 2017  #29

One can be very sceptital of Jaro, but if you read articles or interviews in the Polish press coming from reliable people of various political backgrounds, you would have never arrived at such a conclusion.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Jarek knows how to play the domestic game very well (by simply repeating what the Communists did, but dress it up in "patriotic" language instead of "internationalist" language), but he's clueless internationally. It reflects the complete inability of Waszczykowski to build a foreign policy, and also reflects the inability to understand that the EU will find a way to pressure PiS in ways that he hasn't contemplated.

The biggest mistake people are making are assuming that he's a reckless idiot. He's anything but - a stupid person wouldn't be able to build a party like PiS that attracts almost fanatical support. He's spent 27 years building this cult, not just 7.

I agree that he wants Tusk in prison, but I think he's also realised that it's going to be nearly impossible to do so without a Polish Majdan taking place.
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16 Mar 2017  #30

I think he's also realised that it's going to be nearly impossible to do so without a Polish Majdan taking place.

A Polish Majdan is more likely to be against him....




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