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Poland's post-election political scene


Ironside 50 | 10,939
22 Mar 2016 #1,501
[..]PZPR slogans [..]They used to always talk about saboteurs and traitors too.

Did they? Do you remember those times? Do you want to reminiscence about those times? If not why would you bring it up? To show off? As a morsel to be thrown into people to inspire awe or whatnot? Was it something else delph, do you really think that such a cheap shot would actually work on me?

You are mistaken delph. I haven't even bated my eye, what? - I said - again that boring meaningless BS.
Now delph you're not stupid way would you say that? I'm actually curious, does it works for you often enough?
Maybe it is just a desperate move to thrown back your opponent when you have nothing to say and what more you don't know what to say?

Those people by their irresponsible and selfish action endanger security of Poland, they aim to destabilize that country and they don't care for consequences. All that just because they have lost a democratic election.

Saboteurs or morons are just very mild names for such a people.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Mar 2016 #1,502
weekly demonstrations

Every glib demagogue can get people into the streets at the drop of a hat. The Nazis and commies never had a problem with that. Does that prove said demogogue and his flock of sheepish followers right? Decibels and compliant media like the Michnik rag and TVN only show that some agenda is heavily bankrolled (by Soros, the Kremlin et al?!).
mafketis 24 | 9,385
22 Mar 2016 #1,503
Every glib demagogue can get people into the streets at the drop of a hat

I'll remember this quote on April 10.....
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Mar 2016 #1,504
quote on April 1

There's a difference betweeen holidng an anniversary gathering or even monthly ones. When fanatical agitators herd crowds into the streets on a weekly basis that causes commotion, disrupts normal traffic, disorganises nomral people's lives as well as requiring street closures, rerouting traffic and police protection at the taxpayers' expense. But what do the KOD creeps care! They only want to get back into power and will go to the costliest and most preposterous lengths to achieve their goal, even if it means engaging in sabotage and undermining Poland's international image.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
22 Mar 2016 #1,505
engaging in sabotage and undermining Poland's international image.

You are having a laugh surely Polonius?

The scum behaviour in refusing to contribute to the refugee crisis by offering money to the refugee camps was one disgrace, as was the overtly racist outcry and dehumanisation over a minimalist quota of 7,000 refugees.

As if that didn't damage Poland's image abroad enough, there is also the small matter of the attempted political rearranging the highest court in the land and messing with the media.

All known as, Poland being back in it's rightful place as the laughing stock in Europe, behind Hungary, Romania and Slovakia - but those countries aren't on the diplomatic radar anyway - Poland IS supposed to be a modern country with humanitarian values - or it WAS, until this nationalist braying mob got voted in by the illiterate in society for their short stay.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,541
22 Mar 2016 #1,506
"dehumanisation over a minimalist quota of 7,000 Migrants." As the Belgian's if they disagree with this policy of keeping Poland safe.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
22 Mar 2016 #1,507
As the Belgian's if they disagree with this policy of keeping Poland safe.

Belgium IS a modern country with humanitarian values (or it WAS a modern country with a safe international airport and a safe tube in its capital)
mafketis 24 | 9,385
22 Mar 2016 #1,508
s the overtly racist outcry and dehumanisation over a minimalist quota of 7,000 refugees.

Gotta, say as time goes on that's looking smarter and smarter....
dolnoslask 6 | 3,541
22 Mar 2016 #1,509
There are over 600,000 Ukranian refugees that need to be dealt with, Poland has it's role to play in this crisis.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Mar 2016 #1,510
Please, stop listening to PiS.

euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/ukraine-rejects-polish-million-refugees-claim/

As of January - there were 3 refugees from Ukraine and 200 under some sort of protection (presumably the Mariupol Poles).
dolnoslask 6 | 3,541
22 Mar 2016 #1,511
I listen to the European independent press

euobserver.com/migration/130016

They will be coming to Poland when the Ukraine has been carved up by Russia.
Harry
22 Mar 2016 #1,512
there were 3 refugees from Ukraine

And a couple of hundred thousand times that many who'll claim to be refugees if they need to.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
22 Mar 2016 #1,513
Gotta, say as time goes on that's looking smarter and smarter....

Rubbish. The terrorists could enter Poland any time they want:( Nothing to do with the question of refugees, and you know it.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
22 Mar 2016 #1,514
Please, stop listening

To you. You listen to anyone but Poles. Take every each side but Polish. Great friend you are.

As of January - there were 3 refugees from Ukraine and 200 under some sort of protection

If those middle eastern and whatnot people in Germany are refugees then by the measure of the same yardstick those Ukrainians in Poland are refugees too.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
22 Mar 2016 #1,515
Rubbish. The terrorists could enter Poland any time they want:( Nothing to do with the question of refugees, and you know it.

So there's nothing anyone can possible do to stop angry young muslim men from blowing things and people up? Is that your point?

It most certainly seems related to the arrest of the little miserable murderer from Paris and the Islamic State has claimed responsibility and many agents of the Islamic State have entered Europe through refugee routes. So...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Mar 2016 #1,516
You listen to anyone but Poles.

I listen to plenty of Poles, just not the type that believes that Poland is some sort of Christ-like figure.

If you said Poland took in a lot of Ukrainians, I'd agree with you, they're just not refugees. There were even some in my local supermarket earlier, but they were obviously working here and not claiming asylum.

If those middle eastern and whatnot people in Germany are refugees then by the measure of the same yardstick those Ukrainians in Poland are refugees too.

Most of them aren't genuine refugees. I prefer the BBC term - "migrants". I've been to Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania and Greece - and all of those countries are perfectly acceptable if you're a genuine refugee. Macedonia for instance might be poor, but it's a nice little country to live in.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Mar 2016 #1,517
Take every each side but Polish

Spot on! And this is hardly a one-off situation but rather par for the course!. One cannot help but notice that over the years the BB gang, aka as the Anglo-expat tag team, will always take the non-Polish side in any controversy or historical row with Jews, Lithuanians, Germans, Middle Eastern refugees and most everyone else. Probably also with the Tartars of Podlasie if some dispute emerged. That is called practical polonophobia.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
22 Mar 2016 #1,518
just not the type that believes that Poland is some sort of Christ-like figure.

What type they would be? I haven't meet anyone who believes in such a story. It belongs to the history and as such might be used sometimes as a rhetorical figure. Where did you take it from? A storage of lame excuses for a condescending dick?

There were even some in my local supermarket earlier, but they were obviously working here and not claiming asylum.

That is not the point. There is legislation and legal proceeding defining exactly to whom in what circumstances status of a refugee can be granted.

None of the people that found themselves in Greece or Germany fits a legally definition of a refugee. If so than every country can decide for themselves who is and who isn't a refugee. In that light Ukrainians in Poland can be called migrants, refugees or whatnot not just because Polish government chooses to call them so. In the same way German government chose to call illegal immigrants - migrants or refugees or asylum seekers.

The crux of the matter in the EU is that some countries/governments are trying to force onto others countries/governments in the EU their own particular definition of a refugee.

Their standing on the issue and their own reasoning is so full of holes and caveats that they resorted to hysterical propaganda.

And this is hardly a one-off situation but rather par for the course!.

Indeed.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Mar 2016 #1,519
I listen to plenty of Poles, just not the type that believes

Every country has its cynics, horse-blinkered PC types, intolerant Church-bashers Polonophobes, Western wannabes and assorted defenders of PO ancien régime
à la KOD. Rest assured that menagerie constitute but a small and unrepresentative minority. You have yet to listen to the heartbeat of the Polish nation. One wonders whether a genetic alien not steeped in the Polish language, lore, legend and belief system can ever achieve that level of ethnic awareness?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
30 Mar 2016 #1,520
Well, well. Another day, another interesting development.

The RCC, sensing that PiS relied heavily on them for the last 8 years, has now turned round and is pushing for tightening the abortion laws. They (in cooperation with PiS) want to criminalise abortion after rape, as well as criminalising abortion if the fetus is suffering from irreversible genetic damage. They also want to punish women with prison sentences for up to 5 years for undergoing an abortion.

Meanwhile, Kaczyński has been trying (and failing) to convince the bishops to back off on the abortion project. Anti-abortion campaigners on the other hand smell blood - they know that PiS have the parliamentary majority and it would be politically nearly impossible for Kaczyński to refuse a direct request from the Episcopate on the matter. Anti-abortion campaigners are putting together the signatures needed for a citizens initiative to be brought up in front of the Sejm.

Obviously - this is going to cause a lot of anger and will destablise PiS from within. PiS cannot afford to enter into conflict with the Episcopate, but nor can they afford emotions going sky high as a result of criminalising women for having abortions.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with this.
Chemikiem 7 | 2,509
30 Mar 2016 #1,521
The RCC, sensing that PiS relied heavily on them for the last 8 years, has now turned round and is pushing for tightening the abortion laws.

Yes, they only want to allow abortion if the mother's life is considered to be at risk.

They also want to punish women with prison sentences for up to 5 years for undergoing an abortion.

According to this article that's for individuals found guilty of performing abortions illegally :-

afp.com/en/news/polish-catholic-church-calls-total-abortion-ban
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
31 Mar 2016 #1,522
That article also points out exactly how Kaczyński has a dilemma over this whole thing. I'm surprised the RCC has gone for it, but perhaps this is their payback for allowing priests to blatantly support PiS over the years.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
31 Mar 2016 #1,523
It'll be interesting to see what happens with this.

Not interesting - disgusting.

Another episode of Poland being dragged screaming into the 20th century - a full 100 years behind more enlightened countries in so many ways.

Meanwhile, the labrador will continue to be walked and entertained, off his lead, but womens' fundamental rights to pro-choice will be ridden roughshod over in this scum conservative post communist world that some Poles want to return to.

The real people to blame are the Radio Maria listening women who genefluct before these criminal "catholic" priests, who are misrepresenting the Gospels and spreading hate.

There is never ever an answer to the question of abortion - so let those who will, do what they have to do, just as we all do as we please in our own anarchic way. If somebody wants to kill their unborn baby at an early stage, that's their regret, and their business, and they are judged by Him, not by some pathetic NeoCon government, whose members never have to worry about the scenario of (poor mum to dad) " Don't give the fecking baby lard again, you fecking idiot."

(Angry anti- PIS clergy) Rant over.

If somebody wants to kill their unborn baby

My shame - and the shame of these scum who support this Bill. I meant "Is more often than not desperate and feels she has little alternative."

No woman in the world says " I'm bored - what shall I do today......I know! I'll go and have an abortion! That'll be a laugh."
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
31 Mar 2016 #1,524
Not interesting - disgusting.

That too. Still, it's almost certainly going to cause PiS to have serious problems politically. The latest figures show that more than half of Poles support liberalising the current law, so they would be acting entirely against the opinion of the general public.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Mar 2016 #1,525
more enlightened countries

Apparently your definition of "more enlightened countries" are those places known for early alcoholic, nicotine, drug and sexual initiation,* more family break-up, more kids living in fatherless homes, higher HIV rate, more ODs and other such "progressive advances".

*According to that calculation, the most "progressive" and "enligthened places on earth are prisons. Nowhere else does one find such a large concentration of people with records of early initiation in all those areas.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
31 Mar 2016 #1,526
So, Polonius, tell us : are you in favour of tightening the law?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Mar 2016 #1,527
tightening the law

The compromise law now in place allows abortions in such cases as danger to woman's health and life, seriously deformed foetus, pregnancy resulting from incest and rape. I think it should be maitnained. But I would favour tightening and vigorously enforcing penalties for illegal backroom abortionists and the owners of abortion mills. Also no abortions for minors udner 18 without parental consent.

The morning-after abortion pill is highly toxic especially to juveniles and can cause permanent sterility and other health issues. It should therefore be available only by prescription.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
31 Mar 2016 #1,528
The morning-after abortion pill is highly toxic especially to juveniles and can cause permanent sterility and other health issues.

LOL. That's why it is called "the morning after pill." By the time the woman had hesitated about arguing the toss with the doctor, it would be too late.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,957
31 Mar 2016 #1,529
pregnancy resulting from incest

Also no abortions for minors udner 18 without parental consent.

logical as ever, Pollie.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Mar 2016 #1,530
the morning after pil

Health Minister Radziwiłł noted that 15-year-olds repeatedly take such pills totally incognisant of their adverse, long-range effects. A doctor would warn the teenager of them but an over-the-counter chemist will not.

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