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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Lyzko 42 | 9,507
29 Apr 2018 #211
Johnny, before FDR's New Deal the WAS NO MIDDLE CLASS; you were either rich through inherited wealth or a robber baron, or you didn't have a pot to **** in, literally!

No one wants a return to those times. Look what happened in Germany pre-'33.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
29 Apr 2018 #212
before FDR's New Deal the WAS NO MIDDLE CLASS

nonsense.... there was no social safety net, but that's not the same thing at all

The extreme inequality was a feature of the Gilded Age and exacerbated by high levels of immigration, the shutdown of immigration in the early 20s helped create the Great Compression (the time of least stratification/economic inequality in US history). I'm a child of the compression but the elites have drug the country back into a new gilded age, full of status vvhoring and high immigration.

Sanders (should he run and win in 2020) might end up rolling some of that back. Trump (another child of the compression) was elected to do that but hasn't been able with the power structures of both parties working against him.
Crow 160 | 9,195
29 Apr 2018 #213
Germany is state of sinners and heretics. They all betrayed Jesus and plus spat on Svetovid. Germany is doomed.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
29 Apr 2018 #214
who doesn't spit on Svetovid? He's a crummy third rate deity that people sacrificed the virtue of goats to... better off forgotten.
Crow 160 | 9,195
29 Apr 2018 #215
Nothing was sacrificed to Svetovid. His temples, same as later Christian temples, only received gifts from peasantry, nobility and warrior class. Also, bread and different dishes from plants were prepared for rituals or for certain days. Its also same in Christianity.

who doesn't spit on Svetovid?

Beware what you speak. Care for your soul. Svetovid is not obsolete. He is spirit and God of nature. He is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. Good old guy. Nothing bad was done in his name. He may forgive you. Pray.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
30 Apr 2018 #216
@Maf, face facts! Before Roosevelt there was zero safety net for sudden job loss or illness. FDR saved America!!! Trump, aided by the wake of Reaganism, wants to destroy what it took years to build up.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
30 Apr 2018 #217
Before Roosevelt there was zero safety net for sudden job loss or illness

Not the same thing at all as saying there was no middle class.

Trump, aided by the wake of Reaganism

Reaganism is dead (Hillary was the Reaganist candidate in the last election, not Trump who ran on the kind of populist campaign that's inconceivable to a REaganite like Hillary). But Trump can't work against both parties to turn that horrible frankenstein back into the grave where it belongs.

The US is currently in a period of realignment from Neoliberalism to Populism the question is who can get ahead of the party elites (both parties) and make it happen.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,891
30 Apr 2018 #218
Lets get the topic off America and back to Poland

face facts! Before Roosevelt

Poland could have been free Before Rossevelt sold Poland out to Stalin at Yalta
30 Apr 2018 #219
Avengers Infinity War - Thanos looks like a typical Polish man - square jaw, thick head, and has no idea how to treat humans!
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
30 Apr 2018 #220
Yet another useless stereotype, even if meant in jest!
Ironside 50 | 12,470
1 May 2018 #221
Before Roosevelt

My, He had fascist ideas and you love it.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
1 May 2018 #222
What "fascist ideas", pray?? You don't like someone you automatically call them a faschist because he saved the US for the deserving many instead of those from his own privileged class??! The man had wisdom, vision, and compassion, qualities it appears laughable by today's ignoramuses who have little understanding of life, much less death!

Let's hope Ms.Merkel has the foresight to see the wrongness of what she's doing and be guided by more moderate supporters. About Morawiecki? Still haven't made up my mind about that guy:-)
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,572
1 May 2018 #223
For the time his ideas were good... I doubt he imagined that 60 70 years later labor force participation rates would fallen as much as they have. Back then, social security was viable as you had people working and paying taxed; you didn't have tens of millions of able bodied people refusing to get a job and living off welfare.

Now, social security is simply mathematically unsustainable. I doubt i'll get any social security once I hit 62 (if God allows me to live that long) which would be nice as that extra grand or two a month would go a lot further in Poland than US
Ironside 50 | 12,470
1 May 2018 #224
You don't like someone you automatically call them a faschist

Not I, Benito Mussolini said 'he is one of us'. R send a mission to fascist Italy to see what elements of a fascist state introduced in Italy would work in the US.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
2 May 2018 #225
Mussolini was far less virulent than Hitler and the circumstances of his rise to power were not identical either.
OP Slavictor 6 | 193
2 May 2018 #226
but eu keeps pushing us and hungary

Some feedback from a recent trip to Hungary by a UKIP member:

  • What an incorrigible racist
Ironside 50 | 12,470
2 May 2018 #227

Never the less he was a fascist. There is no doubt that he had seen Roosevelt as a one with fascist views. To what extend Roosevelt shared Mussolini's views can of course be debated but there is no doubt as to the fact that he shared enough of it to be viewed by an that archetypal fascist as a fascist in all but name.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
3 May 2018 #228
Germany on the right side of history again? Migrants intimidate cops trying to deport on their fellows, he escapes and has gone into hiding...

What gives the German government the idea that it should have any influence on who's allowed to stay in the country anyway...
Crow 160 | 9,195
3 May 2018 #229
I am sure that little bit of Serbian still sleep in every German. Sleeper must be awaken.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,236
3 May 2018 #230
Krakasz za duzo
Why you so interested in Germany? You live there? Why aren't you looking at Poland as an example? Not enough gold for you?
Don't you have treasures of your own to keep?
Tacitus 2 | 1,387
3 May 2018 #231

The man and others were arresred today. Problem solved. Those are all relarively small problems. In 50 years nobody will remember them. But people will remember that Germans were the moral beacon in Europe during this time. Our finest hour.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
3 May 2018 #232
@Ironside, because Roosevelt took our Founding Fathers seriously and desired to use government for the purpose for which it existed, scarcely makes him a faschist!

That Upstate NY kosher chicken farmer who sued and won, accusing Roosevelt (along with the Supreme Court at the time, Justice Brandeis, I believe) of interfering with interstate commerce was in fact a Republican, and so hated Roosevelt from the start.

We needed FDR. How many more depressions, Hoovervilles etc. do you sincerely believe this country could tolerate before being forced down the road of true dictatorship?? Ever heard of Huey Long?
johnny reb 50 | 7,193
3 May 2018 #233
We needed FDR.

For what ? to start a war to jump start the economy ?
Hopefully Poland won't get that desperate.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
3 May 2018 #234
You really missed the boat! He pulled us out of a depression by putting American back to work. Hitler's saber rattling started the war, dude!
johnny reb 50 | 7,193
3 May 2018 #235
No it is you who missed the boat, F.D.R. pulled us out of a depression by going to war or do I have that backwards ?

Hopefully neither Poland or Germany will ever get that desperate.
F.D.R. got a lot of people killed to get the U.S out of the depression.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,572
3 May 2018 #236
He declared war on all axis powers simultaneously after pearl harbor and a few hours after hitler declared war on the us. Most Americans didnt have much of a problem with hitler at the beginning. Going to war against Germany wasnt a popular idea due to the large german population.

War is only bad for business if its lost.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
3 May 2018 #237
Had the US taken the "duck and cover" strategy of certain American Firsters of the time, e.g. Norman Thomas and Charles Lindbergh etc., just imagine the dire straights in which the world would have found herself!

Boy are you a hypocrite!! America should be a policeman to the world.....only when it's convenient, such as Vietnam or the Gulf War ("No blood for oil!") but when the Jews were concerned, much of the planet summarily turned its back.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
3 May 2018 #238
America should be a policeman to the world.....only when

Good question, it's impossible to point out a good result of american foreign meddling in the last 30 or so years... Iraq? Aghanistan? Libya? Shameful failures all.
Lyzko 42 | 9,507
3 May 2018 #239
That's why I call WWII the only "valid" aka "just" war within the past hundred-and-fifty or so years! Justifiable by anyone's measure, hence the title of Stephen Ambrose' "The Good Fight"!!

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