How strongly are Poles sure that president Duda defend Poland's interests ?

You mean 2015? The sentence was appealable. Of course they were found guilty in both 2015 and 2023 but only the 2023 sentence is non-appealable (prawomocny) and that's when Duda can use his prerogative of pardon and end this nonsense.


WTF? Driver dead? For what? For his bus being broken and just standing there? What "attack on presidential column"? The bus stood there some time before the column tried to go through Belweder gate, so there was no direct contact. Trzaskowski in jail? What on earth for??? For being the president of the city in which buses break? Sorry, but you're not making any sense, Iron.


Even if the malfunction of the bus was not a coincidence (and it probably wasn't), then police/special forces have to be praised for the way they conducted the operation: the police had to enter the presidential palace to arrest the convicted criminals and ensuring that the president wasn't there when it happened was very reasonable.

If Duda hadn't decided to engage in this sad cabaret (most likely on Kaczyński's orders), none of this would have happened. PiS lost power in democratic elections, and they will either realise that or face all the legal consequences of their actions.


He and his wife have a summer house near Kartuzy, two small apartments in Sopot and about 300k euro in cash - hardly a Rotschild family! He's 66 years old, and he was the President of the European Council for five years (and Prime Minister of Poland before that). I'd say he's surprisingly poor considering all of the above.

Duda says he is " not going to rest' until they are freed

Will be a change for him as he is notoriously lazy - loves his long holidays and weekends

Funny that, that's exactly what they said about Tusk when he was in brussels, head of the EC. Source politico.eu and euro apparatchik 500 euro champagne on our dime quaffing bar rumours.

Doesn't matter. They were pardoned. The legal system is a mess but still, that court that ignores TK and the presidential pardon is just radically partisan and ridiculous.

I'm telling you that pardon is about an act they are charged with not about a court ruling.
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Rumor has it he orchestrated it and even if he didn't that dude needs to end up in jail, but that is a different matter.

They should investigate who stands behind this sabotage.
Such an attack on the presidential column is not a joke and the driver could end up dead. I say no more as I don't know the details but seems that protection services are doing a sloppy job.

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Tusk is breaking the law and the constitution brazenly. What are you talking about, PiS is playing its drama as it always has been playing, and that is why people do not believe them now, serve them right.

However, whether you like JK or not the reality is that Tusk's government and his acts are harmful to Poland in some many ways that PiS can't even hold a candle to him.

quote=Torq]ardly a Rothschild family![/quote]
he must have stashed some money for rainy hours for such times when he going to escape from Poland for good.


They should just let them serve jail time. No big deal. After all all those Tusk, ministers, and judges will have their truen with longer sentences for heavier crimes.

They are being wussies about it.

So, they could be pardoned before a proper court sentence? So the president can pardon them "na zapas"? Convenient! If that's the case then the legal system is indeed a mess.


The driver did everything by the book. He opened the door, passengers got out, he put blockades under the wheels and called for bus repair services. That was all well before the presidential column tried to leave.

Oh, well... let's see how it all ends.

They weren't.

Duda tried to pardon the two criminals, however he didn't follow the law correctly hence the 'pardon' being utterly null and absolutely void.


That is for courts to decide and as far as I know there has been no such decision.


Spot on.

It works in the US somehow, I call mess a situation when an upstart political judge can ignore the ruling of the TK.
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yes sir! lol! whatever man, I say there were.
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It going to burn, goodbye post-columnist Banan Republic!

You're free to say that.

The handcuffs disagree.

Duda and PiS are making fools of themselves - they don't have the support of the country and this will just lose them the few remnants of middle class "conservative but generally nice" supporters that they still had in October

The pardon granted before the final court ruling has been given is not legally binding. Once the final ruling has given (about December 20th, 2023), the President had ample time to pardon them properly. He declined to do so. Precisely in order to stir sh*it up, and possibly because he is too haughty to admit that he erred in his previous, failed, attempt at pardoning them.

PIS is very obviously trying to imitate the strategy that let PO stay relevant after losing 8 years ago ("waaaah, deff of democracy, such totalitarian oppression!"). However PO's electorate is much more susceptible to rousing in this way than that of PIS.

Btw, TV Republika, a very little conservative brother of the recently murdered state/party tv channel, is experiencing rapid growth. I wonder how devoted they'll be to the cause of restoring tvp to its former glory status, since they benefit financialy big time from it staying dead. Apparently the price of a 30 second commercial in Republika went from 500pln to 20k pln.

Possibly. That or simply trying to distance himself from Kaminski's camp.

Whatever his motivation, it's front page news in quite a few countries that 2 Polish MPs were arresr3d while hiding from justice in the Presidential Palace.

Not great optics for PiS or other Polish right-wingers.

When the President was away for 5 minutes.

Just Polish things.

Even worse optics doing it if the president were in residence. That would be an escalation. He's out in a year, anyway.

It doesn't reflect well on him or PiS or on the two arrested politicians and at least it's some more light amusement around the world on a busy news day.

And of course the press are sharpening their pencils for the next scandal

Foreign correspondents are unable to write any sensible news on the situation in Poland
Because of this they're non stop drunk in despair since october
S*hit is too much

Fun fact: The two arrested men were sent to women detention cells.

They're often more sensible than the media within Poland, who tend to get bogged down either with political trivia or trying to explain something away according to their point of view.


Pi wonder if that was for their personal protection.


Agreed. Though I suspect they'll be plenty more over the next year or so.

Kopernik była kobietą!
And maybe Curie -Skłodowska too!?

I think it's good that Republika is doing Ok - it's a private channel, funded by ads and I don't have to pay anyone's salary. It's a fine symbol of Poland's free press.

Exactly! Let the rabid rightists have their cesspool TV, I don`t care.


A comment from the net:
President turned his residence into a hideout for criminals.

He might pay for it coz it was a crime. That is why he was so shaky at the conference today.

Essentially another legal skirmish in a long string of ones we can expect to last until either the president gets replaced with a non-PiS one or the current carebear coalition falls apart.

But the PiSites have little public support, no money and aren't able to use taxpayers money to fund this idiocy. Once Duda sees that there are no votes in this kind of stunt he will pull back and see out his term opening obwody in small towns

This hunger strike will be over by Monday

Duda blew it completely. Everybody knows that he is planning to make international career after his last term. You know, the head of an organisation, institute etc.

Now he can forget it after today`s headlines describing his suppport for criminals.

the thing is, they are not really criminals, just victims of Tusk' vengeance


who cares?

Tusk the avenger!!!!

He does, believe me! Coz he is a narcissist. :):):)


Yes, they are, convicted by an independent court, not by Tusk.


Goddess bless him!!! Let`s say a prayer for Mr Honourable Prime Minister!!

Mutter Unser who art in Heaven , hailed be thou Name, thou Kingdom komme, etc etc

That claim about hiding is empty. How they were hiding?
There was no reason to escalate and arrest them there, they could have been arrested anywhere, at any time. LOL! That propaganda BS about hiding.

Who is the boss of the Presidential Protection Service?
A minister in the Tusk government Skurwysynski and all he needed to do was ask to stop them while the police would just collect them. Stories about hiding all those political hacks [reteding to be journalists aimed to escalate, and radicalise political conflict in Poland.

Could be to the point of a civil war.


Oh really? What do you spew BS just because it suits what you think? It is murky like with most of such issues in Polish law but two idications were ignored by the political judge - the President's interpretation and the Constitutional court ruling that supported such interpretation.

Convicted criminals should be arrested and imprisoned - there is no doubt about it, and it is not the president's role to keep them as "guests" in the presidential palace.

However...

... there is one thing that bothers me in all this story: we had so many scandals, so many politicians involved in corruption, shady "privatisation" deals, revealing classified information etc. etc. and none of them ended up in jail. Moreover, in overwhelming majority of cases there wasn't even any trial. And now, all of a sudden, two opposition MPs (who worked in the anti-corruption office) are hunted down and imprisoned like worst villains in the galaxy.

There is something suspicious about it...

Is that the only thing that bothers you?
Don't you think that making that show about Presidencial Palce was done on purpose to escalate the issue?
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Grocki - corruption - hiding behind his immunity for four years already, Giertych 80 mil theft, hiding abroad? I don't get how he could hide abroad and the take a remote part in the election and become an MP.

That PiS fault they let criminals laugh at all of us. That's why I'm not sorry for them idiots. They are incompetent fools and JK is the biggest of them all.

While Tusk is a traitor and cad.

I don't think escalating was the purpose.

The purpose was to show Duda that he is not above the law and to send him a warning in case he might want to try to block the budget (by sending it to the Constitutional Tribunal) and dissolve the Sejm. In such case there will certainly be an escalation.


How is he a traitor? He is simply a different political option than PiS (pro-European instead of pro-American).

Giving up Polish independence or what's left of it!
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It was, do you think that Tusk is an idiot? In a low IQ sense? I don't! So he knew what he was doing, rubbing in Duda's face was just a bonus. it only shows how petty Lizar is.

Duda is not a formidable opponent or a great statesman or a staunch strong character, there was no need for that BS arrest to be done this way other than to escalate the political conflict. There more sh't shows to come courtesy of Mr. Lizard.

Careful, you're regressing into your Leninist activist youth comrade. Or was it Bakunin?