Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?

Well there are certainly kebabs - outside of Turkey I think Frankfurt is one of the best places for Turkish cuisine.

That's the spirit! :)

*goes out for a Döner*

That was actually his father, and those guys lived actually a fairly confortable life and e.g. never went to war. Of pressing people into service was the standard back then, with the British navy being particulary infamous about this.

While you're removing stuff, how about pizza. crepe suzettes, Swedish meatballs, McDonalds etc... Why should xenophobia extend to the kitchen as well??
STUPID STUFF, GUYS!!!

And what does Berlin has to be called a capital? It is one of the poorest cities in Germany. It is not a financial center. It doesn't even have a proper airport. It does have a lot of Turkish kebab fast-food stands but that's hardly a substitute ;-)

Berlin has been quartered...beat that!

Nice zoo and David Bowie and Currywurst

....and famous presidents coming and saying they too are a Pfannkuchen...

No other city has THAT!

JFK's famous phrase has gone down in history as the perhaps the most laughably quoted "foreign" pronouncement made by any sitting US president.

Well, in this sense... maybe, but let's not exaggerate. Remember that before the partitions Prussia meant and was nothing...

... the lands in red were stolen from Poland in the partitions. So Prussia was a parasite that grew by feeding on Polish blood, at least initially.

Now, that we got that clear, you can go back to admiring the heritage. :)

It's an urban legend..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I_am_a_doughnut%22_urban_legend

Exactly.

"I am a Frankfurter..." [...with or without (Duesseldorf) mustard]
"I am a Hamburger..:[...hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special order don't upset us...he-he]

Y'all get the point!

Hey, if Cem Ozdemir ever runs for Chancellor, "Ich bin ein Doener!"
LOL

But not very much of a standard to abduct them in foreign countries on a regular basis, or so I am told. Recently I have come across the story of him (yes, it was Frederic's father) kidnapping a French (or Austrian) diplomat who had this misfortune of being very tall and whose relatives had to put much effort later on into persuading the Prussians to release him from their army...


In fact, it wasn't only Prussia which did. All the three partitioning powers were embracing resources of Poland which was the second largest European country before partitions occured. But the thing often escaping attention of people in Poland is that the Prussians promptly began to improve the economic infrastructure in the newly annexed territories of Poland which was rather poor before that (the presently called 'Bydgoski' Canal is a very good example of this). And this wasn't neither the case in either the Russian or the Austrian part.

Anyway, by refering to 'Prussian heritage', I chiefly meant Silesia, Western Pomerania and East Prussia rather than such bizzare and temporary provinces as 'Southern Prussia'.


If you think that Prussia was nothing before 1772-1795, how would you explain their quick and successful campaign leading to the conquest of Silesia, a very rich province of the Habsburg Empire, in the years 1741-42, so 30 years before the time of the first partition of Poland? Austria was a big and a powerful country of Europe whereas Prussia was relatively tiny...

Yes, but only Prussia was desperate for it, as their power (and maybe even their very existence) depended on it. Austria or Russia would have been strong enough, even without Polish lands. Prussia, on the other hand, would never have become a power (not for long anyway) if it wasn't for partitions.


Well, all the countries had armies, but Prussia was an army that had a country.

... and because of that it wasn't 'nothing'.

No doubt the Polish partitions benefited Prussia, but it is worth pointing out that the events that are usually seen as marking the Prussian ascendence to one of the five major powers, the Three Silesian wars, happened before that. Crucially it was surviving the Seven Years war what confirmed Prussia's position. And while the land gained from Poland was significant, it is also important to state that Silesia - which was taken from Austria - remained Prussia's economically most important area until the acquisiton of the Ruhr Valley and the Industrial revolution.

Prussia was responsible for land reforms which helped the enviably rapid industrialization of Germany during the middle to latter half of the 19th century!! Von Stein, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau (the latter two war ship names during WWII) represented a triumvirate of significant reformers who helped to transform Northern Germany from a rural into an industrial power:-)

It's also worth mentioning that Poland has created Prussia. A new Prussia that is, because old genuine Prussians were slaughtered by Teutons. It was Konrad of Mazovia has invited Teotonic order to Poland and that was one of the biggest mistakes in our history. I stand by my opinion that nothing good ever came to us from Germany.

That said, whenever you start feeling proud of "being of prussian" heritage remember that we've made you.

@Spike31

Almost all technology you have comes from Germany. I believe you should give up on your german hatred and move on.

Thank you ! :):):)

We could together be "honorary Prussians" and cherish our common heritage! :)

I can think of a couple of things that actually were/are good...

1. Skat - played mostly in Silesia and Kashubia; a great game.

2. Transition from being a vodka-drinking country to a beer-drinking country (I posted a link here somewhere) - definitely a German influence

3. Ordoliberalism - I mentioned it also in another thread.

4. A couple of thousands of words borrowed directly from the German language - ajerkoniak, hohsztapler, majstersztyk, wihajster, urlop, fajerwerki, szyld, ratusz, szacować, warsztat - just off the top of my head.


Prussia was OK as our vassal. After that they ran wild too much.

@kaprys

Hitler came to power in January, 1933. International Jewry declared war on Germany already by March, 1933 so it means that Hitler didn't even have proper time to get familiar with his office and even adjust on his chair properly when International Jewry declared war on him.

archive.org/details/HitlerSpeaksAboutTheJews

johnkaminski.org/index.php/essays-by-john-kaminiski-american-writer-and-critic/9-11-legacy-false-flag-terror/81-the-curse-of-knowing

A great read are the books of one of my favorite historians David Irving, Churchill's War vol 1 and vol 2 (part three has recently come out). They can be downloaded for free on his site

fpp.co.uk

Here can be found an abundance of data about Churchill, his alcoholism, his debts and the shadowy people who first pulled him out of debt and then gave him unreserved support both in his conquest of power and in his war efforts. England continually provoked Germany and caused rebellions and uprisings of states through its developed espionage service. Poland and Yugoslavia are a great example.

"We Have Lost Our Sense of Destiny"

fpp.co.uk/speeches/DestinySpeech1990.html

They might have read his plans in "Mein Kampf" ?


Only when Germany became to strong...then England of course supported it's enemies. If France for example got to strong, England supported Germany instead...it's what "perfidious Albions" always do!

ZIONIST JABOTINSKY: "WE WILL START THE WAR AGAINST GERMANY"



1917 - "THE HUNS ARE COMING !"



1942 - "THE NAZIS ARE COMING !"



2001 - "THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING !"

SAME OLD TACTIC OF SCARING......
ANOTHER ENEMY

Vesko, we don't need any more Nazi sympathizers on this Forum than we already have, thank you very much!

@Lyzko

And you decide who is Nazi? For you evrything right of Che Guevarra is Nazi.

Quit makin' stuff up and grasping at straws!

Look who's talking :-D

It's a sad historical fact not hatred. Name one positive intereaction between Poland and Germany except after the year 1989


And let's not forget folksdojcz and szpicel :-P

"We forgive, and ask for forgiveness."

Beautiful.

You've actually started making sense, @delphian. It needs to be clarified that reconciliation was started by Polish side, a Catholic Church to be precise.