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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
22 Sep 2018  #721
Similar I suppose to the identical ignorance of many Polish electorate who blithely voted in the exact same party that ruined their economy some fifteen or more years back, namely, the PiS.
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #722
Now go use the friggin google, check when PiS was in government last time and check the economic stats from those years. It shouldn't take more than 3 minutes, even in your case.
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
22 Sep 2018  #723
What's to check? May have been off by a bit, yet the impact remains the same!
Crnogorac3 1 | 329    
22 Sep 2018  #724
Top economic growth in Europe in 2018:

Poland 5% growth
Serbia 4.9% growth

Only Ireland has a higher number but that doesn't really count because of Apple, Google, Facebook ect, if Poland had done the same what Ireland was allowed it would have been booted out of the EU a long time ago.

PiS must be doing something right. :)
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
22 Sep 2018  #725
Yeah, and we know who they are, don't we G (undercover)! At least admit you're getting dumber, then we'd all know whom we're dealing withLOL

Crnogorac3, GDP isn't always a bellweather of how a country's doing. Other indicators include how she fares within the EU and what her neighbors have to say.

Orban too claims Hungary's doing just fine, however Bruxelles might have a different opinion on the matter:-)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #726
And to think, that this priceless artificat had almost been lost to thieves... .

Yeah...absolutely thriller worthy stuff!!!

PiS must be doing something right. :)

Inside the EU market with EU money...otherwise PiS Poland would look like Ukraine!

They know better than to demand a Polexit...for good reasons...
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
22 Sep 2018  #727
therwise PiS Poland would look like Ukraine!

That is quite ignorant thing to say. Poland wouldn't be worse off than any other post-soviet country in this region. Ukraine exist since 1991. As a concept it exist for about 160 years, few hours on the European timetable.

Even more ignorant narrowing it to those few euros as IF they would make a lot of difference. If anything EU opened some opportunities for the Polish people that all....

Like Marshall plan and cold war was an opportunity given to the German people. They could make it or not but should we say that they wouldn't look much better without those American money, long term investments and support of the USA than DDR. See how you like them peaches....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #728
That is quite ignorant thing to say.

Why?

Look at those now inside the EU and those outside and compare...why is this ignorant?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #729
Even more ignorant narrowing it to those few euros as IF they would make a lot of difference.

Oh boy....

...in fact, between 2007-2013 Poland received a funding of 80 billion euros, of which 67.3 billion from the Structural Funds and the Cohesion Fund, and 14 billion of loans for agriculture and fishing....

wipjobs.com/european-funds-poland-a-model-to-follow-with-97-5-of-funding-spent

Few euros, huh? Peanuts! :)

The accession to the EU market and the support to rebuild your economy MAKE all the difference between a booming, rising economy and Ukraine!

I'm an Ossi and wouldn't even dream of thinking that East Germany would now look as good or even better without the support money from the West...I would be stupid!
TheWizard - | 322    
22 Sep 2018  #730
Yep, it is the success of the EU that helps drive Poland in the same direction. Zero doubt! I don't think Ukraine is a good comparison though.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
22 Sep 2018  #731
Why?

Why? Because you are comparing oranges and apples that's why....

Look at those now inside the EU and those outside and compare.

hmm Norway, Swiss land? Island - do you mean those countries? Oh or maybe those countries like Portugal, Greece and some others that do not do better than Poland? membership of those countries in the EU predates Poland's a few good years ....

I'm an Ossi and wouldn't even dream of thinking that East Germany

Again not the same thing. Beside printing some money doesn't make anything happen....
Dougpol1 25 | 2,000    
22 Sep 2018  #732
That is quite ignorant thing to say. Poland wouldn't be worse off than any other post-soviet country in this region

We prefer Poland and its' not inconsiderable improvements because of EU money thanks Ironside. I lived in Katowice for 12 years before the European Union.
It was an absolute shithole.
Most small towns still are - but they are getting there, slowly.
Meanwhile - what have YOU contributed to your motherland? Pathetic of you - as always.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
22 Sep 2018  #733
what have YOU contributed to your motherland

So once again, what is your contribution? you know charging people money for talking to them in your native language is not charity isn't?.

I would concede that you contributed to Poland if you would have started some cutting edge research institute or some factory, otherwise your claims sound pretty pathetic. You moved to Poland and make your way there ....a big F deal. I see you expect a medal!

so your claim is that Poland wouldn't have had improved without the EU? That is only your opinion thank you, I don't share your views on the matter.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,674    
22 Sep 2018  #734
what have YOU contributed to your motherland?

an what have YOU contributed to your 'motherland'?

I don't normally get in touch with my inner pedant, but I must tell you that 'it's' is a contraction of 'it is'. An object cannot take the saxon genitive. Just saying.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
22 Sep 2018  #735
By the way this youtube song from Germany has been banned. If you can find somewhere else. do it. its interesting.

KC - Chemnitz ist ├╝berall
Dougpol1 25 | 2,000    
22 Sep 2018  #736
charging people money for talking to them

Look at my web notice. I don't talk. I teach. And pay taxes and ZUS - give and take for 30 years. You?

'it's' is a contraction of 'it is'.

Thanks, we know:) But when I am entwined in dismissing Ironsides' words of wisdom, all offered from a safe distance, away from the crap of everyday life in Poland, I don't pay attention to such niceties as grammar. Surely you've heard of "It's not what you say, it's how you say it"?

so your claim is that Poland wouldn't have had improved without the EU?

No - it is quite clear that Poles can't govern themselves.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
22 Sep 2018  #737
don't pay attention to such niceties as grammar.

Said English teacher, well, well....

it is quite clear that Poles can't govern themselves.

fixed that for others. I already knew your view.
Dougpol1 25 | 2,000    
22 Sep 2018  #738
so your claim is that Poland wouldn't have had improved without the EU?

English teacher

I don't profess to know your business, but I know mine. Like most here I have to decline work through overloading, so I must be doing something right. But thank for for your concern as to my welfare.

Now go and do one. You're tiring us all out here in Poland with your nonsense about the EU.
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #739
Inside the EU market with EU money...otherwise PiS Poland would look like Ukraine!

Poland looked far better than Ukraine long before the EU anschluss. Your crappy "EU" is going to fall down pieace by piecace, in the end we will see who's going to lose on it. Only utter idiots thinks Germany has been pushing for EU enlargements and "deeper integration" out of good heart. Russians till this day are showing statistics "proving" that they had been subsidising the whole commie block. Now remind us what happened with Russia in 90's and compare it to Poland or Czechia. Before you come up with crap like "but the West helped Poland and Czechia while Russia was left alone" - no, Poland and Czechia got pretty much nothing (feel free to "prove" it wasn't so) while Russia in 90's got USD ~200 billion via the World Bank, IMF etc. Again, you can verify all I am saying using friggin google.

Look at those now inside the EU and those outside and compare

Another cheap propaganda trick. When a country reform itself and got onto a fast growth track then it gets 'invited" into EU - that's how it works. If Moldova get their act together, soon hordes of EUnuchs will show up their offering their "grants", "scholarships" etc. to the local elite in exchange for whoring the whole "EU membership" concept down the locals throuts.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
22 Sep 2018  #740
Poland looked far better than Ukraine long before the EU anschluss.

Poland was worse off than Ukraine in 1990. Yet again, your propaganda fails.
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #741
No - it is quite clear that Poles can't govern themselves.

Just compare it to the "enlightened" West and how well they are governing themselves. Let's take a look at the most "enlightened" - Belgium. 25% of cocaine imported to Europe comes from there, the army is on the streets, terrorism, pedophile rings, economic stagnation pretty much since they have stopped stealing from Ne groes, recently they basically had no government for over a year. If we can't govern ourselves then you people are friggin cavemen.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
22 Sep 2018  #742
Just compare it to the "enlightened" West and how well they are governing themselves.

Poland isn't exactly doing a great job of it, what with the high rates of male suicide, problems with alcohol abuse, economic growth based almost completely on outsourcing and other non-jobs, widespread church paedophilia and more.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #743
Belgium. 25% of cocaine imported to Europe comes from there, the army is on the streets, terrorism, pedophile rings

And still, more Poles immigrate to Belgium to live and work there than the other way around...."people voting with their feet" and all that! :)

vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2015/12/15/big_rise_in_the_numberofpolesandromaniansinbelgium-1-2524423

Living in the "enlightened, badly governed" West seems to be not so bad a thing, doesn't it...
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #744
Poland was worse off than Ukraine in 1990. Yet again, your propaganda fails.

Poland was pretty much on the level of Ukraine in 1990. But it got nearly twice richer before the end of 90's - years before "holy" EU - I can tonnes of statistics (including Eurostat, WB, IMF etc.) to back it up.

It YOUR PROPAGANDA THAT FAILS, AGAIN and AGAIN. I proved your "points" are BS hundreds times here and you just come up with the same garbage.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #745
But it got nearly twice richer before the end of 90's

The accession process of Poland began already in 1989. The prospect of becoming a full member of the EU must have had a decisive influence of the investments world wide.The money coffers were opened, investors came running!

Not to mention EU funds finding already their way into the future member.

The Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance (IPA) is the means by which the EU supports reforms in the 'enlargement countries' with financial and technical help.

A future prospect Ukraine doesn't have and probably won't have for a long time...
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #746
more Poles immigrate to Belgium to live and work there than the other way around....

Just like more Chinese immigrate to Russia than the other way around. What that actually "proves" ?

Most of the "west" is simply waisting the wealth generated by previous generations. You could "as well" admire some jackass living off his parents' money.

high rates of male suicide, problems with alcohol abuse

Don't humiliate yourself and just shut up.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #747
You could "as well" admire some jackass living off his parents' money.

Agreed! :)

But it was a good thing with warts and all, our parents have been smart people...I don't see the sense in destroying all that, wishing it to fail, sorry!
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
22 Sep 2018  #748
But it got nearly twice richer before the end of 90's - years before "holy" EU - I can tonnes of statistics (including Eurostat, WB, IMF etc.) to back it up.

Now, why would that be? Would it be perhaps anything to do with CEFTA, or perhaps the funds that were already flowing into Poland before 2004?

Tell you what, come on a trip with me sometime to the borderlands in Lubuskie. I'll show you the infrastructure that was built between 1990-2004 with EU/German money, and then you can tell me what a difference it made to the Polish economy. Deal?
G (undercover)    
22 Sep 2018  #749
The accession process of Poland began already in 1989. The prospect of becoming a full member of the EU must have had a decisive influence of the investments

Oy vey ! The process actually started in 966 AD. Without the "European" wisdom Poles wouldn't know how to light the fire ! Oy vey !

Can't you see how pathetic you become ? People read it and are laughing at you.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
22 Sep 2018  #750
People read it and are laughing at you.

Why?



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