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Poland's post-election political scene


Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Mar 2016 #1,471
I understood it perfectly well. It's like a sane government takes over in Germany and 3 months from now you blame mass rapes by "refugees" on them. Typical EUnuch propagandists.

POs destroyed BOR just like they did with the army and x other institutions, It will take years to clean that mess.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Mar 2016 #1,472
It will take years to clean that mess.

*years to make sure that the only people working there are PiS members.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Mar 2016 #1,473
BOR officers can not be members of any political party. Another cheap propaganda trick.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Mar 2016 #1,474
ineptitude happens again and agai

Indeed, esp. in the 2007-2015 time frame. Ineptitude, scams. nepotism, corruption, you name it.
Harry
20 Mar 2016 #1,475
you name it.

I'll name pardoning self-confessed criminals so that they can join the government, tell me when that happened in the 2007-2015 time frame. I'll name refusing to publish court decisions because the government disagrees with them, tell me when that happened in the 2007-2015 time frame. Shall I go on?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Mar 2016 #1,476
Shall I go on?

Do you ever remember anyone between 2007-2015 being appointed as the Chief of Police despite being under investigation for corruption at the time? Do you ever remember five generals leaving at the same time? Heck, do you ever remember judges from a European organisation refusing to come to Poland and refusing to have anything to do with Poland?

Another relevant point that I would like to point out is a very important reaction of several ECAHO Officials, who in response to the above mentioned facts rejected to act at any Polish Arabian horse shows at any capacity.

ecaho.org

Poland is rapidly becoming like Serbia in the 1990's.

Found an excellent summary of the "good change" of PiS.

It's a very lengthy piece, but it goes into detail about exactly how abusive this government has been so far.

przegladdemokratyczny.pl/000106-Anna-Izabela-Nowak-100-dni-zlej-zmiany.php

So what we have today? Now, after three months Poland has become a wild country, and generally unpredictable.

I just hope that we administer the medicine for this cancer quickly, decisively and with no emotion.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
21 Mar 2016 #1,477
for this cancer

Says a foreign guy about a government and President, both democratically elected by Polish citizens, both leading the polls, by far.

Making an extra income at some "NGO" lately ?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,478
Do you ever remember

Everyone knows the PO/PSL government simply ignored numerous TK rulings that did not suit their policies. Also the countless scams, acts of negligence, ill-chosen and/or mismanaged projects, oldboy cronyism have cost Poland tens of billions of złotys. But it's not what one does but what gets out into the public realm that counts. Under the protection of the sly and crafty Michnik mafia, PO negatives got downsized, swept under the rug or red herrings were dragged out to confuse the issue and take the heat off the ruling Platformers. The Michnikites are good at such tricks and ruses.

niewygodne.info.pl/artykul5/02035-Zgubne-skutki-rzadow-ekipy-Platformy-Obywatelskiej.htm

Found an excellent summary

Does she emphasise that the current government is functioning in a state of constant, aggressive siege by a ruthless, disloyal oppostion who cannot accept their electoral defeat and will go to all lengths to sabotage the democratically elected government. That said oppositon are discreditng their country in the international area purportedly to badmouth PiS, but the message being sent out into the world depicts Poland as a country in turmoil and a palce best avoided. If the oppsition ever return to power, they will be faced first and foremost with the tarnished national image they themelves have created.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Mar 2016 #1,479
Notice how Polonius demands "loyalty" from the opposition parties. It's exactly the same old tired communist propaganda - satellite parties were expected to follow the Party line even if they didn't agree with it personally.

but the message being sent out into the world depicts Poland as a country in turmoil and a palce best avoided.

Have you already forgotten how PiS ran their election campaign? The whole campaign was based on Poland allegedly being in ruins, then they took power and immediately proceeded to ruin everything.

And yes, Poland is best avoided right now until we wake up from this nightmare.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Mar 2016 #1,480
Does she emphasise that the current government is functioning in a state of constant, aggressive siege by a ruthless, disloyal oppostion

Since when, I ask once more, is the opposition supposed to be loyal to the governing party? The opposition is supposed to be loyal to the greater interests of the country and the rule of law.

You want the opposition to cheer when the government uses the consitution as toilet paper?

depicts Poland as a country in turmoil and a palce best avoided

Attacks on the rule of law and socialist voodoo economics (which will do for Poland what they did for Greece) are doing that.

how PiS ran their election campaign? The whole campaign was based on Poland allegedly being in ruins

And a newly elected president telling Polish people in a foreign country that Poland is not a just society did no help.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,481
Attacks on the rule of law

When one is in media res, one often does not see the big picture and full ramifications. The protests purport to be against violations of the rule of law and in defence of democracy. But Poland is one of a great many countires in a world full of rows, controversies and turmoil. To the outside world what will remain after the dust has setled is Poland plus or Poland minus, stable or unstable, a place to visit and do business with or not -- not this or that party or specific issue. In other words, the country's overall image is what counts, and the opposition's dogged, hysterical and ostentatious overkill has gone the extra mile to undermine it.

The Michnik mafia will try to turn things round and claim that the government is solely to blame, even though everyone knows there are at least two sides to every controversy. Those who lauded the Venice Commission's opinion somehow failed to heed what it's leader advised: Since the problem started with illicit appointments by two successive parliaments, this is an issue which should be resolved in Poland by all the poltical forces in parliament through dialogue and compromise. But Schetyna preferred to ignore that advice and go off on yet another snitching tour to conspire with Merkel and pressure the EU to issue an anti-Polish resolution.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
21 Mar 2016 #1,482
When one is in media res, one often does not see the big picture

The ends justify the means?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Mar 2016 #1,483
Well, well, well. The BOR story involving the limo is running and running.

It now turns out that new tyres were ordered and then fitted to a different car, leaving Duda to travel with old tyres.

Doesn't take a genius to work out who got new tyres and who got old tyres.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
21 Mar 2016 #1,484
Doesn't take a genius

That is rubbish and unhelpful shenanigans. That BOR people are clearly in the state of disarray and that is the problem that needs to be fixed.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,485
"loyalty"

Loyal oppositon is a British concept applied to opposition parties in the legislature to indicate that the non-governing parties may oppose the actions of the sitting cabinet while remaining loyal to the source of the government's power.

The KODerasts (KODeraści) and their ilk are prepared to tarnish the country's image, sabotage the government and destabilise the state in pursuit of their overriding aim -- return to power.
Harry
21 Mar 2016 #1,486
while remaining loyal to the source of the government's power.

Yes, they remain loyal to the queen. Here in Poland the opposition do not have to be loyal to the unelected head of state, The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski; instead they must be loyal to the Polish people, the Polish state and the Polish constitution. So when the government uses the Polish constitution as toilet paper, the loyal opposition oppose that.

Doesn't take a genius to work out who got new tyres and who got old tyres.

I wonder if we can convince the unelected head of state, The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski to also take the presidential plane.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,487
loyal to the queen

But simple decency requires them to be loyal to the democratically elected government and officially reconcile themselves to their electoral defeat. Instead, they keep trying to push the clock back to when they enjoyed a power monopoly

and elbow their way back to the feed trough by hook or by crook. Tough luck, Charlie! Maybe in 8 years they'll get another crack at it, but more likely than not they'll go the way of the UD, UW, SLD and Palikot.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Mar 2016 #1,488
I wonder if we can convince the unelected head of state, The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski to also take the presidential plane.

Funny you should say that, because the contract with LOT expires soon and the government has already made it clear that they intend to take it back under military control. Apparently the poor babies find the E-170 not lavish enough and they need something more suitable to contain their egos.
Harry
21 Mar 2016 #1,489
simple decency requires them to be loyal to the democratically elected government

No it doesn't, as PIS themselves made crystal clear during their long years in opposition, not that PIS lovers have any idea what simple decency is. And anyway, there's no obligation to show decency to common criminals, which is what the PIS 'government' is.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,490
common criminals

Too bad you don't read Polish because you could read up on PO's 500 scams, con games and muck-ups. Then you'd see what common criminals are really like.

blogpress.pl/node/7889

KODerasts

Despite the unrelenting waves of anti-governemnt attacks, the latest CBOS poll shows that PiS enjoys more support than Petru and PO combined, and Kukiz has improved his showing as well. According to politcal scientist Prof. Kazimeirz Kik, "Poles are fed up with liberalism and the mainstream. The opposition simply do not know Poles, they cannot understand why average Poles sympathise with the attacked rather than with the attackers."
Harry
21 Mar 2016 #1,491
the latest CBOS poll

I wonder why you don't link to that poll, could it be that even CBOS have PIS down by three percent since the start of this month?

average Poles sympathise with the attacked rather than with the attackers.

Yep, that's why the average Pole sides with those who defend the constitution and not those who attack the constitution and the Polish Republic.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Mar 2016 #1,492
I wonder why you don't link to that poll, could it be that even CBOS have PIS down by three percent since the start of this month?

What's interesting is that the usual pro-lifers are now attempting to bring up the abortion debate again, and Kaczyński is desperately trying to persuade the Church to back down on it. I'm looking forward to a good abortion debate, because nothing will be funnier than watching PiS tear themselves apart over it.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Mar 2016 #1,493
Pole sides with those who defend the constitution

Absolute bollocks and quite the opposite of what Prof. Kik found. He meant Poles side not with those attacking the PiS governemtn -- KOD, ex-SB types, Petru, PO, Michnik et al -- but with the besieged government. So don't feel bad that as an Anglo-alien you don't udnerstand what makes Poles tick. Kik conntends that the KOD-style oppositon also do not undertsand the bulk of their compatriots. To repeat: "Poles are fed up with liberalism and the mainstream." PiS is neither, as you well know.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Mar 2016 #1,494
of what Prof. Kik found

You mean the ex-PZPR guy that even wrote his habilitation thesis on the Spanish Communist Party and who lectured to the Central Committee? :D

Incidentally, what he "found" (or more accurately, what he was paid to find) is pretty much irrelevant. The opinion polls show that the people are on the side of KOD. 57% of Poles think that democracy is in danger - which rather contradicts what paid PiS supporters found.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
22 Mar 2016 #1,495
the besieged government

And why are they besieged? is this a normal state of affairs? Only a government with such disrespect for the law could make such a mockery of democracy.

This is going to be such fun, just like 2006 all over again.
Harry
22 Mar 2016 #1,496
Poles side not with those attacking the PiS governemtn -- KOD, ex-SB types, Petru, PO, Michnik et al -- but with the besieged government.

The weekly demonstrations show that Poles are very much siding with those who support the constitution against the illegal and unconstitutional attacks of the disciples of the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski.

Anglo-alien

I'm the one with the legal right to be here and the right to vote here. You are the alien, American.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Mar 2016 #1,497
This is going to be such fun, just like 2006 all over again.

It's going to be terribly good fun. The better weather is coming, and with it comes more and more creative demonstrations. And furthermore, KOD is organising in more and more places - and with it can only come further pressure on the government.

The only difference this time is that Jarosław looks...old. He hasn't got much left in the tank, that's clear.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 Mar 2016 #1,498
and more creative demonstrations

Damn morons, saboteurs, traitors and punks.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Mar 2016 #1,499
Hello Ironside. How nice to see that you're repeating PZPR slogans.

They used to always talk about saboteurs and traitors too.
Harry
22 Mar 2016 #1,500
morons, saboteurs, traitors and punks.

What about the capitalist wreckers and running dog EU imperialists? Don't leave them out!

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