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How strongly are Poles sure that president Duda defend Poland's interests ?


Alien 18 | 4,845
13 Jan 2024 #211
an if you want to believe

Do you think this information is false? You are brave, or even worse.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
13 Jan 2024 #212
you think this information is false?

Read my post, You do understand Polish do you?
Check the date of this announcement.
gumishu 13 | 6,134
13 Jan 2024 #213
According to Google, this was stated by the Supreme Court in May 2017 in Poland.

so it simply doesn't say so in the law - there is another interpretation of the law in question in Constitutional Tribunal rulings - which do you think are more reliable?
gumishu 13 | 6,134
13 Jan 2024 #214
this was stated by the Supreme Court in May 2017 in Poland.

I don't know if it is the case in the Polish legal system - but for example in the US the famous "Wade vs Roe" famour ruling was not so long ago overturned by a new ruling by the Supreme Court as a transgression or usurping of the competences the US Supreme court doesn't have

also the Polish Supreme Court ruling goes against what is written is some of the law hand-books - also perhaps in a while and in a similar case we will see an overturn of the ruling you have mentioned on grounds of not being a logical interpretation of the law (which means an usurpation)
Ironside 53 | 12,493
13 Jan 2024 #215
in the Polish legal system

In the Polish legal system, only the Constitutional Tribunal can rule what is and what is not constitutional and they clearly ruled in 2018 that, in that case, the Presidential pardon was fine and legit, furthermore, the President had the right to extend pardon to Kaminski before the verdict in the case was due.
pawian 222 | 23,766
13 Jan 2024 #216
they clearly ruled in 2018 that

hahaha PiS Tribunal ruled. Sorry, but they are not a legal tribunal due to double judges. You should know it.

But you don`t coz in 2018 you were still a Polish expat in the US or Canada staying there for decades.
gumishu 13 | 6,134
13 Jan 2024 #217
, the President had the right to extend pardon to Kaminski before the verdict in the case was due.

this is more or less what the law handbook I was talking about said (it says President can pardon anyone in any phase of the legal process (except the verdicts of The Trybunał Stanu) which is as much as the Polish constitution states)
Ironside 53 | 12,493
13 Jan 2024 #218
hahaha PiS Tribunal

No ha ha, because in this case, PO gov or PO whatever can go F itself and we have anarchy. Do you get it into your lizard brain of yourself what is the logical conclusion of your stance and morons like you?

Either you follow the law and legal system as it is or you don't, if you start to pick and choose, so can I and anyone else there is nothing... mind-bolding irresponsible anarchistic cretins. geez!
pawian 222 | 23,766
13 Jan 2024 #219
your lizard brain

Lizard??? Stop insulting me. I have apish brain.

Either you follow the law and legal system as it is

Exactly!! PiS didn`t follow the law when they installed double judges in the Tribunal. Wait a few more weeks to see how the Parliament annuls all the illegal decrees by the illegal PIS Tribunal. hahahaha
Ironside 53 | 12,493
13 Jan 2024 #220
I have apish brain.

you have no brain, another idiot who doesn't understand consequences and what is what. This convo is over!
Korvinus 2 | 457
13 Jan 2024 #221
It is going to take a few months.

Duda is an idiot. It doesn't matter if they end up in prison.

The president, who invited both guys into his palace and broke bread with them, can pardon them any time he wants. They could be released immediately. And, FYI, he is now vigorously "preparing" to do just that. But for this or that reason he decided not to use the instant procedure, but the one that requires the (non-binding) opinion of the Prosecutor-General (which post is now held by one of his political opponents). So even if the opinion is negative, the President can still pardon them. But has to wait for the opinion. Which he didn't have to do if he decided to use the instant procedure instead.

Because he and Kaczyński don't give a sh*it if they are in jail or not, they just want to maximize political profit from the situation. Duda transferred the case to the Prosecutor General's Office and the courts as a political ploy. Probably both convicts do not meet the conditions for pardon and will be declined. They will stay in prison, but it will be propagated by PiS and Duda that it's because of anti-Polish courts and the minister, and the True Pole Duda did everything he could.
Torq 5 | 667
13 Jan 2024 #222
Polish constitution

constitution

unconstitutional

Can't help but recall wise words of the Good Marshal... "Rzeczpospolita to wielki burdel, konstytucja to prostytutka, a posłowie to kurwy!" ... how history likes to repeat itself! ;)
pawian 222 | 23,766
13 Jan 2024 #223
Can't help but recall wise words

Because we are a country on the moon which means nowhere. :):):)

Duda transferred case to Prosecutor General's Office as political ploy.

Wow, Korvin, I am really impressed by your analysis of the situation.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
14 Jan 2024 #224
The president, who invited both guys into his palace and broke bread with them, can pardon them any time he wants.

Listen, slowpoke, I will speak slowly and in a big letter to you, OK?

The president already pardoned those two a long time ago. His pardon was challenged. So the case was sent to the proper court that has final authority according to Polish law to decide what is and what is not constitutional.

That court called the Constitutional Tribunal ruled in 2018 that the presidential pardon was valid and constitutional. It means the issue has been decided finally and no other court can legally change it or undermine it.

Simple? What is it that you don't understand?

Duda transferred the case to the Prosecutor General's Office and the courts as a political ploy.

However, I don't care what PiS does or doesn't they do not break the law as PO and Tusk do.
Saying that Duda is instigating more political upheaval is BS, if anything he is extending an olive branch to Tusk, giving him a chance to come out of the conflict without backing out and at the same time quieting emotion and political war. Ploy LOL!

That BS about some sinister plot is Tusk's answer to it - and it says FY!
You don't know how to read politics, do you?

Tusk doesn't want peace he wants conflict and escalation, and it is right into Kaczynski's alley.

-----

Can't help but recall wise words of the Good Marshal.

Politics is politics Poles are very naive in my opinion. His words were full of Sh'te and vinger, F hypocrite justifying his coupé!
pawian 222 | 23,766
14 Jan 2024 #225
That court called the Constitutional Tribunal ruled in 2018 that the presidential pardon was valid and constitutional

It ruled but without legal authority coz there were illegal PiS double judges in it then. All rulings by the illegal Tribunal are invalid.

, I will speak slowly and in a big letter to you, OK?

Yes, read what I wrote as many times as you need to understand it. hahahaha
Ironside 53 | 12,493
14 Jan 2024 #226
It ruled but without legal authority coz there were illegal PiS double judges in it then.

Who has authority and I mean a legal authority to decide if those judges were legally or illegally appointed? The very same Constitutional Tribunal and no one else. So, talking about illegal judges is just talk, you and I can say this or that it doesn't make so in the legal lawful sense but the ruling of the proper court does.

Hence, it doesn't matter if you like it or not those judges are to stay and the ruling of the Constitutional Tribunal is legitimate and final.

Anyone who says differently is breaking the Constitution - simple!
pawian 222 | 23,766
14 Jan 2024 #227
Who has authority and I mean a legal authority to decide if those judges were legally or illegally appointed?

The Parliament will annul those double judges. Simple. Then the 3 old judges from 2015 will be appointed properly. If the Pres refuses, he will break the law and will be deposed from his post. Simple.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
14 Jan 2024 #228
The Parliament will annul those double judges.

It won't, and even if it does it doesn't change the fact that all rulings of the Constitutional Court are legitimate and valid, they are the law. And who is breaking the law and the constitution now?

Tusk and his cronies and his government. Simple. For that is a prison sentence and hence ( for which I am very glad) Tusk broke the magical charm of the last 30 years when prominent politicians whatever their crime never faced prison sentences, now we have precedent, so it means there is a long line of politicians that are going to be inmates, Good!
Korvinus 2 | 457
16 Jan 2024 #229
if anything he is extending an olive branch to Tusk, giving him a chance to come out of the conflict without backing out

Probably both convicts do not meet the conditions for pardon and will be declined. Thing is, the opinion of the Prosecutor-General is in no way binding the President's hands.

Thing is, government supporters don't want these two freed so each month they spend in jail is a win. And the Prosecutor General can claim that everyone is treated equally and politicians don't get a pass. Even if President Duda finally pardons them against the opinion of Prosecutor General and the courts, Law and Justice will get to exploit their 'political prisoners' angle for a few more months. In this way both sides achieve their political gains. The only ones that lose are Kamiński and Wąsik. The former will have to suffer several months of separation from alcohol, the latter - from double meals.

Regardless, the PO-TD-L thought they'd easily make a fool of the President, but they were wrong as he - in his acuteness and cunning - had beaten them to it.
pawian 222 | 23,766
21 Jan 2024 #230
Duda was included in Dirty Dozen list of most controversial politicians taking part in recent Economic Forum in Davos:

politico.eu/article/davos-world-economic-forum-javier-milei-mohammed-bin-salman-jared-kushner/

Autocrats, blowhards and bores: The 12 bad boys of the World Economic Forum shindig in the Swiss Alps.

But Duda is yesterday's man. As the last one standing from Poland's nationalist Law and Justice party that was swept out of office last year, Duda's holding on for dear life to his own relevance, doing his best to act as a spoiler against the Donald Tusk-led government by wielding his veto powers and harboring convicted lawmakers. All of which is to say: When you catch up with President Duda at Davos, don't assume he's speaking for Poland.

Alien 18 | 4,845
21 Jan 2024 #231
don't assume he's speaking for Poland.

I never expected this from him.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
22 Jan 2024 #232
President Duda at Davos, don't assume he's speaking for Poland.

In that way, we are certain that the Tusk government speaks for German interests and if there is something that the German capital doesn't care about then Tusk follows orders from Brussels.
Alien 18 | 4,845
22 Jan 2024 #233
Tusk follows orders from Brussels

Let's hope this is indeed the case. Poland is like a child in kindergarten and Brussels is like a kindergarten teacher who should be listened to.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
22 Jan 2024 #234
Poland is like a child in kindergarten and Brussels is like a kindergarten teacher who should be listened to.
@ Alien

Well, first of all - FY you stupid MOFO!
Second of all Poland needs a proper elite, not those postcommie leftovers.
Novichok 5 | 7,853
22 Jan 2024 #235
Well, first of all - FY you stupid MOFO!

Hey, Iron, the title of the Most Disliked is already mine so you can ease off...
pawian 222 | 23,766
25 Jan 2024 #236
Duda is azholing all the time. Here, he is hugging and cuddling PIS criminals after pardoning them the second time.
Darling President, those disgraceful photos will stay with us and you until the end of our and your days. You will be known as a criminal hugger.



pawian 222 | 23,766
25 Jan 2024 #237
BTW, guys and guysses, if any of you tried to take me to court for calling Duda an azhole, let me remind you that one guy won in court against Duda after calling him an imbecile.

The same applies to my PiS gansters - I am fully entitled to use this designation coz one guy won in court against PIS after calling them an organised criminal group.

The same applies to etc etc etc. I am legally covered in all cases!!! hahahaha
All in all, fekk you, all rightist gansters and azholes! Ha!!!!!
natomemberfff
25 Jan 2024 #238
i wanna take ironside to court and others for claling me a pedo when the deifnition is hephephilia which is a completely separate term and doesnt fall under a clinical perversion or designation.

mmo-champion.com/threads/1203701-24-year-old-dating-12-year-old?p=18584057&viewfull=1#post18584057

mmo-champion.com/threads/1203701-24-year-old-dating-12-year-old?p=18584286&viewfull=1#post18584286
Alien 18 | 4,845
26 Jan 2024 #239
i wanna take ironside to court and others for claling me a pedo

You might have a hard time winning such a lawsuit.
Torq 5 | 667
26 Jan 2024 #240
let me remind you that one guy won in court against Duda after calling him an imbecile

Not exactly.

He was acquitted of the charge of slander but was found guilty of revealing a state secret. :)


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