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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


cms neuf - | 867
16 Sep 2018  #421
These elite nazis would be over 100 now. Probably unable to go to the toilet unassisted, let alone take over Europe.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
16 Sep 2018  #422
These elite nazis would be over 100 now.

Nah...you don't understand...they had their cryo chambers on the moon. EVERYBODY who is not brainwashed by the "elite" KNOWS the truth!!! *tsk*
johnny reb 16 | 3,493
16 Sep 2018  #423
...they had their cryo chambers on the moon

......and their gas chambers here on earth.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
16 Sep 2018  #424
@Crnogorac3

Note the israeli flag rofl

Please back on topic of this thread
Crow 137 | 7,540
26 Sep 2018  #425
Poland. Poland

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Ironside 47 | 9,628
19 Jan 2019  #426
[moved from]
Fun fact - About 33,33% of Poles would support Polexit. It is a rise of about 14%.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
19 Jan 2019  #427
A link?

I have a survey from from 9/2018

According to an opinion poll whose results were published on Saturday, over 65 percent of all respondents in Poland oppose the idea of their country leaving the EU, with about 17 percent being of the opposite view. A further 17 percent had no opinion concerning the hypothetical Polexit.
Ironside 47 | 9,628
19 Jan 2019  #428
you should know by now, there is data out there ...look for it if you want. I'm only telling you what I have found.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
19 Jan 2019  #429
Even so, what are you gonna do with the two thirds who think differently?

Poland isn't Britain! Poland is much more like Germany and France, we are continentals without another option, we don't even have the illusion of an island and a Commonwealth to fall back on. We have no other home than Europe. There will never be a majority for leaving Europe in our countries.

(And even in Britain with all that it's only 50/50 max)
mafketis 20 | 7,058
19 Jan 2019  #430
Fun fact - About 33,33% of Poles would support Polexit

over 65 percent of all respondents in Poland oppose the idea of their country leaving the EU

My take. There are about four different camps regarding the EU (ime) with wild guesses about approximate percentages.

A Pro EU (have genuine enthusiasm and positive feelings about its current form) maybe 20 %

B For the EU (for now, but purely instrumentally and can imagine a time in the future when they wouldn't mind leaving) 35%

C Dead set against joining and dead set against remaining. about 20%

D Have little idea what the EU is and/or what Poland gets out of it and don't care.about 15 %

The critical group here is B, you won't change the minds of most people in A or C and D may or may not vote... The question is which way the B group will go in the future and what A and C can do to influence them...
Dougpol1 30 | 2,853
19 Jan 2019  #431
The critical group here is B

Yes, the silly people in Poland etc etc, who don't appreciate that if they leave the EU in the near future, refuse to admit the obvious, that Polexit would only mean having to pay most of the subsidies back. And then Poland doesn't have the budget to properly maintain all the infrastructure that the EU paid for in the first place (every single project of any real size here and now was paid for 66 percent bang out of European funding) so history will repeat itself from 1945 onwards, as in - collapsing city infrastructure.

But I wouldn't expect an American to know what he's talking about here.

We have no other home than Europe. There will never be a majority for leaving Europe in our countries.

Well said BB. Better in than out. All the good work of patriots like Adamowicz to build togetherness would go to waste, and let the nationalists in...which in the long term leads to WAR..........
Ironside 47 | 9,628
19 Jan 2019  #432
the silly people in Poland etc et

Silly people still have a vote. By the way who made you into an arbiter here eh?
TheOther 5 | 3,646
19 Jan 2019  #433
B For the EU (for now, but purely instrumentally and can imagine a time in the future when they wouldn't mind leaving) 35%

What would make them want to leave?
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
19 Jan 2019  #434
which in the long term leads to WAR..........

All wars are both good and bad at the same time.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,683
19 Jan 2019  #435
War movies are enough for me, thanks!

"Die Russen kommen" is only a joke now in modern Berlin...I prefer that...
mafketis 20 | 7,058
19 Jan 2019  #436
What would make them want to leave?

Nothing in the immediate future.... but the bloom is off the rose for a bunch of reasons (Merkel didn't help, Brussels and Brexit isn't helping and real emotional enthusiasm for the EU, which existed for a time... is kind of not a thing now (again from the people I talk to which tend toward the highly educated).
TheOther 5 | 3,646
19 Jan 2019  #437
So in a way like the rude awakening the East Germans had a few years after the reunification? Buyer's remorse? I only hope that people in Poland are aware that the alternative, a Europe of jealous nation states working against each other, might turn out to be a really bad idea.
Spike31 2 | 860
19 Jan 2019  #438
There will never be a majority for leaving Europe in our countries.

Who said anything about leaving Europe? The public discussion is about leaving the EU.

EU is an antithesis of Europe. European culture was build upon Greek philosophy, Roman law and Christianity and the foundations of the EU are neo-marxist.

EU is not even "a dwarf standing on the shoulders of giants" it's just a cancer that's grown on the body of Europe.
mafketis 20 | 7,058
5 Feb 2019  #439
Bad news..... The hell-born Franco-German alliance has brought back article 13

boingboing.net/2019/02/05/death-sentence-for-the-web.html?_ga=2.59448941.1733604656.1549400138-1766019156.1549400136

This is bad beyond words...
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #440
As I've reiterated on at best any number of occasions, a Polexit would be a disaster for Poland!
It's geopolitical implications for the rest of Europe remain to be seen.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #441
Bad news..... The hell-born Franco-German alliance has brought back article 13

Yet another sign of how this EU wants to control everything......it is anti freedom.

the foundations of the EU are neo-marxist

Exactly,and this is the problem.
Spike31 2 | 860
5 Feb 2019  #442
Polexit would be the second best option for Poland.

Disassembling the EU from within and building a simple free trade zone on its corpse would be the best option.

Being a part of an EU in its current form is the worst possible option.

PS: Some groups want to change the EU without demolishing its foundations. Effectively changing an EU apparatus which is deeply rooted in socialism and run by '68 generation of neo marxists is next to impossible.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
5 Feb 2019  #443
Yup. I predict that once Poland has to pay money into the EU the support will fall.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
5 Feb 2019  #444
Being a part of an EU in its current form is the worst possible option.

The vast majority of Poles feel otherwise.

Still, for all your buzzwords that you learnt at the Korwinist youth camp, it rather fails when you consider that the EU has been dominated by conservatives since the beginning.
jon357 63 | 14,123
5 Feb 2019  #445
The vast majority of Poles feel otherwise.

Over 90%
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #446
Is the EU "anti-freedom" any more than the US?

Here, our Federal Government, nationwide, controls each one of the 51 States. Over there, the leadership of Bruxelles,
living fulfillment of Metternich's dream, "The Concert of Europe", controls over 21 among numerous countries, a number of
which aren't yet EU-members!

Our country began with a mere 13 independent colonies by 1778. By 1904, much of the Western Territories had only quite recently been established as states, and even then, certain areas had yet to be granted statehood by Washington. The last US-territory to become a "state", was Hawaii....in 1959!!! That was nearly over one-hundred odd years in the making.

Moreover, a handful of states over the past centuries have even desired breaking away from the Union, namely Texas. Yet, nobody in our nation's capital seriously

entertained the notion of a "Texit"LOL

Now, you tell us which is "freer", Europe or America?
:-)
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
5 Feb 2019  #447
Is the EU "anti-freedom" any more than the US?

Most definitely. EU is far worse.

Now, you tell us which is "freer", Europe or America?

Definitely USA.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #448
Disassembling the EU from within and building a simple free trade zone on its corpse would be the best option

Absolutely correct![

quote=Dirk diggler]Yup. I predict that once Poland has to pay money into the EU the support will fall.[/quote]
I posted this the other day and got mocked.

The vast majority of Poles feel otherwise

Only as long as it favours Poland........
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #449
How so, if you'll permit me playing the Devil's Advocate for a change? Seems your definition of freedom needs some clarification. In the US, since Attty Gen'l Ashcroft, those who are merely deemed at odds with the US are labled "enemy combatants", placed on no-fly lists, and made into paraiah in their own country. Our sitting duck president expressed a desire to even close the NY Times if their criticisms of His Highness became too truthful.

In Germany, casual references to the Hitler Era, mocking the Third Reich in public might land one in jail.

Where's the difference, pray tell?
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #450
Is the EU "anti-freedom" any more than the US?
Most definitely. EU is far worse.

Agreed 100%.


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