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Poland's post-election political scene


Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
16 Mar 2016 #1,441
I'm confused

The man is barking - and digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.
I thought lawyers were trained to keep quiet on occasion. The nationalist clown Kaczynski is is going to cop for it.
This is great stuff:)
gregy741 4 | 1,204
16 Mar 2016 #1,442
. Macierewicz on the other hand is Macierewicz, and therefore he can do what he wants without consequence.

sure..but i hoped he would wise up ,and stop those conspiracies with Smolensk,once becoming MOD minister.he doing huge damage to Polish foreign diplomacy.no mention hes alienating voters at home.i dont get it,why grow up man would talk such rubbish.it almost looks like sabotage within PIS.

latest .he said .Poland was victim of terrorism cus Russia killed president in Smolensk..ect.he has to be removed somehow. tho i doubt ,Szydlo is powerful enough
mafketis 24 | 9,384
16 Mar 2016 #1,443
sure..but i hoped he would wise up

No. You fantasized that he would. Hope is based on some kind of evidence. Absent that, you're just thinking "Wouldn't it be great if Macierewicz stopped taking those crazy pills?"

He already knows what he thinks happened and will not accept any evidence to the contrary. The oppression of Poland by Russia is his religion and religious belief is not generally vulnerable to contrary evidence.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Mar 2016 #1,444
he doing huge damage to Polish foreign diplomacy.

He's the wrong man in the job. He should have been given some sort of unimportant ministry with special responsibility for Smoleńsk, not the Defence ministry. Anyone that's followed his political career knows that he's always been somewhat confrontational and difficult to work with - he won't listen to Szydło or Morawiecki telling him to lay off, and he's one of the very few within PiS that could stand up to Kaczyński.

I read somewhere an opinion by one right wing blogger suggesting that Macierewicz has been working for the Russians all along. Nothing would surprise me...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 Mar 2016 #1,445
an unelected individual

Unelected? You mean, according to you, he wasn't elected to the Sejm and just walked in off the street and took a chair?!
Ironside 50 | 10,939
16 Mar 2016 #1,446
I'm confused

Yet bold. I would advice you to take a cold shower for your confusion and restrain yourself from making statements that reek of BS, lies and slander.

The man is barking - and digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.

Nah that would be you!

huge damage to Polish foreign diplomacy

Well you could be right, on the other hand it could be a good impulse for Russia to give back what is not theirs to keep.

Nothing worked so far maybe a direct and brutal approach will.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Mar 2016 #1,447
Well you could be right, on the other hand it could be a good impulse for Russia to give back what is not theirs to keep.

You honestly think that Mother Russia is going to care less about what Macierewicz says?

I'm waiting for him to try some operation to liberate the wreckage and for it to end in humiliating failure, Bay of Pigs style.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
16 Mar 2016 #1,448
You honestly think that Mother Russia is going to care less about what Macierewicz says?

After all who is making all that noise, local village idiots and Russia. Idiots are idiots but it must have hurt Russia. I wouldn't do that in his place but then I'm not M. and I'm not in his place.

Just looking at it form a differed angle, if PiS gorvbemnt stand firmly behind it then it is kind of pressure on Russia. What's the harm in putting some pressure on them?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 Mar 2016 #1,449
end in humiliating failur

Indeed, you and your Anglo-expat ilk and the KOD creeps are all out to humiliate Poland internationally no matter what. They've already snitched and pressured the EU to undermine the Polish government's law-enforcement reform. What's the next target: 500+? Maybe the complaint should be lodged with the UN this time just to give the anti-Polish hysteria more international spread.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
16 Mar 2016 #1,450
They've already snitched and pressured the EU to undermine the Polish government's law-enforcement reform.

May I remind you that PiS went to Washington to try and convince them to interfere in the Smoleńsk investigation?

More to the point, the Venice Commission was invited by the government.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 Mar 2016 #1,451
interfere

Not to interfere but to assist.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
17 Mar 2016 #1,452
The latest poll :

Nowoczesna : 29.6%
PiS : 27.3%
PO : 16.2%
Kukiz'15 : 7%

m.newsweek.pl/sondaz-ibris-poparcie-dla-partii-politycznych-nowoczesna-wyprzedza-pis,artykuly,376891,1.html

No other party would gain representation in the Sejm.

Voters are clearly, clearly unhappy with the refusal of PiS to publish the decision of the TK as well as the behaviour of Macierewicz over the last few days, including his insults towards America and nonsense about electro-magnetic weapons.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
17 Mar 2016 #1,453
clearly unhappy

Arern't you the one who always scoffs at such surveys as unreliable? One wonders how many Petrudollars Soros forked over to persuade the pollsters to provide "politically correct" results?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Mar 2016 #1,454
? One wonders how many Petrudollars Soros forked over to persuade the pollsters to provide "politically correct" results?

One could equally wonder about PiS, given that the extent of the fraud surrounding the SKOKi is now coming clear and that the money has been poured into subsidising the right wing media outlets controlled by PiS.

Another day, another story of sheer incompetence by PiS.

This time relates to the story concerning the accident that Duda had on the A4. Far from being any conspiracy involving assassinations, it turns out that the accident was entirely because of the total uselessness of his staff.

- They used a tyre on the car that was at the end-of-life and should have been disposed
- They used the car on an off-road section (the car isn't designed for such use)
- The driver ignored repeated warnings that there was a problem with the tyre
- The car was being driven for a long time at high speed, something it isn't designed for
- BOR covered up these facts and attempted to blame the previous government instead

One also has to wonder why the President feels that it's appropriate to be driven around at high speed on open public roads.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
18 Mar 2016 #1,455
why the President feels that it's appropriate to be driven around at high speed on open public roads.

Someone told me that vehicles on diplomatic plates can override the speed limit in Poland? Shirley not?

And from the moment I saw that vid it was clear to my trained eye that the car was surpassing 130 k.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Mar 2016 #1,456
attempted to blame the previous

Tyres do not wear out in a matter of months, esp. a super-duper. heavy-duty, high-securty tyre that can resist bullets. It was surely a hold-over from the corrupt. scam-ridden PO regime.
mafketis 24 | 9,384
18 Mar 2016 #1,457
scam-ridden PO regime.

And neglecting to check and change the effing tires (it's not like they're invisible) is an innovation of the cack-handed, incompetent PiS regime.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Mar 2016 #1,458
The worst thing is that the tyre was already marked for disposal, but they needed a tyre urgently and failed to have a sufficient supply of tyres on hand. There's also no excuses for driving the car at high speed when it's not meant to do it, there's no excuses for taking it off-road when it's not meant to do it and there's no excuses for ignoring in-car warnings about the condition of the tyre.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
18 Mar 2016 #1,459
the tyre was already marked for disposal

In spite of you being genetically anti-PiS, I think you are right in your last post. It is now evident that BOR tried to sweep the affair under the carpet through blaming the preceding government for this accident. Plus they were praising the driver a lot which may be yet another piece of proof for trying to turn attention away from their failures.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Mar 2016 #1,460
It is now evident that BOR tried to sweep the affair under the carpet through blaming the preceding government for this accident.

You know - I actually think the entire BOR should be fired and replaced with a brand new team headed by someone from abroad with experience in the special forces and governmental security, or perhaps a Pole that has done it abroad for foreign governments. It's now clear after two major incidents that they are totally unfit for purpose - not just the management, but the ordinary protection officers too.

I used to wonder why Kaczyński used/uses a private security company, but now it makes perfect sense.
Harry
18 Mar 2016 #1,461
One also has to wonder why the President feels that it's appropriate to be driven around at high speed on open public roads.

Possibly he's getting some practice of the feeling ready for his post-office years of being driven from prison to court and back again with other criminals?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Mar 2016 #1,462
someone from abroad

Why from abroad? Let people from Poland cash in. Suffice it to re-hire the SB-trained body guards from the Kwaśniewski and Tusk era. Those VIPs made it through their terms without incident.
mafketis 24 | 9,384
18 Mar 2016 #1,463
the Kwaśniewski and Tusk era.

And some others in that era.... didn't make it through without incident.

static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/bc/08/bc086fae-d035-4dd3-b5ec-354eded29f08
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Mar 2016 #1,464
Why from abroad? Let people from Poland cash in.

Culture, Polonius. You want to create a whole new protection team that thinks and behaves in a different way to the current generation of utter failures.

Wouldn't you prefer some hard-as-nails ex-Navy SEAL commanding them, someone that takes no nonsense and knows what he's doing and who has integrity by the bucketload?

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/245371,Security-chief-will-not-lose-job-over-presidential-tire

This is madness. Through his inept leadership, he put Duda at harm - and he's going to keep his job?

Absolutely illogical, and shows the entire problem of having these people being political appointees rather than professionals.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 Mar 2016 #1,465
he's going to keep his job

If he lost his job, what would D say? "Another PiS purge!"
With inveterate, knee-jerk PiS-bashers on cannot win. It's in their genes and blood. All one can do is pity those horse-blinkered fools.
How many mroe PiS bashes have been scheduled for today before nighty-night?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
19 Mar 2016 #1,466
If he lost his job, what would D say? "Another PiS purge!"

I'd say "good, let's hope they appoint someone that knows how to protect people next".
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 Mar 2016 #1,467
they appoint someon

You would support it only if they appointed a PiS-basher like yourself.
jon357 66 | 17,068
20 Mar 2016 #1,468
Absolutely illogical, and shows the entire problem of having these people being political appointees rather than professionals

Basically yet another mess by Jaro and his gang of wing nuts. The horror is that this same ineptitude happens again and again; basically a repeat of their disastrous (but fortunately short) term of office.

If a president (albeit a puppet one) is put at risk in this way, imagine the disdain they have for the rest of us.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Mar 2016 #1,469
Basically yet another mess by Jaro

You mean Jaro has been destroying BOR for past 8 years ?

For the benefit of readers outside Poland please use proper names for politicians. That includes you too, jon357
jon357 66 | 17,068
20 Mar 2016 #1,470
Looks like you misunderstand the whole thread again. A natural PiS supporter.

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