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Historic(al) Americans and their ties with Poland/Poles


pawian 171 | 12,080
18 Jul 2019 #1
Who`s this guy? And what was his connection with Polish affairs?



Ziemowit 13 | 4,038
18 Jul 2019 #2
The picture reminds me of Thomas Jefferson. What's the difference between "historic American" and "historical American"?
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
18 Jul 2019 #3
Not Jefferson but one of his mates. :)

Historical means pertaining to history - simply speaking, sb or sth that was in the past.
Historic means famous, important in history.
AntV 2 | 175
18 Jul 2019 #4
George Washington. It's the portrait of him resigning his commission over the continental army. What makes this such an important portrait is that Washington was offered enormous power over the new nation, but rejected it.

It might be astretch to call Jefferson and Washington mates. Although they admired each other, and Jefferson was chosen to be in Washington's cabinet, their relationship became very strained over differences of how the country should be shaped. Washington was sympathetic to the Federalists, while Jefferson was strongly anti-federalist.

The only ties to Poland that I know of is that he admired Kosciuszko and had K build the west point fort.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
18 Jul 2019 #5
Yes, yes, yes. :)
Washington
Mate with Jefferson? I didn`t mean friendship. I meant they were mates in the common cause - defending American independence.
Yes, he gladly accepted the service of Kosciuszko and Pułaski - in the first photo.

Next - gender parity rulez so now a female in the second photo: (let`s see what reaction she will produce)





AntV 2 | 175
19 Jul 2019 #6
No clue...Gertrude Stein before she started looking like a man?

To put a finer hair splitting point on it....When Jefferson and Washington were getting along, independence wasn't yet gotten, so they were fighting for American independence.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
19 Jul 2019 #7
so they were fighting for American independence.

Oh, yes, thanks for it, precision must be, indeed!

No clue...Gertrude Stein before she started looking like a man?

hahaha you are malicious. No, she was the most beautiful woman of her epoch.

Look again:



OP pawian 171 | 12,080
19 Jul 2019 #8
OK, it is time to solve the riddle.

It is Helena Modrzejewska, a famous Polish actress who lived and worked in partitioned Poland, but tired of the political situation, took the deliberate decision of emigrating to the USA and was granted American citizenship in 1883.

Who is this guy?:



Huur - | 19
19 Jul 2019 #9
It is Helena Modrzejewska

Modjeska ;-)
Mother of Ralph, famous bridge designer.

but tired of the political situation

In fact - because of personalnego and artistical reasons.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
19 Jul 2019 #10
Think again. What exactly is a personal reason?
One of her personal reasons to leave partitioned Poland was that she was tired of the political situation in it.
Simple, isn`t it? :):)

Mother of Ralph, famous bridge designer.

Don`t go ahead too much, we might need Ralph for future use.
Huur - | 19
19 Jul 2019 #11
I love to think, but in historical research I give priority to sources. And yes, in this case we have notes from Helena and for example Henryk Sienkiewicz, who was one of originator her journey to America. Simple, isn't it? :-)

Notes, letters and memories are compatible - Modrzejewska just couldn't bear no longer atmosphere in artistical Warsaw, especially jealousy from other actress. Sienkiewicz quote about this situation was: "Every who steps out is hammered in head. You don't realise how I hate and contemn this harlot which is called public eye".

So even in partitioned Poland not all decisions resulted from political reasons. Simple, isn't it? :-)

My advice - don't think too much if You are not good in it :-)
AntV 2 | 175
19 Jul 2019 #12
First time I've ever heard of her. Did she work as an actress over here (the US), and, more importantly, did she use her Polish name?

The guy in the picture is Woodrow Wilson - 28th President of the US of A. The posterboy of leftist elitism. A disaster of a President--although the directive for an independent Poland in his 14 Points is a glimmer of light. Other than that, he's in Obama's company of terrible Presidents, IMHO.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
20 Jul 2019 #13
Did she work as an actress over here (the US), and, more importantly, did she use her Polish name?

She used Modjeska and she was famous and acclaimed for her Shakespearean roles though she spoke with heavy accent. There is Modjeska Street in LA.

Woodrow Wilson - 28th President of the US of A. he directive for an independent Poland in his 14 Points

Yes. He insisted on the creation of independent Poland with sea access. It was point 13. Lucky one.

The posterboy of leftist elitism. A disaster of a President-- he's in Obama's company of terrible Presidents, IMHO.

Oops, I am sorry, I didn`t intend to annoy you so much.

So even in partitioned Poland not all decisions resulted from political reasons. Simple, isn't it? :-)

Of course. But, it has always been obvious that one of her reasons for going abroad were her battles with Russian censors. Read about it on Wiki entry on the Russian director of State Theatre at the time

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siergiej_Muchanow
Your suggestion is mentioned too - frictions in her theatre team. After it, "disheartened by Russian censorship."

E,g, Russian rulers didn`t allow her to play Lady Macbeth in 1874, 3 years before emigration. Read about it in an online book Modrzejewska. Życie w odsłonach by Szczublewski. Google it because those online books have very long addresses.

Will you agree that censorship can be a political reason? I chose it as an important one, while you rejected it. Rightly? I doubt it.

Which reason was crucial - political or artistic, or both were equal, is a subject for a longer debate which would soon become boring so why don`t we move on.

Who is that woman? Very active before her retirement.



AntV 2 | 175
21 Jul 2019 #14
Not annoyed at all, I enjoy railing against leftists.

Barb Mikulski, former US Senator from Maryland or VA. She's was a bleeding-heart type. A pro-abort. I'm not certain, but I don't think she was too bad on trade, I believe she came out against NAFTA.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
21 Jul 2019 #15
Not annoyed at all, I enjoy railing against leftists.

Yes, some leftists can be really nasty. :)

Yes, Mikulski, Demo senator of Polish origin. It means that not all Polish Americans are pro republican.

Who`s that?

Hint - this is one of American presidents.



OP pawian 171 | 12,080
23 Jul 2019 #16
OK, this is William McKinley, American President wounded by a Polish Am assassin, Czołgosz, in 1901. He died a week later.

Who is that lady?:



OP pawian 171 | 12,080
23 Jul 2019 #17
Hint - She is the daughter of a famous politician.
Joker 1 | 1,458
23 Jul 2019 #18
She's an extreme left winger and fake news pundit for MSNBC that suffers from Trump Derangement Symptom... Mika Brezinski! BOOOOOO!
Lyzko 25 | 7,009
23 Jul 2019 #19
...to be precise, pawian, a disappointed office seeker.
When FDR was nearly assassinated back in '38 during a campaign stop, the Polish-born mayor of Chicago, Anton Czermak, took the bullet instead.
Sadly, there are many among us who wished it would have been the other way round.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
24 Jul 2019 #20
Mika Brezinski! BOOOOOO!

Very good! I am really impressed. Yes, the daughter of Zbig Brzeziński.

a disappointed office seeker. When FDR was nearly assassinated back in '38 during a campaign stop, the Polish-born mayor of Chicago

Sorry, I have no idea who you are talking about now.
Lyzko 25 | 7,009
24 Jul 2019 #21
Czolgosz chcial zostac kandydatem. Leon Czolgosz wanted to be a candidate for US president.

W 1938r. ktokolwiek sprobowal zabic Roosevelt'a, ale on wypadkowo zastrzelal burmistrza Chicago Antona Czermaka!
Teraz zrozumiales, pawian?
Lenka 3 | 2,000
24 Jul 2019 #22
W 1938r. ktokolwiek sprobowal zabic Roosevelt'a, ale on wypadkowo zastrzelal burmistrza Chicago Antona Czermaka!

Sorry but that sentence is not very clear
Lyzko 25 | 7,009
24 Jul 2019 #23
Indeed, Lenka.
I meant to write "KTOS sprobowal zabic.."

Too much late afternoon ZubrowkaLOL
Lenka 3 | 2,000
24 Jul 2019 #24
And you mean that he shoot the mayor by accident?
Lyzko 25 | 7,009
24 Jul 2019 #25
Precisely! Whoever that lone gunman was, he inadventently aimed at and shot Czermak, rather than Roosevelt. Pawian misunderstood the post.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
24 Jul 2019 #26
Teraz zrozumiales, pawian?

Aaah, yes.

Who?



Lyzko 25 | 7,009
24 Jul 2019 #27
Dutch Schulz (nee Arthur Flegenheimer), I think.
See, paw? The US had plenty of Jewish gangster types. Add his name to Bugsy Siegel, Louis Lepke (and Gurrah) plus a number of others.

Don't see what he has to do with Polish-Americans though.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
24 Jul 2019 #28
Dutch Schulz (nee Arthur Flegenheimer

Sorry, no. Dutch Schulz had a slightly bigger nose and wasn`t as handsome as the one in my photo. But you are close with that mobster.

The US had plenty of Jewish gangster types.

Yes, of course. I think I watched that film in 1980s. Once Upon a Time in America.
Lyzko 25 | 7,009
24 Jul 2019 #29
In that case, it must be an Italian, 'cuz Clyde Barrow and Dillinger had more W.A.S.P.Y along with ever so slightly Native American features.

If the photo's of a Mafioso, I'm stumped, sorry!

@That's right, Pawian.

I also saw that film about Bugsy Siegel and boy was he a bad one! His boys would work a guy over just like John Gotti or the like, no difference.

He even attended synagogue in a swanky Miami Beach temple. Similar to, for example, Vinnie Azzaro, wearing a cross and going
to church on Sunday.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
25 Jul 2019 #30
If the photo's of a Mafioso, I'm stumped, sorry!

This was the Polish Am gangster who terrorised Al Capone to such an extent that the latter ordered an armoured car.

It`s Henryk Wojciechowski aka Hymie Weiss.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymie_Weiss

He even attended synagogue in a swanky Miami Beach temple

Hymie was religious too.

He was nicknamed "Hymie" and "Hymie the Pole",[2] later in his career. He was Catholic, despite the "Jewish-sounding" moniker (he carried a rosary and a bible).[3]

Who is she?





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