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PiS to impose blanket retail tax in Poland


Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
22 Jan 2016 #151
Maybe those directly concerned should be consulted

We (and that is not you Polonius - for you don't work here) already have to put if with the ridiculous "Mid-week bank holiday" - as in where May Day falls on a Tuesday and Constitution Day 2 days later on a Thursday.

As a result the whole of Poland shuts down for a week. Yet Szydlo bleats that Poland is a poor country........ You really couldn't make it up. Poland wants to be like Greece. People want to be lazy, and call it "tradition" and won't modernise. Set the "feast days" for a Monday. End of.

In the meantime freelancers like myself are denied income. The tax man still commeth however with queries as to why my monthly earnings are lower.

Only in Poland and other catholic "states." Archaic nonsense, and totally hypocritical when Szydlo has the temerity to lecture on the needs of the poor.

Let them work when they so choose woman!
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016 #152
"In the meantime freelancers like myself are denied income" dougpo nip back to the UK and make a bag of cash you can come back later and take it easy loads of poles are doing this.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
22 Jan 2016 #153
nip back to the UK and make a bag of cash

My efforts are directed here Dolno. I'm going the other way:) Retiring to England to the historic pile and to be a drain on the NHS :) If it exists after Cameron's repeated attacks.....

I mean, you have a great home here in a beautiful area. But what happens when you get old? My nearest suffered a dreadful accident and is in a unit - probably for the rest of his life. We all know that in Poland he would be locked up and forgotten. In the UK he is taken out, fed and watered, and actually cared for pretty decently.

All on the NHS. He's paid in all his life, and now they look after him. Here, we pay in all our lives, and get shat on.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jan 2016 #154
May Day

The Mayday thing is especially uneconomical together with Constituion Day one day apart. No matter when they fałł (the worst is on a Tuesday & Thursday when some take a 9-day weekend!) that whole week is quite mucked up. Maybe It'd be best to scrap the commie-inspired 1st of May holiday and keep only 3rd May. For the benefit of the Millers, Biedrońs and Harries they could say it has been consoldaited with 3rd May.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016 #155
"Retiring to England to the historic pile and to be a drain on the NHS" Im sorry Dougpo I understand completely, Poland is no place to be old and sick, without a pile of cash.

My plans are (Once I reach retirement age) is to get a place in Portugal , or Spain, after which, when we can't cope, return to the UK. and as you say "get sorted on the NHS" ,.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
22 Jan 2016 #156
Here, we pay in all our lives, and get shat on.

Never a truer word spoken. Im undecided as yet. A proper dip in the uk property market might convince me as presently yields are awfully low for the red tape you need to jump through. I certainly wouldnt rely on a state pension here in Poland, but you can set aside for that. Health is another matter, emergency services are truely awful especially for elderly as you say. My grandmother fell into their hands recently and had no chance.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
22 Jan 2016 #157
Maybe It'd be best to scrap the commie-inspired 1st of May holiday and keep only 3rd May

Happy that we agree. Unfortunately, the Workers' Revolution is alive and kicking in Poland and (some) people are, as I suggested........

......lazy.

They would never give up their commie Majowka.
NocyMrok
22 Jan 2016 #158
"Retiring to England to the historic pile and to be a drain on the NHS

Understandable. Funny thing about Brit saying anything like this is that we Poles are called being of "beneficiary" mindset when going to UK :)
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016 #159
" dip in the uk property market might convince me as presently yields are awfully low for the red tape" what red tape, you can get 6% minimum, without taking into account the asset appreciation.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
22 Jan 2016 #160
I

we Poles are called being of "beneficiary" mindset when going to UK :)

Yeah...and you got to use our (genuinely) free NHS.
Until she was hospitalised, Inever ever let my daughter be diagnosed by the disgrace that passes for NSZZ staff in Polish children's clinics. It would be hilarious, if it weren't criminal, that the very same doctors who worked in State health centres in the morning would put on a concerned face later on in their own clinics, but at least it was in their interests for your child to actually get well, and be a "repeat customer"

In the UK as in a normal society, children to the age of 18 go free.Zilch to pay.
Poland has always been a very bad joke, because the populace puts up with such nonsense, as with the concept of pay ZUS, but pay again for your child's welfare. And it will never improve, because of the ridiculous working practices in Polish healthcare.

And don't get me started on the right wing attitudes of the doctors, as they line their pockets and sneer.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
22 Jan 2016 #161
London is about 3% now and top outside that about 5%. Im talking top location where resale is a matter of a couple of weeks. In terms of outlay theres is a chasm in price and what you can buy. Here in Poland you can get 9-10% on a long term commercial, thats before squeezing the offer price which i think this year you will be able to do. The capital return aspect should start to outperform within 5 years and run between 5-10% for the following 5 years.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016 #162
"Poles are called being of "beneficiary" mindset when going to UK" no need to feel that way as EU citizens poles are entitled to use all of the NHS facilities, and of course this is reciprocal for a brit in Poland,
polishinvestor 1 | 362
22 Jan 2016 #163
NocyMrok if you have paid hundred of thousands into the system, you are entitled to claim. The problem comes when someone tries to claim from day 1, without ever having contributed.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
22 Jan 2016 #164
"Poles are called being of "beneficiary" mindset when going to UK" no need to feel that way as EU citizens poles are entitled to use all of the NHS facilities, and of course this is reciprocal for a brit in Poland,

We have no entitlement here, except in some defined circumstances. For instance, every child is covered one way or another. But hypothetically speaking, Jimmy the builder from the UK turns up here - he has no automatic right to any treatment without paying ZUS or joining the NFZ as a private patient.

Poles in the UK need to contribute too, but because the UK has a complete mess when it comes to organisation, they simply aren't checking whether EU citizens are entitled or not.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
22 Jan 2016 #165
Jimmy the builder from the UK turns up here - he has no automatic right to any treatment without paying ZUS or joining the NFZ as a private patient.

Exactly. Or paying 90 zl a month for Medicare:)

they simply aren't checking whether EU citizens are entitled or not.

LOL. I had a stand up argument a few years back in Kingston On Thames Norbiton Hospital Trust, when I broke my arm and the A and E wouldn't register me because I couldn't remember my Post Code.

Daft as daft is. I never said only the Polish system is ridiculous.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016 #166
"he has no automatic right to any treatment without paying ZUS"

EHIC will cover 3 months , UK jobseaker abroad will cover 6 months , signing on in poland will pay for ZUS (For how long i don't know) but without cash benefits.

My granddad used to sell a cow if someone in the family got sick, but those were the old days in Poland, I keep my cows in the bank nowadays.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
23 Jan 2016 #167
My granddad used to sell a cow if someone in the family got sick

Did the cow come to visit sometimes with it's new farm family?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
27 Jan 2016 #168
Latest news : the tax is also going to cover petrol stations, meaning an instant 1.9% extra tax on the price of petrol.

Looks like far from being the supporter of the "common man", PiS are finding ways to hurt the working poor as much as they can. Many poor people live in places with little to no public transportation, and having to pay an extra 2% for fuel just so they can get to work is a slap in their face.
dolnoslask
27 Jan 2016 #169
having to pay an extra 2% shouldn't be a problem, price of fuel has, gone down, Public transport in the sticks is pretty good we have six runs up and down the lane everyday.

People who do not have cars thumb a lift, everyone stops to give them a lift, young women and kids can thumb a lift with no fear. of crime
polishinvestor 1 | 362
27 Jan 2016 #170
dolnyslask the town you speak of is called Asbourne, except that is in the Peak District in the UK. We have dealings all over the dolnyslask but I cant say I have come across such a town as the one you describe. Some rural towns on the whole have high unemployment with a high crime rate (phenomenal drink driving figures) and a drunk or two sitting on every council bench.

As for fuel, oil is now up 15% of its lows and given the weak zloty, the price of petrol in Poland will rise twice as fast as it came down.
gumishu 12 | 6,082
27 Jan 2016 #171
Only in Poland and other catholic "states."

haven't you heard that unemployment in Poland is 11 per cent
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
27 Jan 2016 #172
Poland has always been a very bad joke,

Shut up, disgusting psychopat.
dolnoslask
27 Jan 2016 #173
polishinvestor

"phenomenal drink driving figures" Correct like britain in the 70's

"and a drunk or two sitting on every council bench. " correct usually non violent, have you tried speaking to them?

"high crime rate" wrong only petty if any.

The town you speak of is called Asbourne," You live in Jelenia Gora or nearby, I am shopping there tomorrow, show me where me and the wife dare not walk.

I could take you back to the UK where I grew up , bet you would't walk there.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
27 Jan 2016 #174
Then is then, now is now.
I try to avoid contact with bench warmers as all they are looking for is 2zl for a loaf of bread. Of course when they get it they run off and by cheap wine. I once offered one some fresh bread and he threw in down on the ground in disgust.

As for Jelenia Gora, I have moved away from there but really its a hot bed for crime in the region. In the city itself avoiding evening walks down ulica grodza is paramount, especially where the lockups are. This is known as the bermuda triangle of jelenia gora, stuff there disappears never to be seen again.

Petty depends on who is in questions. The guy that steals a can or beer or a yoghurt for 3zl might not think much of it but if 5 or 6 people do it every day then thats 1000zl losses for the guys shop. Now thieves arent stupid they now go for chocolate and coffee which is expensive and easy to przehandlowac (brillant word) for alcohol. Here you are talking about losses of 10-15zl a pop. So it adds up. Not so far from Jelenia Gora is a small town where locals took apart an old council building, literally raising it to the ground. Many of those involved were gypsies but just as many natives looking for a quick buck. You cant fault the enterprise just why cant these people apply it to an everyday job.
dolnoslask
27 Jan 2016 #175
" but if 5 or 6 people do it every day then that's 1000zl " So you agree all quite petty, not like getting mugged or stabbed as I have in the UK.

Yeah stuff does disappear in Poland, but you are less likely to lose your health or your life.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
27 Jan 2016 #176
having to pay an extra 2% shouldn't be a problem, price of fuel has, gone down

Shouldn't be a problem for who? That 2% is going to be applied regardless if fuel is 3.77zł or 5.77zł.

More to the point, PiS never mentioned anything about "taxing fuel". They talked about taxing big foreign retailers, not taxing Marek who needs the car to drive to work.

Just shows how PiS are really the party of the elite.

Oh my. Polonius, are you some sort of adviser to the government? :D

gf24.pl/pis-ustawa-zakazac-podnoszenia-cen/

The government wants to ban raising prices in the shops by law.

Do we really need any more proof that PiS = PZPRbis? Fixing prices is straight out of the communist rulebook!
dolnoslask
27 Jan 2016 #177
" PiS never mentioned anything about "taxing fuel". " neither had many other newly elected European governments , so whats new delph, they all come out with some money grabbing plan, look at the UK raiding pensioners pots (I think they got the idea from poland) remind me who robbed the polish pensioners, genuinely i can't remember.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
27 Jan 2016 #178
neither had many other newly elected European governments

Doesn't excuse them taxing the hell out of the most vulnerable in society. This is an effective 2% VAT increase, just covered up in the guise of a 'retail tax' that will actually punish ordinary people.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Jan 2016 #179
+2% on VAT??? Poland has one of the highest rates in EU! For sure, the poor will buy a bit less but honestly, anything new in the sun? In Poland, the poor are dirt poor (I am shocked) whoever is in office so why would it be now different? On Monday, someone fascinated by Petru told me that the poor would be hurt if the 500 ZL kid's allowance was implemented because the poor would use the money to buy wodka... It makes me "laugh" when banksters such as Petru and consorts who are responsible for dirt povety in Poland (and elsewhere) use the poor as hostages. No, Mr. Petru and your clique, if poor families in Poland could get 500 ZL more per month, a lot of Polish kids would be better fed and enjoy some of the pleasures money allows.
dolnoslask
27 Jan 2016 #180
"Doesn't excuse them" I agree, but they all do it, so who was it that robbed the polish pensions, if you don't help i am going to have to google, and it bores me and it might be wrong.


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