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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
19 Apr 2018  #121
Germany is done for. In 20 30 years foreigners will outnumber native germans. The muslims will form.their own parties including radical ones. It's a slippery slope.first come migrants, then their crimes rapes and demands, then they get involved in politics and make parallel structures like no go zones and sharia patrols and courts and its over for the germans. It's sad that such a strong industrious people have succumbed to this crap
OP Slavictor 9 | 208    
21 Apr 2018  #122
A few pertinent graphics. Germany, Sweden, France and UK are bellwethers to varying degrees.





Crow 145 | 7,373    
21 Apr 2018  #123
No, its not late for Poland.

Poland: Far-right nationalists hold torchlight procession at holy site; Apr 14, 2018

youtu.be/4HvNvydgPXI

Hundreds of far-right nationalists belonging to the All-Polish Youth embarked on a torch-lit 'pilgrimage' at Jasna Gora Monastery, in Czestochowa on Saturday.

Your eastern borders are secured now brothers. Serbia strengthen. Do not worry and spread your wings.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
22 Apr 2018  #124
Germany's changing. Apparently, an uncomfortably vocal majority refuse to change with it and accept the plain fact that diversity has already come to Germany and is there to stay, at least for the forseeable future!

Simply integrate those newcomers ready, willing, and above all, ABLE, to be integrated and send the rest back. Better still, don't allow them in in the first place.

This too can serve as a template for any diversity-challenged societies, including Britain, France, Sweden or Poland as well:-)
OP Slavictor 9 | 208    
22 Apr 2018  #125
diversity-challenged societies

Thank you for that Marcusism, Lyzko. Textbook.

The only place they integrate into is the welfare system (i.e. 90% of invaders in Austria and 80% of Turk Settlers in Germany live off Welfare). After picking up their cheques, they quickly return to their ethnic cliques.

You dream of unicorns.

dw.com/en/turks-in-germany-still-lack-a-sense-of-belonging/a-36199779

We can agree not to let them in in the first place. Brilliant.

A process of purging the existing is then required. Alter the welfare laws to facilitate exodus. Eliminate chain migration. Ban Hilal slaughter. The overwhelming majority will leave on their own. It's what Israel would do. Smart.

Here are some hard facts on immigration which may cause an east coast tear or two. Tough love, man. It's the only way.

youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE
Tacitus 1 | 711    
22 Apr 2018  #126
@Lyzko

It is a vocal minority we are talking about, not the majority.
Most of them are old men whom nature will take care off soon, so I am not too worried abou them.
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
22 Apr 2018  #127
It is

You're a dangerous fanatic.

ncluding Britain, France, Sweden or Poland as well:-)

What about Israel?
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
22 Apr 2018  #128
Most of them are old men whom nature will take care off soon, so I am not too worried abou them.

Leave it to a leftist to be happy about a bunch of people with different opinions dying.

Simply integrate those newcomers ready, willing, and above all, ABLE, to be integrated and send the rest back.

No one wants to integrate in the modern world. Willing integration (and assimilation) by large numbers of adults are essentially myths created by the success of American coercive assimilation in the early 20th century. how many of the merkel jugend have jobs? how many have passed German language tests?

Integration is not possible absent coercive mechanisms that multicultural fantasies make impossible.

And Germany is terrible, terrible, terrible at deporting people that have no right to be in Germany.

Germany does not have multiculturalism, it has imported a large class of welfare pets who will never be able to pull their own weight economically. Germany is probably economically strong enough to take on that kind of burden but it's insanity to think that poorer countries can.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
22 Apr 2018  #129
@Maf, and for the bazillionth time, Germany continues to exist in the shadows of her Nazi past, I don't frankly care who says different!! Trying to live down, literally "unlive", [now, not so] recent history might well prove impossible until the last ethnic German born pre-'45 is dead and buried. Not likely to happen any time soon, I'll say that much.

@Tacitus,
I fear a wee bit of public relations in your response, although to be honest, I can't say as I blame you! Anyone born from a tainted well, is factually unable to ingest completely filtered water, no matter how hard they may try. So long as members of your and your fellow countrymen's family retain an inkling of wartime indoctrination, all hope is essentially lost, I'm afraid, for a totally UNtainted generation to grow up on heretofore poisoned soil! We're talking here at a conservative estimate about at least three to four generations, roughly a period of some seventy-five years.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
22 Apr 2018  #130
Germany continues to exist in the shadows of her Nazi

In an incredibly dysfunctional way. WWII ended over 70 years ago and acting like resurgent naziism is a serious threat is stupid and prompts Germans to act in a way that could bring about different dysfunctional results.

Marxists are enjoying a resurgence of respectability despite a death toll in the tens of millions. Germans are still supposed to step on eggshells and be afraid to assert citizen rights? Dumb.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
22 Apr 2018  #131
Once again, maf, as you seem a highly intelligent sort, read Dr. Mitscherlich's book (long available in English) and get back to me about it! It will explain lots about the whole "German problem" from a psychiatrist's point of view, himself the son of a virulent Nazi father. Most of your questions, value judgements etc. will really be elucidated by this thickish, indeed emotionally painful, volume.
TheOther 5 | 3,531    
22 Apr 2018  #132
totally UNtainted generation

Why would a child born in 1940 be "tainted"?
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
22 Apr 2018  #133
Once again, maf, as you seem a highly intelligent sort, read Dr. Mitscherlich's book (long available in English)

I've read enough books about naziism, that was a 10 year fluke and there's nothing really to learn form it that can't be learned elsewhere. The only thing unique about the nazi period was the bureaucratization and sheer clear-eyed efficiency brought to processes that usually occur in a fever rage.

The potential problem with Germany is not a return to the nazi past but an eternal tendency toward extremism and ideological rigidity that cannot recognize antithesis and therefore can never reach synthesis. Germany is a like a Mercedes, it runs great but you can never downshift and so you have to drive it into a wall to stop it....

Why would a child born in 1940 be "tainted"?

His version of original sin?
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
22 Apr 2018  #134
Doubtless, talk at home revolved around German victimhood and similar self-pitying themes. It's only human. The fewest of the few were somehow in a position to rise above daily talk and see the war from the Allied point of view. I know scores of Germans over the years, my age (58) and those born right before the end of the war. Culpable they surely couldn't be, tainted by the world around them, most assuredly....and they all admit to it openly!!
Tacitus 1 | 711    
22 Apr 2018  #135
@mafketis

Leave it to a leftist to be happy about a bunch of people with different opinions dying.

Not really, it is just a matter of fact that there is little need to appease those people. Especially considering how those guys screwed over the younger generations in the UK with Brexit and the USA with Trump.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
22 Apr 2018  #136
Generation Z (the one following the millenials in the US is _far_ more conservative than any in living memory....
TheOther 5 | 3,531    
23 Apr 2018  #137
Doubtless, talk at home revolved around German victimhood and similar self-pitying themes

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but most grandparents and parents of the Germans I've met refused to talk about WW2 when their children asked them. It was considered a taboo.
Atch 16 | 2,558    
23 Apr 2018  #138
Interesting article here on the Polish recruits who have recently joined the German police, following a Polish recruitment campaign by Germany:

ft.com/content/9f62345e-43a7-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fd
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
23 Apr 2018  #139
Exactly, TheOther! They sought to avoid, sweep under the rug, whatever they had in order to circumvent honest confrontation. Yet, one cannot deny that the wailing cries of "We Germans suffered much too!", were never far below the surface either.

My last visit to Germany was several years ago. My first, was as an exchange Grad student in 1985. When I arrived there having never been there before, fellow students bombarded me with questions about America's "double standard" re: slaves and Native Americans. I wasn't able to give an answer then, but when asked a similar question by some aggressive Komilliton (student council rep) some fifteen years later, my response was much as it is now, namely, that the two situations are incongruous and bear zero comparison to one another.
TheOther 5 | 3,531    
23 Apr 2018  #140
I'm of the opinion that people will have to move on some day, even if it's hard. Most countries, and certainly all colonial powers, have a massive collection of skeletons in their closets, as we all know, and it's always the civilian population that suffers.

in order to circumvent honest confrontation

It's not that simple. POW's who spent years in a Soviet forced labor camp for example usually weren't too eager to talk about it afterwards.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
23 Apr 2018  #141
Is the latter situation though really analogous?? The Holocaust represents a kind of watershed, a cataclysmic rupture with civilization as we knew it. destroying notions of right and wrong as heretofore understood, a veritable sui generis, as I've stated before.

"Moving on" is something only possible on an individual, rather than on a national, level.
TheOther 5 | 3,531    
23 Apr 2018  #142
That's where I disagree with you. You cannot hold a whole nation responsible into all eternity for something that happened in the distant past. 500 years from now, do you still want to blame the Germans for the Holocaust? Will you still hold Mao responsible for killing approx. 80 million people? Will the Russians still be guilty because of Stalin? If you continue to point the finger at whole nations, you'll run the risk that people either get tired of it or that they retaliate be finding skeletons in your closet. Just watch what happens to Israel at the moment. The world doesn't talk about the Holocaust; instead they are (rightfully) blaming Israel for the way they treat the Palestinians.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
24 Apr 2018  #143
a veritable sui generis, as I've stated before.

Dude, you need to read more about genocide in the 20th century.... the only unique thing about the holocaust was the bureaucratic efficiency and industrialization of genocide.

Compared to more recent slaughters like Rwanda, planned so as to make a very large proportion of the population into perpetrators, it can be argued that by industrialization only a very small percentage of Germans took an active part and therefore Germans should feel less collective guilt than should Hutus (since such a large percentage of them were active in hacking people to death).
Crow 145 | 7,373    
24 Apr 2018  #144
Only guilt Hutu can feel is the regret that they didn`t eat those who were killed. Germans only regret is that Hitler didn`t won.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
24 Apr 2018  #145
feel is the regret

Crow, you're jealous of those guilty of genocide? Give it up, Poland will never help Serbia and Russia commit genocide in Kosovo. No. Won't happen. Find another fantasy.
Crow 145 | 7,373    
24 Apr 2018  #146
Mafe, as a human being to human being, listen. Go out of that fictional story in case with former Yugoslavia. Only genocide that ever happened on Slavic South is that one on Serbians, before WWI, during WWI, during WWII and in this last Civil War and in NATO bombing in 1999. Not only that. Biggest scandal is that modern day EU still rewarding those who did it.
Tacitus 1 | 711    
24 Apr 2018  #147
Srebenica begs to differ.

Please stick to the topic everyone
Crow 145 | 7,373    
24 Apr 2018  #148
Eh. But brate, whenever we are at Serbia and Serbians we are on topic. How else you think Poland would gain its independence? It was too late for Poland from long time ago and then Serbians came back in European arena.

See, Jagilonian investments were wise. Zawisha Czarny knew. Czartorisky. Adam Mickiewicz, too.

We would never leave Poles. Never will allow them to die.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
24 Apr 2018  #149
@Maf, if not for the bureaucratic efficiency, the Holocaust would never have unfolded as it did. Rwanda also is but another left-wing liberal example of deflecting blame and relativizing the albeite legitimate sufferings of black Africans as comparable with that of the Jews.

Jews were targets because the German masses feared through state propaganda that they might take over the country, thus, they had to be eliminated in order to avert the spread of Communism aka chaos in German minds, given the fiasco of Kurt Eisner's provisional "red" government in 1919 before Erzdorfer took over.

Massacres in Africa were common place, admittedly horrific, but such beggars comparison, I'm sorry.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
24 Apr 2018  #150
relativizing the albeite legitimate sufferings of black Africans as comparable with that of the Jews.

Not my point, a relatively tiny percentage of the German population actually carried out the holocaust while a much larger percentage of Hutus were directly involved in killing Tutsis. Where is collective guilt more fitting, where 1 or 2 % of the population (if that) actually were physical killers or where a much higher percentage of the population were hacking at their countrymen with machetes in front of everyone?


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