Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment?

If we are going to discuss the possible dangers of toxic substances being realeased into the Baltic as a result of Nord Stream, shouldn't we also be discussing the toxic substances that Poland is currently pumping into the sea.

Afterall, if we only considered only one of these to be of importance and not the other then we would surely be guilty of gross hyprocracy. Wouldn't we.

Poland builds new sewage treatment plants make spearte discussion about that. We can discusse it there.


I will ask in different way. Are you supporter of SPD CDU NPD .... ?

Don't give us crap! You don't care about the environment of the Baltic Sea...you care only about the Nord Stream NOT being build!

If the containers of these toxic chemicals are corroding they will certainly leak in the future and the toxins will get into the environment.
Wouldnt the better course of action be to attempt to prevent this by clearing the areas? As long as it is done with the correct procedure i would rather they attempt and fail than never attempt at all.

It is experts opinion.


we build new sewage treatment plants and honestly polution form factory (every country polutes in some way rivers) isn't the same as polution form Chemical weapons.

Bratwurst talking about Shield when Germany support this poroject.

So Germany is being nice to Poland - could Poland give something back please?
(Oh and please stop your hypocritical whining about the environment!)

nord-stream.com/154.html

Nord Stream plans to do more FOR the environment of the Baltic Sea than Poland ever did!

For this I believe we must look to "Communist Poland's" upkeep,looks as if "Poland" is showing concern now that they are back in control.

yes and later they will polute our Waters by Chemical Weapons.

We have enourmous income form tourists on baltic coast. It is very clean baltics coasts. Poland isn't big industrial power ...

so please stop posting such propaganda.

Excuse me but parts of the Baltic Coast belong to Germany - we have
an interest in that too.
Stop being pretending you are the only one concerned!
(Of course only when the topic is the "demonic" Nord Stream...)

Of course ... that is why we want to sit down and discusse if this project has or not influence on our sea. Swedes want to do it as well. This project is controversial not only because of politics. You know we have tourists industry in Poland and we are concerned about this project.

Lets wait for new researches in this issue.

form German newspaper

Bratwurst we need to sit down and talk about it. Pollution form towns are not pollution form WMD.


and experts opinion.

That's why it's time to clear up those WMD's...I trust Germans to be able to do that!

What do you prefer?

Quietly rusting poison - waiting to leak (it's just a matter of time after all)

Or lifting and securing them by professionals with high-tech?

The fact is that it isn't only business between Germans and Russians.

We need to sit down take experts, make analises, check all possible technologies.

I am not expert and you are not expert.

I have seen different opinions about this weapons... it is serious issue and we need to discusse it. If something goes wrong ... you know what kind of money WE (Poles Swedes Germans, Estonians) are going to lose.

Who is going to pay for it ? What kind of money ? If we realy need to build it throught balitc ?

I take it you don't aggree with CWC experts?

The long-term environmental threats can be considered as significantly lower as compared with the risks of lifting the corroded items, transportation and destruction according to the current workplace safety and environmental protection standards as required by the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).

assuming that is actually doable.

why was the overland route rejected?

We could take the money Russia and Germany save since they don't have to pay Poland anymore for using their territory for the over-land-pipeline!

(It's alot)

:)


Actually I think the nail in the coffin was the detoriated political and diplomatical relationships between Germany and Poland under the "terrible twins".

The scenario that Poland due a power struggle uses their position to manipulate and force Germany was not so unthinkable anymore...
We lost the trust in Poland to secure our energy!

There are other reasons for it though:

nord-stream/importance.html

you talk like that on PF, but firstly we want to know everything. It is not about money

as to economical aspects we all know that this project is more expenisve than this build througth land.

russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Business+New+Europe&articleid=a1201166714]




AND IT IS DANGEROUS FOR NATURAL ENVIROMENT.

Well Russia and Germany are paying...so what!
If we think it's worth it - what's it to you?

WHY German and Russia want to pay more ? Why you want to build project dangerous for enviroment. Why do you want to have more expenisve gas in Germany ?

Why it is woth it? what kind of profits are you going to have ?

Bratwurst, do you think Putin may be doing this just to keep control over Poland?

They are firms who have to calculate...at one point they must have come to the conclusions that all the invested work and money will pay off - they are capitalists, they wouldn't do it if it wouldn't be a plus deal in the end.

And the environmental issues well be tackled!


That would be a question for Putin...

I will end this discussion in this point:


Russia is Russia ...

but Germany our ally form EU and NATO ?

We will see what will happen.

You are not very forthcoming yourself...only ever demanding!
Poland knows exactly the concerns of Russia and Germany about the US missile shield and still...so there!

Russia is not member of nato and Germany support this project.
(from link I have posted before)


So what is your problem ? Merkel supports this idea. You want shield but not in Poland ?

And??? Even she supports it only if it's working together with the NATO and bringing the Russians in so that they don't feel threatened if Poland still demands it to be build - that does not mean Germany likes it!

Be glad Merkel is so friendly with the US, the next chancellor may be more of a Schröder!

And about Nord Stream: What's your problem!
You have nothing to do with it anymore....

When Poland decides to go her way regardless what neighbours may think it's a bit of a hypocrisis to demand to be asked everytime they do something Poland doesn't like...it's a give and take!

Poland gives a fyck either about the environment nor of the opinion of their neighbours - only if their interests are concerned! FACT!!!


Don't tell me Poland will be swayed in their decision even as most Europeans don't want that shield!
Be honest Lukasz....

Thank you Bratwurst for nice discussion. :)

It is all I wanted to know :)

afer your edit:

it is not about shield NATO (French gov German gov UK gov) supports this idea. We all know that problem is much different.

As I said...to be true allies you have to give and to take...


Well...the german and the russian gov's support Nord Stream...so what?

Poland lost billions of US$ in annual tax revenues for transit of Russian gas through it's territory.


Because of Polish-Russian disputes over the US missile shield, Germany naturally took full advantage of the situation for it's own national interests.

Try to think about it from the Russian perspective... if you are the CEO of Gazprom would you really want to pay 3 times more than the original price for the construction of the pipline through the Baltic just to bypass Poland? This is a political not an economically logical decision.

yes.there was no doubt it.
SuhasRao

You see, europe sells you for small change , what will happen later ?
Gas will be more and more expensive and you have been already sold.

As long as Americans domniate europe you are more or less safe. Unfotunately you know direction europe has choosen.

Be European ! Be Russian ally !

Germans are not nice for you. Think what will happen when Americans will be gone.

It is sure why they build nord stream.

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