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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


Crow 157 | 10,850
5 Nov 2019 #511
Some Poles may wish to leave, but as the UK's experience has shown, that is not so easy.....

To Britain it is possible. To Poland it won`t be possible. I mean, peacefully not.

What on earth are you babbling about?

I point to way how EU was involved in dissolution of Yugoslavia and partition of Serbia. Not only that key EU powers were involved most directly but they involved EU mechanism itself. Then forced USA and NATO to follow them, too. They then mobilized mass media propaganda to their own selfish aims in the region. Media provided excuse to deal with Serbs that defended themselves, region and principles for peaceful dissolution of Yugoslavia. Media also provided coverage for all kind of ops that involved collaboration with Islamic league, transport of mujaheedines and logistics to them, settling them in Bosnia. They sponsored local Nazi movements such are Croat ustashe and El-Mujaheed Nazi-Muslim unit in Bosnia and also terrorist Albanian Muslim movement UCK. Not to say that EU and western Europe inventing whole new nations when it suits to their interests, change map of the region. EU in fact committed mass genocide on Serbians and all Yugoslavians.

Etc, etc, etc.

Point is. If EU is capable for all this then what is the difference between EU and Nazi Germany? I see no difference. EU is the most terrifying regime on Earth right now. Think about it. And what Poland can expect from such an evil conglomerate on the long run. Only suffering and segmentation. Especially in situation of complete chaos that obviously occurring.

Let me just conclude and time will give many more answers.

Important is to know why EU done all this? Answer is - to satisfy selfish expansionistic interests of several western European countries. For that. For just that EU project is sent to damnation. Hopes of Europeans in vain. That is why Europeans must seek alternative.

And, my friends, crucial thing is to understand that EU committed crime against world peace.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
5 Nov 2019 #512
I point to way how EU was involved in dissolution of Yugoslavia and partition of Serbia

It is what the people wanted.
Serbs have no divine right to rule.
I hate the EU as much as you do.
But Serbia's problems were all caused by Serbs.
Nobody else to blame....
Dirk diggler 10 | 5,009
6 Nov 2019 #513
Although I live on the other side of the Pond, so to speak, I feel nonetheless that a Polexit would be sheer folly?

Poland isn't leaving the EU. Not gonna happen. Poles may not be happy with the leftist policies of the EU, but they tolerate it as long as there's freedom of movement and money keeps rolling in, highways are built, farmers get subsidies, etc. Once the money stops flowing from the overly generous and hilariously naïve western Europeans, then the approval ratings for the EU will fall. Poles will still stay in the EU for the freedom of movement for the foreseeable future though.

It's not "Us" though is it? Stop acting as though this affects you, or is any of

That'd be like if I said Brexit won't affect you... Seeing as I pay taxes to the PL government and am a Polish citizen by blood and birth, it certainly affects me and my family. The last thing I want for my motherland is for it to became like French Emirate, Germanistan, or United Kaliphate where there's sharia courts, cops patrolling social media for posts, destruction of freedom of expression and assembly, and where the natives are a minority in their own capital. The majority of Polish citizens also don't want that **** either.

Fact is, most people can't understand why so many Poles are euroskeptic and vote for euroskeptic parties yet have one of the highest approval rates in EU. It has everything to do with the Polish way of thinking, Polish history, and quite simply the worldviews that Polish people share. The fact is that Poles want to be in the EU tp move around Europe freely and receive money for public works, but they don't care for the bogus far left policies and won't abide by them. For example, Polish government backed up by the majority of the population refused to let in hordes of turd world "refugees" and dgaf if some commission or court chastises them as they have zero ability to enforce a punishment and even if they did the punishment would be far less than the alternative - terrorism, no go zones, insane levels of unemployment while demanding tons of free stuff, paki rape squads, ninjas, etc. The stuff written in right wing Polish magazines, which is quite frankly truthfulness that normal people are scared to discuss in public thanks to the thought crime police i.e. paki rape squads, no gos, etc, would be banned in most w European countries or at the very least fined even though they're discussing what's really happening.
Crow 157 | 10,850
6 Nov 2019 #514
Poles will still stay in the EU for the freedom of movement for the foreseeable future though.

Even when other Visegrad members leave EU?

It is what the people wanted.
Serbs have no divine right to rule.

Its how EU`s official propaganda want you to see.

There was no democratic process prior to secession. Germany (EU), among other things, cut off political dialogue and Civil War started- Serbs were attacked.
Internal borders between former Yugoslav republics within Yugoslavia were drawn by communists. Those borders were never defined prior to formation of Yugoslavia. Only Serbia and Montenegro existed as states before Yugoslavia and other regions were lands of mixed populace where Serbs held majority in some of their historical regions (and Serbian army liberated all those regions from hostile non-Slavs). EU took it as state borders.

Yes, I blame EU and western Europe. They acted immorally and violated international laws. They also violated Entente powers agreements with Serbia (that was in alliance to them) prior, during and after WWI. They decided to act against Serbs, because they wren`t and aren`t able to control Serbs. Its all about that. Moment EU don`t control you, you are enemy.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
6 Nov 2019 #515
Even when other Visegrad members leave EU?

Yes.
Dirk is right.
Poles will only consider leaving the EU when they no longer benefit from it and by then it will probably be too late to be able to leave.
mafketis 34 | 12,213
6 Nov 2019 #516
I think it will probably collapse under the weight of its own contradictions by then... and Poland spent 45 years staring down the USSR and it was the Soviets who blinked first.... the EU isn't really that scary in comparison.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
6 Nov 2019 #517
I think it will probably collapse under the weight of its own contradictions by then

I suspect you are right.

the EU isn't really that scary in comparison.

That is very true.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 155
6 Nov 2019 #518
Czech Republic, Poland & Hungary are breaking EU laws

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b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2019&mm=10&dd=31&nav_category=1262&nav_id=1611015

European Court of Justice lawmaker Elenor Sharpston says the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland violate EU law by refusing to comply with the European bloc's migrant quota.

In her view, the EU's highest court should rule that the three countries have not fulfilled their obligations under EU law, the AP reported.

In 2015, European nations agreed to resettle 160,000 refugees from Italy and Greece, overwhelmed by the arrival of hundreds of thousands of migrants.

The Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland, however, have refused to accept even a single migrant in the two years since that agreement.
Crow 157 | 10,850
6 Nov 2019 #519
You heard them, brate Vesko. Poles are now in utterly deluded, bribed and lethargic state.

But I begins to understand why Zeman, Duda, Orban and that brat from Slovakia want Serbia so desperately in EU and in Visegrad. Serbia would secure them easy way out of EU when comes to departure. I mean, can anybody sane imagine Germany and France try to prevent Serbia from leaving the EU when Serbia say enough and wants out? Big bear (China, too) from the east would roar and they would all cover themselves with their own ears. Then, knowing us Serbs as very complicated people, we would extend our protective umbrella and we would do all what is possible and impossible to bail other Visegrad members out from the EU. And Germans would then push to keep at least parts of Poland within EU. It would come to clash.... hm, who knows, maybe that`s the plan. I think, Germany would be one who would lose parts when comes to pushing.

I think it will probably collapse under the weight of its own contradictions by then...

By then would even our brother in Christ Pope of Rome and his apprentice Patriarch of Constantinople, pray that EU collapse.
mafketis 34 | 12,213
6 Nov 2019 #520
Poles

Crow, doing his best to kill yet another thread with his infantile Serbian pablum.

Polish forums did not die with a bang, but with a whimper of Serbian nonsense and sexually frustrated trolls trying to harass female posters.

Such a pity....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
6 Nov 2019 #521
the EU isn't really that scary in comparison

What is scary for politicians are the agricultural funds. If the EU links payments to the rule of law (let's say in a simple form - comply with ECJ judgements or payments get stopped) - then Poland and Hungary will have serious problems. Neither government can risk/afford lengthy delays to payments, and neither of them have the means to replace those payments.
Spike31 3 | 2,178
6 Nov 2019 #522
the EU isn't really that scary in comparison

The EU is a bit like an old toothless dog. It resembles a proper dog form a distance and it even barks but it cannot - and it will not - bite.

Not a while ago French and German tried to fix it by building a Bundeswehr on steroids - the so called EU army - but no other EU country was excited about it and for a good reason.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138
6 Nov 2019 #523
Polish forums did not die with a bang, but with a whimper of Serbian nonsense and sexually frustrated trolls

While all the decent posters stood by in silence, afraid to post their unlimited wisdom and eloquence out of fear of overloading the PF hard drive or contributing to global warming. How noble and considerate.
Crow 157 | 10,850
6 Nov 2019 #524
the EU isn't really that scary

Yeah, just an average pandemonium.

Polish forums did not die with a bang, but with a whimper of Serbian nonsense

One thing we know. This forum isn`t section of CNN.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
6 Nov 2019 #525
No.
But it is fast turning into a mouthpiece for Serbian and Russian lies and propaganda.
mafketis 34 | 12,213
6 Nov 2019 #526
An example of the type of contradiciton that will end the EU (more's the pity)

wiadomosci.wp.pl/francja-zamyka-granice-limity-dla-imigrantow-ekonomicznych-6443177751647873a

Presumably this is only about non EU citizens, but running an immigration policy on a year to year market basis is insane and guaranteed to fail.
Dirk diggler 10 | 5,009
7 Nov 2019 #527
The Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland, however, have refused to accept even a single migrant in the two years

Bravo!!! Sanity prevails in the motherland and v4. Besides the eu cant do **** about poland refusing to tale in terrorists, benefits bums and their ninja brides.

Also wasnt the whole migrant quota thing non binding and voluntary? How can a country violate a law thats non binding/voluntary?

Besides no punishment that the eu can threaten poles with would be worse than having terrorism, no go zones, and tons of peole who will remain unemployed for life as they collect benefits just as kaczynski stated.
Spike31 3 | 2,178
7 Nov 2019 #528
Presumably this is only about non EU citizens

They're limiting the numbers of those who want to come to Europe to actually work in favour of those who come here to live on benefits
Crow 157 | 10,850
7 Nov 2019 #529
Besides no punishment that the eu can threaten poles with would be worse than having terrorism, no go zones, and tons of people

Exactly. That is crucial. Nothing THEY unleash on Poland can`t force Poles to obey. When THEY come they will face fierce resistance. See, this reminds me, when massive mujaheedine force, back in 1999, attacked Serbian army outposts on border with Albania, local commanding general Nebojsa Pavkovic, said to soldiers: ``Behind us is Serbia. Our people, mothers, sisters and children. No retreat!``

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Photo during `Koshare battle`; defending position of Serbian army vs. mujaheedines supported by NATO, French legion of strangers and regular Albanian army >>> source> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosare

Stood bravely Poles. Protect, defend Poland!
mafketis 34 | 12,213
7 Nov 2019 #530
limiting the numbers of those who want to come to Europe to actually work in favour of those who come here to live on benefits

I'm sure that will be the result - and by changing the numbers of up to the minute market needs they're guaranteeing that a large number will end up unemployed and undeportable... dysfunctional policy.
Crow 157 | 10,850
7 Nov 2019 #531
Except behind them was Kosovo. Where the Serbs still terrorized the local population.

Considering we are on Polish forum, good to be reminded that Polish parliament of that time initiated independent investigation about facts in the region. So, Ikonowich and Sierkowska traveled to Macedonia to talk to Albanian refugees that fled there from Kosovo. All Albanians told them that they escaped from NATO bombs and not from Serbs.

Comment of right winged Catholic Jan Lopuzanski in parliament of Poland, in case with NATO bombing of Serbs was (citation): ,,Today NATO bomb Serbs, tomorrow would bomb Poland.``
Lyzko 33 | 8,313
27 Oct 2021 #532
Merged:

POLEXIT - Lost cause or winning strategy?



Once again, it seems that the ultra-conservative Duda administration is pushing against the EU to establish "independence" from the clutches of Bruxelles.

Seems to me that such is counter-productive, particularly since the whole idea of Europe ever since Metternich has been to unite the continent into a cohesive whole, each separately proud of their own individual languages and cultures, while able to turn to one single governing body in time of crisis.

As Germany welcomes in a new chancellor after nearly seventeen years, how will Poland fare in a post-Merkel Europe and isn't she better off a part of rather than separate from the European Union?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,969
27 Oct 2021 #533
how will Poland fare in a post-Merkel Europe

I think it's a tad early to say....every new gov will need time to find its footing.....not matter who becomes foreign minister...

In the end my guess is that the EU will kinda split, inofficially....the often mentioned "Europe of the two speeds". Into those group of countries which are willing to integrate their nations more and become in time a USE, and those who don't want to. Who are perfectly happy with how it is....or was...

It won't be the end of the EU, to many advantages for the members, but that is a nod to the many different traditions the member states come from, and some of these are just not reconcilable....

Where Poland will end up seems clear right now....
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
27 Oct 2021 #534
@Bratwurst Boy

I disagree.
If what you say happens, I think that will be the beginning of the end of The EU.
And I can see it coming.
AntV 5 | 731
27 Oct 2021 #535
Where Poland will end up seems clear right now

Where will Germany end up in a two-speed EU? Does the majority of Germans want a deep integration...to be part of an USE?
Miloslaw 14 | 4,495
27 Oct 2021 #536
Does the majority of Germans want a deep integration...to be part of an USE?

I will let Bratwurst answer that one, but I suspect that many Germans do......as long as they are in charge.... LOL!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,969
27 Oct 2021 #537
If what you say happens, I think that will be the beginning of the end of The EU.

In a kind it is!

The EU as it is now seems to have become to big....dysfunctional....to many different members....who can't seem to find a compromise in that important question: more integration or back to the trade union of the beginning.

That's why a split is in my opinion a logical consequence.....then both groups of countries don't have to fight each other anymore.....the old EU, those not wanting to become the USE, will probably further called EU.....all in good time of course, that all won't happen overnight.

Where will Germany end up in a two-speed EU?

Part of the inner, faster core of course! Whenever people are talking about it (in Germany that is), they seem to have certain countries in mind....more or less the founder countries + some interested.
Crow 157 | 10,850
27 Oct 2021 #538
1999

Jan Lopuzanski in parliament of Poland, in case with NATO bombing of Serbs (citation): ,,Today NATO bomb Serbs, tomorrow would bomb Poland.``

2021

Why Is Poland Fighting the Supremacy of European Union Courts?

> nytimes.com/2021/10/08/world/europe/poland-opposes-european-union-laws.html

Ursula von der Leyen, .... "all rulings by the European Court of Justice are binding on all member states'

2040

?
AntV 5 | 731
28 Oct 2021 #539
Part of the inner, faster core of course!

But, why? Maybe I've misunderstood some of the current trends in Germany we've talked about, but I thought Germany has kind of awakened to wanting to conserve it's specific culture--am I wrong about that? Wouldn't a deeper integration compromise that?
mafketis 34 | 12,213
28 Oct 2021 #540
Part of the inner, faster core of course!

Germany + France together =/= fast

German + France together = quagmire and endless petty disagreements so that it takes forever to get anything done....


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