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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #391
Can't have closer political integration while you still have eurocrats punishing countries

In a closer union with a common army there will be no longer "eurocrats punishing countries"....it will be the same way Washington rules over Iowa, Montana or Idaho...

Decision time!

Or Poland could just develop its own nuclear weapons which I'd favor above all else.

Poland the next Iran? That's your vision for Poland?
TheOther 5 | 3,891
15 Sep 2018 #392
No, it's because they're lazy, uneducated...

dw.com/en/when-refugees-want-to-work-in-germany/a-18737104
Tacitus 2 | 889
15 Sep 2018 #393
Laziness is rarely the problem with refugees. Most of them want to get a job to get out of the refugee shelter. The problem is that they do not speak German and many of them never really received a proper education. They never learned how to learn so to speak. This is something you can not make up once you are an adult.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #394
In a closer union with a common army there will be no longer "eurocrats punishing countries"..

Thanks but most poles would rather rely on the US and nato. Weve already been burned before numerous times by our so called european allies.

dw.com/en/when-refugees-want-to-work-in-germany/a-18737104

Thats the kicker - 'when' refugees want to work.... which is almost never... its a shame german media is still calling the million people that came in refugees when the vast majority are clearly economic migrants all to deceive the public that theyre refugees in need fleeing war when in fact the vast majority are not and are simply lazy bums looking for free sh1t. That's why 75% to 99% are unemployed. If someone wants to find a job they can. Its that simple. Theres plenty of Mexicans that cant speak english and many aremt even legal yet they manage to work everyday and not leech off citizens welfare

Once the person has been in Germany for 15 months, they don't have to be submitted to this test

So why are 75% to 99% of migrants/refugees unemplpyed for 5 years plus?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #395
ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f

Aydan Özoğuz, commissioner for immigration, refugees and integration, told the Financial Times that only a quarter to a third of the newcomers would enter the labour market over the next five years, and "for many others we will need up to 10.

So much for the myth that migrants/refugees are taking jobs the germans don't want and contributing to rhe economy lololol. No wonder merkel and the eu want to spread the 'burden' around... merkels words - saying other countries must share the burden.... but wait i thought she said these were doctors and engineers? She said theyll enrich thr country. She said that they'll fill a labor shortage. What a liar....

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Statistics from the Federal Labour Agency show the employment rate among refugees stands at just 17 per cent. It said 484,000 of the refugees are looking for work, up from 322,000 last July - an increase of 50 per cent.

Of those, 178,500 are officially unemployed, meaning they not only have no work but are not enrolled in any training programmes or language courses - up 27 per cent on last July.

Bunch of lazy non working welfare leeching third world bums. They need to be sent back immediately.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #396
Thanks but most poles would rather rely on the US and nato. Weve already been burned before numerous times by our so called european allies.

Where were they during your partitions...WWI....how did they treat you after WWII...and the cold war?

Poland had been burned because they relied on far away countries instead to get close to it's neighbours...a behaviour seen again today... Instead to immerse yourself into the EU, becoming an integral, essential part of it, shaping it for the best of Poland you (and Johnny) keep on blaming others for doing it. Again preferring the image of the "proud loner".

Maybe that has something to do with the polish mentality, who knows...
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #397
Where were they during your partitions...WWI....how did they treat you after WWII...and the cold war?

No differently than uk. Difference is the UK actually had a mutual defense treaty which they didn't honor. Us and poland didnt have a treaty
Tacitus 2 | 889
15 Sep 2018 #398
Dirk, unlike you I have seen and heard how refugees behave in German classes. Most of them were heavily motivated, they came early and the teachers had to pry the books out of their hands in the end. The problem is however, that it is impossible to learn in a few months what others have öearned in years.

She said theyll enrich thr country. She said that they'll fill a labor shortage. What a liar....

She never said anything of this. Though that explain why you keep using the term enrichement so much. Do you believe that you are sarcastically quoting Merkel?

Edit. She did use term when talking about migration in general, not refugees.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #399
Karin Göring-Eckardt said that...she says alot of dumb stuff. One of the reasons I could never vote Green...
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #400
Most of them were heavily motivated,

to rape and pillage....

She never said anything of this.

Oh she absolutely did - she said that the people coming over were doctors and engineers, she said that islam and migrants will 'culturally enrich' Germany and she said that the german population is aging and needs workers - all of which were lies

Merkel even tried to stop German media from reporting on a migrant beheading his 1 year old daughter for fear that it would incite native Germans even more against migrants.

Germany's largest newspaper, Bild, report on the death of the mother of four, without mentioning the details regarding the barbaric murder of her child.

German authorities have also been ordered to clamp down on independent bloggers caught sharing the damning footage....

Except here it is - eat it Merkel - jihadwatch.org/2018/07/video-from-germany-muslim-migrant-beheads-1-year-old-girl-merkel-bans-media-reporting

She has singlehandledy destroyed not only Germany's culture and identity but caused tons of division as well thanks to allowing in a bunch of third worlders into the country and saying 'we can do this.' Only to admit later she ****** up and would do things differently. Well thanks, an apology and regret isn't going to get rid of the millions of third worlders leeching tens of billions in benefits, it won't unrape thousands of women, it won't bring back all the Europeans they've killed and as long as they're still here you can bet that the right wing will only gain more seats and more power.
Tacitus 2 | 889
15 Sep 2018 #401
Oh she absolutely did

No she never did. I dare you to find a direct quote of her stating that only doctors or engineers were coming.

Merkel even tried to stop German media

No she did not. That is just what sites like jihadiwatch made up.

You know Dirk, just because you have a pathological liar who fights the media in the White House does not mean that you can simply make the same accusations against Merkel.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #402
"If it was indeed the authorities' plan to censor the news and keep the information of the beheading under wraps, then it backfired. Due to the reports about the raid, thousands of people have seen the video, and hundreds of thousands have heard about the botched censorship attempt. Even worse for the would-be censors, they unwittingly revealed the very detail that they wanted to keep from the public," writes Stefan Frank.

Attempts by the anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany (AfD) to confirm whether or not the child was beheaded were rebuffed when Hamburg's government, in breach of its constitutional duty, refused to answer, while also blacking out large sections of a report about the murders that related to the beheading.

Sad... Merkel's government even clamps down on media so as not to put migrants in a bad light...

Hamburg's ministry of justice concluded its investigation by declaring, "the double murder is a crime of passion that must not be of any interest to the public."

Video on Orwellian Germany:
youtube.com/watch?v=kYmTFL9nbRQ
The Mass Brainwashing of Germany - I'm afraid a few of our PF colleagues have already been brainwashed....

Oh and FYI - it appears this video is banned in Germany.... man I can't believe what Germanty has become
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #403
Dirk, I live here! No matter what they tell you, it's not THAT bad as you make it out to be... Trust me abit on that! :)
Ironside 49 | 9,917
15 Sep 2018 #404
some truly nutty economics on this thread.

Are you talking about yourself? All you saying hey guys look there is improvement since 2004 hence the Eu is good for Poland\s economy, without EU Poland's economy would be in a terrible state.

Poland's economy has been improving even before 2004. That is not the point, the point is ---are those changed are a good changes for a long term economy development. The answer is some are but some aren't. Some is due to internal issues and some are due to external issues and while we at it the EU as whole doesn't help to solve those issues but create more problems for Poland.

In my view those two facts:

1,EU doesn't help to solve issues

2. Create more issues for Poland to solve

\Outweighs all good stuff and issues that came with the EU membership.

GDP.

Man GDP is only a part of the picture not the most important and doesn't tell the full story of the economical state and its perspectives to develop and progress.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #405
it's not THAT bad as you make it out to be...

Not that bad huh? Well it sure is a hell of a lot worse than before Merkel invited in a bunch of turd worlders. Before 2015 there were no thousands of sexual assaults let alone in 1 night, there were no regular terrorist attacks, there weren't tons of no go zones, there was no 25 billion going to migrants - more than on education for the country, police were not telling women not to jog alone, Christmas markets were not attacked, babies weren't beheaded on subways, germans weren't getting regularly stabbed and killed by third worlders, etc. All that started AFTER merkel brought in a ton of third worlders.

Merkel caused a hell of a lot of destruction by letting all these people, and I use the term people very loosely here, in. Thanks to her decision there's been thousands of women rapes, hundreds of germans killed, billions unnecessarily spent, violent crime has gone up with migrants representing 92% of the increase and Europe is more divided than ever.
Ironside 49 | 9,917
15 Sep 2018 #406
an I can't believe what Germanty has become

Well what did you know about Germany before that migration crisis? Not much I gather,. They never had freedom of speech as is understood in the US, hell Poland has much more freedom of speech than Germany, France and UK.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #407
Not that bad huh?

Yes...not that bad! Me and nobody in my family or on my 'hood was beheaded, raped killed, mugged or stabbed. Nobody tried to convert us either...there are still the two churches chiming their bells loudly in the near (one catholic, one protestant), the supermarkets are full, the streets are quiet...life is still mostly good here.

The biggest problem for Berliners is actually to find housing. There is an excruciating bad housing situation in all big cities..now THAT is bad! And you can justifiable blame Merkels gov for that...
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #408
hell Poland has much more freedom of speech than Germany, France and UK.

That is true they never had much freedom of speech. I've been to Germany numerous times as I have family in Dortmund and Berlin. THe country was far far different 10 years ago than it is today. There were always a lot of Turks and Kurds, which were generally well assimilated and many spoke perfect German, but compare 2008 to 2018 it's like night and day. Germany didn't have a fraction of the problems it does today back then - almost all of which can be attributed to merkels decision to allow over a million unvetted third world migrants in.

Me and nobody in my family or on my 'hood was beheaded, raped killed, mugged or stabbed.

I guess you're lucky as thousands of Germans have been either raped, killed, mugged, stabbed, etc or the term I prefer 'culturally enriched' - all thanks to Merkel's decision to allow in over a million migrants and telling the populace 'we can do this.' If she didn't bring in all those turd worlders then those thousands of germans who have been stabbed, raped, mugged, killed, etc. wouldn't of been. I'm sure life isn't that bad for most Germans - but the point is it could be a whole lot better without the migrants, as it was a whole lot better before merkle's decision back in 2015 to let in all these people. Her decision has caused nothing but problems. NOTHING good came out of it... NOTHING...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #409
That is true they never had much freedom of speech.

I can say what I want...I have no interest in denying the holocaust nor do I plan to call out for the murder of someone or a whole group of people though....so I'm on the safe side... :)
johnny reb 18 | 3,799
15 Sep 2018 #410
If Johnny means Russia

I do not think (personally) it will be Russia that turns the E.U. into ashes.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
15 Sep 2018 #411
I can say what I want.

If you write certain things about migrants or upload videos about migrants murdering someone like the dude who uploaded the video of the migrant as he beheaded his own baby then you can expect a knock from the german security services...

inc.com/joseph-steinberg/germanys-tough-new-social-media-law-punishes-offensive-posts-with-fines-of-up-to-60-million.html

economist.com/europe/2018/01/13/germany-is-silencing-hate-speech-but-cannot-define-it

"WHAT the hell is wrong with this country?" fumed Beatrix von Storch to her 30,000 Twitter followers on December 31st: "Why is the official police page in NRW [North Rhine-Westphalia] tweeting in Arabic?" The MP for the hard-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party detected in the force's multilingual new-year greeting a bid "to appease the barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men". The next day her tweet-and, for 12 hours, her entire account-vanished from Twitter. In the subsequent political storm Alice Weidel, co-leader of the AfD, came to Ms von Storch's defence: "Our authorities are subordinating themselves to imported, rampaging, groping, punching, stabbing migrant mobs," she tweeted. That, too, was promptly deleted.

Pretty sad that a post that criticizes migrants, even if its non violent, can get your house raided....

Even mentioning the ethnicity or national origin is frowned up:
dw.com/en/german-media-respond-to-new-rules-on-reporting-ethnicity-of-criminals/a-38251869
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #412
If you write certain things about migrants or upload videos about migrants murdering someone...

Define "certain"....

And I never heard of the second case...do you have more info? Or do you mean that?

welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article175390984/Tod-am-Jungfernstieg-Es-wird-20-Uhr-und-dann-geht-es-hier-los.html

I repeat, I can say what I want!

PS: I think I know now what you meant:

Here is more about the video...

focus.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-kritik-an-polizei-razzia-wie-rechte-den-messer-mord-von-jungfernstieg-missbrauchen_id_8824400.html

It was made by some "gospel singer" whose horrified voice can be heard. It was uploaded to his youtube channel by one Heinrich K. aus Eilbek.

....Polizei und Staatsanwaltschaft haben am 20. April eine Razzia bei Heinrich K. durchgeführt. Begründung: Die Veröffentlichung der Bilder des toten Kleinkindes und seiner sterbenden Mutter verstoße gegen die Persönlichkeitsrechte der Opfer. Diese Rechte wirken auch nach dem Tod.

(my translation) "Police and prosecutors office justified the razzia with the personal rights of the dying mother and the baby. These rights are still valid even after their death."

Reminds me abit about that video of that beheaded American a few years back. It was deleted from youtube soon to, many people just find such a video inhuman and impious, disrespecting the victim....you can call it censorship if you want. Others would call it decency.

Even mentioning the ethnicity or national origin is frowned up:

I agree, that's stupid. People get only more suspicious...and since 2015 I personally don't feel anymore that the media go to any lengths to avoid the naming. If it's an Ali or an Aishe they say it, if it's an refugee or a migrant they say it.

It would be useless not to anyhow since people have alot ways to inform theirselves. That is a fight they surely lost by now.
Crnogorac3 1 | 352
15 Sep 2018 #413
@Bratwurst Boy

Sorry to be the one to inform you of this but Germany is not a country. It has been under occupation since 1945 by Anglo-American Zionism.

@Dirk Diggler

I agree on your point, Germans as a nation have been "mentally castrated" by the Holocaust myth and as a people have been obtruded by the WWII "guilt complex" which is instilled in them since a young age. It is like they live with the ultimate fear if someone would call them the "N" word... For this reason they allow coloured migrants to literally walk all over them.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #414
Sorry to be the one to inform you of this but Germany is not a country. It has been under occupation since 1945 by Anglo-American Zionism.

Well...I was under occupation by the Soviets and their east German boot lickers till '89...no anglo-american zionist in sight.
Tacitus 2 | 889
15 Sep 2018 #415
Germany has in general strict privacy laws, a legacy of the Third Reich and the GDR (at least the GDR ist often used as a justification).

You are in general not allowed to upload any video or picture of a person without his explicite consent (there are exceptions, e.g. large crowds are acceptable).

Every country has different standards what it dems accepable. Profanity is more accepted in Germany, while depictions of violence are more accepted in the USA.

fumed Beatrix von Storch

I really would not quote von Storch on anything here. She is seen as a joke even by her own party which is why she hardly visits talkshows anymore.

The incident you describe here is a perfect example when she said something stupid and tried to cover it up. The police published the greetings in German, English, French and Arab, aka as the 4 most frequently spoken languages in the city.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884
15 Sep 2018 #416
Profanity is more accepted in Germany, while depictions of violence are more accepted in the USA.

A great cultural difference, if you ask me. Advertising with guns is totally okay in the US...killing people gets only shrugs...but the horror if there could be a nipple to be seen...shock!

In Germany it really is the other way around, nipples galore...nude people no problems...There would never be a nipple gate in Germany. :) But drastic violence? Nope...
Crnogorac3 1 | 352
15 Sep 2018 #417
Poster of the Nasional Samling from 1944
It is unbelievable how perfectly contemporary American culture was dissected 72 years ago, before it all came to light as it is today.

usa

This is how Germans viewed their American "liberators".
Tacitus 2 | 889
15 Sep 2018 #418
Advertising with guns is totally okay in the US...killing people gets only shrugs...but the horror if there could be a nipple to be seen...shock!

Indeed. Each their own I guess.

@Crnogorac3

Are you serious here? You are using Nazi propaganda to describe the Americans? The same propaganda that claimed that the Americans would completely destroy Germany so that it never could be rebuild?

The truth is, American soldiers were very popular among the Germans. They were seen as the most benevelent soldiers (which is understandable, considering that the USA suffered less during the war than other countries) and they remained highly popular for the entire Cold War. In fact, the USA was idolized to a degree by most Germans, they hoped that Germany would become one day as democratic as the USA. Unfortunately if you idolize someone, it hits you especially hard when he does not live up to your expectations. Which explains the backlash against Vietnam, Bush and now Trump.
Crow 137 | 7,756
15 Sep 2018 #419
Are you serious here? You are using Nazi propaganda to describe the Americans?

All traces of crime suggests that US bankers created Hitler, same as previously Germany invented Lenin. Sure, not just bankers but big magnates, too.

US administration before Trump, Clinton and friends, look whom they supported... Nazis of Croatia, Nazis of Ukraine, Nazis of Baltic states, Muslim-Nazis in Bosnia and Kosovo. Look what propaganda machinery they used to justify their deeds... real Nazi way of propaganda. Trump ending this trend, I hope.

You don`t understand how is humanity ruled?
johnny reb 18 | 3,799
16 Sep 2018 #420
Oh I do Crow.
The elite Natzi's that disappeared and went underground are coming out of hibernation to join up with the Russian elites to do it again.

They will do again what they have done throughout history when they have power over the weak, divided enemies and take full advantage of the situation.

Don't you think Russian and German leaders are going to exploit this division ? (Nord Stream is leverage)
Germans are angry at the United States and especially furious with Trump calling them out on it.
The imperialistic ambition that prompted Germany to start two world wars is alive and well.
In fact it is seething.


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