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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #451
Each of your responses is sooooo PC, as if right on cue. Whom are you trying to impress, you guys?
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #452
Each of your responses are sooooo PC,

I hope that is not aimed at Dirk and me.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #454
Sorry,I don't get the joke......Dirk is totally non PC and I'm not that far behind him....
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #455
Why then in heaven's name do you both contend that the EU is some sort of conspiratorial "dictatorship", hell bent on destroying European freedoms?

It almost seems as if you've given prepared answers of what you're supposed to say.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #456
the EU is some sort of conspiratorial "dictatorship", hell bent on destroying European freedoms?

Because it is!
I can't see why an educated man like you doesn't see it!
No directly elected leaders,all on massive salaries and we can't unelect them.....that is a dictatorship in my book.
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
5 Feb 2019  #457
Ahem, I'd choose a different book upon which to base your ideas, Milo. By such logic, a traffic cop, school board, oversight body of any kind or what have you is somehow sinisterly "dictatorial" by its very nature, if only to attempt to tame and control our most human instinct, notably to take unfair advantage of a given situation or rest somebody else's sweat and toil to exact personal profit....
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
5 Feb 2019  #458
if only to attempt to tame and control our most human instinct, notably to take unfair advantage of a given situation or rest somebody else's sweat and toil to exact personal profit....

That is exactly what The EU is about.
Well said Lyzko!
Spike31 2 | 860
6 Feb 2019  #459
Why then in heaven's name do you both contend that the EU is some sort of conspiratorial "dictatorship", hell bent on destroying European freedoms?

It's not conspiratorial. EU "elites" are doing it in a broad daylight and they're not even hiding their intentions anymore.

They are clearly stating that they want to build an "European superstate" at a cost of sovereignty of EU members which citizens suppose to melt into some "Homo Europeanus". A new breed of Homo Sovieticus.

Most western societies have been so stupified by mandatory "education" and mass media that they don't even protest anymore. And when they do (like they do now in France), those protests are not aimed at a core of a problem.

A new creature - cause I would call it a conscious human being - with no free will, without past, without traditions, without religion and ethical values. A pulp which those elites can can shape into form they would wish for. A modern Homo Sovieticus

Basically they've started using Orwell's and especially Huxley's works as a manuals, and not a warning for humanity.
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
6 Feb 2019  #460
Would we be any less "stupified" if national education became a total free-for-all, in which everybody could learn as they pleased?? Why such fear of standards, you people?? If the individual fails in their human responsibilities to their neighbors aka fellow humans, certainly there should be someone to turn to to set things (back) on the straight and narrow as soon as things start to go awry! We see something bad begin to happen, nip it in the bud before it gets worse.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
6 Feb 2019  #461
Why such fear of standards, you people??

I agree with Spike 100%. All great art would not have been created in the EU utopia. How and why would anyone compose, write, or even tell jokes if every town and village had a government imposed ethnic composition and the fear of offending would be hanging over them? It's already a fact that comedy is almost dead for this exact reason in the US.

To answer your question, it's a matter of objectives: to improve or to control.
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
6 Feb 2019  #462
Discipline needn't stifle creativity, it can, indeed it does, encourage people to work within a framework which allows for complete expression!
This idiotic notion that standard is something to avoid, that structure is tantamount to faschism and what not's a bunch of bull from beginning to end.

All one needs to do is to read "Lord of the Flies" and see what happens when untrammeled youth runs amok and individual vice is given free reign, when

the little fat kids of this world are told a la Darwin's corruptors that only the strongest and toughest are useful enough to survive ad nauseum. Who are WE to judge one's fitness? That alone emanates from G-d.

Complete lack of supervision brings out the inhuman in all of us. Give man an inch and he'll gladly take a mile, then another, then another until only ONE person;s left standing.Too little control is surely as bad as too much:-)

The rampant sickness of laissez faire capitalism has infected the European continent too, I regret to say. You've been hypnotized by false advertising.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
6 Feb 2019  #463
even close the NY Times if their criticisms of His Highness became too truthful.In Germany, casual references to the Hitler Era, mocking the Third Reich in public might land one in jail.

You know I didn't take you as one of the people who equates Trump to Hitler... That's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard saying because Trump expressed a desire, didn't even do it merely expressed desire to close NYT, and therefore Trump = Hitler, Trump's America = Nazi Germany. I guess then UK, Germany, Sweden, basically of the EU, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Thailand, etc. basically every country (but America actually where a person can say, write whatever they want) equals Nazi Germany because something you for writing/publishing something.... See how dumb that sounds?

Would we be any less "stupified" if national education became a total free-for-all, in which everybody could learn as they pleased??

That'd be nearly impossible. If a class has to slow down because of a few stupid kids the smarter ones have to suffer. Unless of course you make different levels where a group would be tested in order to get in. That's how universities work and even elite high schools.

They are clearly stating that they want to build an "European superstate" at a cost of sovereignty of EU members which citizens suppose to melt into some "Homo Europeanus". A new breed of Homo Sovieticus.

Globo-Homo and run by Shlomo....
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
6 Feb 2019  #464
nd when they do (like they do now in France), those protests are not aimed at a core of a problem.

Actually many of those people are woke asf. The media blacks out a lot of the images written on their vests and signs especially the ones reading Macron pute à Juifs

rightoftheright.com/pogrom-in-france-continues-macron-denounced-as-a-*****-to-the-jews/
mafketis 20 | 7,058
6 Feb 2019  #465
how this EU wants to control everything......it is anti freedom

It's a better sign that the Franco-German alliance has the interests and desires of EU citizens.... somewhere (as they saying goes).

Article 13 has already generated a huge amount of citizen pushback and the largest petition in EU history... and the bloodsuckers at the top refuse to let it die and insist on reviving it in an even more monstrous form.

It's this type of arrogance at the top that turns people against the EU (despite its many good features).
Crow 137 | 7,540
6 Feb 2019  #466
that is a dictatorship in my book

Do you now feel shame for ever argued in favor of EU? You feel, don`t you?

Evil is exposed now. Evil broke its penis brutally stubbing Serbians. But we endured. No evil penis can stop Sarmatian finest.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
6 Feb 2019  #467
It's this type of arrogance at the top that turns people against the EU

Arrogance is the right word.

Do you now feel shame for ever argued in favor of EU? You feel, don`t you?

I never argued in favour of The EU and so feel no shame.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
6 Feb 2019  #468
Looking at the EU today and back at the commie lands, I wonder why I have this feeling of deja vu. Like I have seen this movie before.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,818
6 Feb 2019  #469
And it will end like the last one.......in tears......
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
6 Feb 2019  #470
Them tears won't be mine. Thank you, God, for giving me the wisdom and the means to get the f*** out.
Lyzko 20 | 6,350
6 Feb 2019  #471
Analogies between Trump and Hitler ain't all that far fetched, Dirk.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
6 Feb 2019  #472
Now that you made me an almost-Nazi, may I ask you to show me how their deeds overlap. I would appreciate numbers to separate your points. Like 1, 2, ...

Take a deep breath and think things over and through before you hit that keyboard.
Spike31 2 | 860
6 Feb 2019  #473
Would we be any less "stupified" if national education became a total free-for-all, in which everybody could learn as they pleased

You're still thinking inside the box. People are getting more ignorant not because of the availability [or lack of thereof] of education but because of its quality [or rather lack of thereof].

And also because of a political bias, especially on universities, which nobody even disputes anymore because its a fact. Technical schools are doing better since there's a little chance to inject PC agenda into calculus :-). So much easier to change history or to distort literature.

Another issue is "free for all". There's no such thing as "free education". Like Margaret Thatcher used to say "there's no such thing as government money". It all comes from taxes, it all comes from our work and our wallets.

So why does it have to be public or "state run" education? I think that private education would be much better. That way we would have much more influence over what our children learn.

The only difference is that we would pay for it directly not indirectly in taxes. So I think that psychological barrier plays a main role here and the government uses it against us. Citizens have been conditioned that it is normal that the State taxes their money and spend it without asking them first. And they also don't even touch that money since it is being taken away from them and all they see is their net salary.

So that's why people think it's "free".

Why such fear of standards, you people?

Standards are fine. Thanks to high standards at Schools of Architecture the roofs are not falling down on our heads. For the same reason - standards - I always go to a private dentist and avoid state run NHS butchers (although I still have to pay for it no matter if I use it or not).

And it will end like the last one.......in tears......

Let's not despair :-). We have the power to change it.

If a bunch of a neo-marxists could build it and run it, we can destroy it and erect a much better construction in its place. It would be offensive to think otherwise.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
6 Feb 2019  #474
I will not take your prediction literally but I will remind you that the oppressive regimes have remarkable staying power.
Hitler's Germany fell because he took on too much and lost the war. China is soon going to be an equal to us and stronger than ever. The USSR fell down from the internal rot, not because people got pissed off and scared the ruling thugs into surrender. The UK is run by the Orwellian mind altering techniques causing the victim nation to identify with the oppressor class; an obedience gene on steroids.
Spike31 2 | 860
6 Feb 2019  #475
Or when they run out of money.
Progressive socialism and bloated welfare state will drain the budget and the final nail to the coffin would be millions of uneducated, permanently unemployed "refugees" milking social benefits. Have 'faith' in socialism, it has never worked in a long run and it never will :-)
cms neuf - | 867
6 Feb 2019  #476
Communism has never worked in the long run but there are many social market economies that have worked very well for 80 years now and they are mostly at the top of the charts for living standards and wealth - Sweden, Switzerland, New Zealand, Germany, Netherlands, Austria etc.

State education is also a pretty good invention - check before and after results for any country where it was introduced. Where it is a free for all then obviously you are going to get an entrenched class system of people that can afford it. Everybody should get the same chance in life and then it's up to them how they use it.
Dougpol1 30 | 2,853
6 Feb 2019  #477
I agree with Spike 100%

I agree with Lyzko 100%. So that's a draw then.

I always go to a private dentist and avoid state run NHS butchers

Congratulations. In Poland we have to pay twice.
johnny reb 16 | 3,493
6 Feb 2019  #478
I agree with Spike 100% because it is the truth unless someone can prove him wrong.
Socialism NEVER has worked and NEVER will work.
Notice that the Socialists here aren't moving to Cuba or Venezuela for a better life.
Spike31 2 | 860
6 Feb 2019  #479
Congratulations. In Poland we have to pay twice.

Well, in Britain you have to pay twice too: once to state run NHS [which you never use but still have to pay for it] and the second time to a private dentist. It's exactly the same scheme as in Poland. I know many Brits who travel to Poland, Czechia or Romania to get their teeth fixed.

And the reason is because private dentists had a better service: better equipment, no ques, better quality fillings.

Private initiative will always beat state-run institution on quality because they have to be competitive to stay in the market. A state-run institutions are being kept alive with our taxes - they don't care about any standards.
Spike31 2 | 860
6 Feb 2019  #480
Communism has never worked in the long run but there are many social market economies that have worked very well for 80 years now

All those countries had capitalist economies before the switch and now they are burning their accumulated wealth. Also, socialism wasn't introduced to them 80 years ago and not in the same scale.

West Germany was a very capitalist country in 50's and 60's, which has built foundations for their present wealth. And even now when compared to Sweden or France they still are much less socialist. But it's slowly changing now.

Switzerland doesn't belong in the group of "social market economies". Switzerland has a low income tax rates and very competitive and specialized economy. They've also rejected a guaranteed basic income in a 2016 national referendum.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36454060

And yes, they do have a welfare system but it's minimal when compared to other Western European nations. Swiss are a very proud and hard working nation. And both of those virtues: "proud" and "hard working" are hostile to socialism :-)

Where it is a free for all then obviously you are going to get an entrenched class system of people that can afford it.

Once you stop paying taxes for public schooling you'll be able to afford it.


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