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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


Crow 137 | 7,756
18 May 2019 #631
I hope brat Corey Lewandowski do his magic in Poland, too. Is he active there these days?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,614
18 May 2019 #632
Brat Lewandowski is busy earning his millions ...
Crow 137 | 7,756
18 May 2019 #633
I hope he invest few of those millions wisely in Poland. He entered in business with Bosnian Serbs. He don`t wish to see ancestral land of Polish Jadwiga ruled by Muslims.

Poland need new political elite in power. I hope Poland start to seriously coordinate with Hungary and with my country (Serbia) instead to cut every possibility for closer ties. Let`s face it, without our closer cooperation Poland will be simple consumed by western Europe. If Slavic Poland wants to survive, coordination with Serbia is must. With Hungary, also must. No coordination, no Poland of free Poles. Only blind don`t see this.
Spike31 2 | 884
18 May 2019 #634
Yet, we still love him. :):)

So you are supporting breaking the UE law by the man who should stand for them in the first place.

How do you expect regular people to care about them when even, so called, president of the EU doesn't obey them?

To me this is a sign that those laws are worthless. And the organisation which is based on worthless laws is equally worthless.
Ironside 49 | 9,917
18 May 2019 #635
E.g., who would you vote if you had the voting rights in Poland?

Konfederacja
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
19 May 2019 #636
And the organisation which is based on worthless laws is equally worthless.

Calling the Polish state "worthless" is rather extreme. Then again, given the deep links between Konfederacja and Russia, quite understandable why you'd regard the III RP as worthless.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
19 May 2019 #637
Because even if they stole some money, it is peanuts compared to what new PIS bolsheviks have grabbed so far

I sometimes wonder if you are for real
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
19 May 2019 #638
No, of course not, I was made by silver creatures on the moon and sent onto Earth through moonshine to stir ferment among rightards. Forget about me, I exist only in the Matrix of your mind.. :):)
Ziemowit 12 | 3,614
19 May 2019 #639
Konfederacja

And Jesus wept ...
gumishu 11 | 5,017
19 May 2019 #641
Forget about me, I exist only in the Matrix of your mind.. :):)

have you gone to strike btw pawian?
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
19 May 2019 #642
What do you mean? :)
gumishu 11 | 5,017
19 May 2019 #643
I mean the famous teachers' strike
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
19 May 2019 #644
No, I didn`t. But it doesn`t matter - if I did or not, I won`t vote PiS for any treasures of the world. :):)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
19 May 2019 #645
Interesting to see that the nationalist Freedom Party have just caused their government to collapse. Unsurprisingly, their deputy Chancellor was trying to do dodgy deals with a "Russian".

A vote for nationalists is a vote for Russia.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
20 May 2019 #647
Delph it's not the entire party and to my understanding it's just one dude who resigned. Plus freedom party is still popular. It's one dude who was making business deals with 1 Russian woman. I personally don't see what the big deal is. Most business transactions have some form of one hand washes the other. The bigger the deal the more looking out for each other.

Seems to me that the voters there would prefer a relatively cozy relationship with Russia than be flooded with third worlders and have their society totally changed for the worse like in France, Germany, sweden, etc. Salvini and obran don't hide wanting a better relationship with Russia either. The w European powers are gainst salvini, obran, Kurz, etc because these guys revolting since they don't share merkel, junckers, etc vision of a multi kulti migrant society that does away with European culture and roots so they're going to look elsewhere to a powerful person and country that matches their vision and ideology more closely. In this case it's Putin and Russia.
cms neuf - | 1,030
20 May 2019 #648
Yes its just one guy - unfortunately he is the leader of the party

This is not horsetrading and it is not business - it is public politics and the corrupt granting of contracts to Russian firms

You might be right that the people of Austria are more concerned about Muslims than about a Russian corruption in a mpublic life - they have an election now in a few weeks and where we will find out the answer to that question
mafketis 21 | 7,481
20 May 2019 #649
Seems to me that the voters there would prefer a relatively cozy relationship with Russia

There is no such thing as "a relatively cozy relationship" with Russia because historically (and now) the Russian state only recognizes two types of relationships

-vassal states

-enemies

The corrupt and amoral of any political stripe might try to profit from the corrupt nature of the Russian government but doing so is never better for a country if they have any other realistic option.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
20 May 2019 #650
You might be right that the people of Austria are more concerned about Muslims than about a Russian corruption in a mpublic life

They aren't. the FPO have been steadily sinking in popularity since the last election, and Kurz's OVP has been taking their electorate away from them. Kurz is no fool, there's a very good chance that the FPO support will move to the OVP, especially as Kurz hasn't really made any mistakes. The OVP are up to 38% in the polls, and the FPO are down to 18% already. He already painted the FPO as corrupt and untrustworthy, and he's made it clear that there may be criminal liability too.

I suspect Kurz knew all along about these tapes, and that their release was timed to allow him to push through some big political changes. Now that the FPO is in trouble, it's the perfect time to go for a majority in their parliament.

In related Polish news, PM Morawiecki is now involved in a huge land scandal where he was able to acquire a plot of land for significantly lower than market value.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
20 May 2019 #651
-vassal states-enemies

If anything America has that type of with us or against us policy. Hell even Bush stated it publicly not too long ago.

Which do Hungary, Austria, and Italy fall into? They're part of NATO so militarily they are a potential enemy against Russia, but not much of a threat individually and would likely not want to go to war. They're not a vassal as Russia doesn't have bases and their business interests are limited.

corrupt granting of contracts

One hand washes the other. This happens in every single country in the world where public contracts are awarded to friends, family, or to get something in return whether it's massive multi billion dollar contracts or 5 figure municipal construction jobs. I don't see what the big deal is. The smarter ones figure out how to make the system work for them and the fools complain about it.

@delphiandomine
I don't follow Austrian politics this closely. I do know though that FPO is pretty damn popular and they're in a similar boat as PiS and Fidesz. I guess the upcoming elections will determine how dynamics have changed.
cms neuf - | 1,030
20 May 2019 #652
It is certainly the norm in Chicago and in many other US cities where the mob has mixed with party machines over many decades.

However this kind of behaviour is unusual in Western Europe - Hi taxes and high levels of civil engagement mean your typical citizen of Vienna is not going to just shrug when he sees that tax money being funnelled into the pocket of some Russians

Poland Is also becoming much more transparent but still has a long way to go
Spike31 2 | 884
20 May 2019 #653
Historically speaking Austria was penetrated by GRU and KGB residents to a level not seen in any other Western country and they were very passive and never expelled any of them. So I'm not very surprised by this turn of events.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
20 May 2019 #654
I do know though that FPO is pretty damn popular and they're in a similar boat as PiS and Fidesz

No, nowhere near as popular. They only won 20% of the vote last time, and Kurz is going after their support.

It's actually good news for Salvini, because the FPO were the ones threatening to give Austrian passports to the German-speaking minority in South Tyrol.

I don't see what the big deal is.

It's a big enough deal that Kurz called for snap elections within hours and that the FPO's support has already dropped by 6% almost overnight.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
20 May 2019 #655
Again, big deal. You think this kind of stuff doesn't happen with the liberal parties? They're just as bad if not worse. Giving contracts to friends family and people who will give you something in return happens in every country every state every municipality all over the world regardless of what government or who's in charge.

Austria has lax espionage laws that's why there's always been cia kgb and now Gru svd agents etc.

And FYI I don't live in Chicago
mafketis 21 | 7,481
20 May 2019 #656
Again, big deal.

Acceptance of corruption as just the way the world works is an excellent indicator that country is going to go nowhere fast, the more people like you in Poland the worse for the country. The more who ruthlessly and impartially go after corruption (no matter the party) the better.

People like you are bad for Poland...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
20 May 2019 #657
That's why an independent civil service based on competence is so important, because it's much harder for politicians to get away with it. It's also the reason why one of the first things PiS did was to get rid of the requirements for competency.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
20 May 2019 #658
Rather it's just those who weren't crafty enough to figure out how to benefit from it that are complaining about it. And everyone has their price

And PO was totally immune from corruption? Never had a scandal right?

Omg now I love konfederacja even more.

timesofisrael.com/polish-candidate-puts-kippah-on-rival-says-her-party-kneels-to-jews/

During the debate, Dawid Lewicki, a candidate for the far-right Confederation political alliance, stuck a kippah in front of a candidate from the ruling Law and Justice party and said, "This is the symbol of Law and Justice. They kneel before the Jews, they sell the country for $300 billion," according to Polish press reports.

Hahaha oh man
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
20 May 2019 #659
Latest poll before elections to the European Parliament on Sunday:

KE: 36%
PiS: 35%
Wiosna: 10%
Konfederacja: 8%
Kukiz'15: 3%
Lewica Razem: 1%

Or if you divide it into the two main blocs, it gives a result of 47% to the opposition parties and 46% to the right wing parties.

The poll reported that KE win overwhelmingly in large cities over 100,000 people, and draw with PiS in smaller cities under 100,000, while PiS dominate in villages. The more interesting thing is that the battle in this election has turned out to be KE vs Wiosna and PiS vs Konfederacja. The intriguing thing about this election is that you've got mixed urban-rural electoral districts, which isn't the case in other elections.

It was also reported that there's very little movement between KE and PiS now, meaning that the election may well hinge on Wiosna and Konfederacja/Kukiz. Wiosna are taking advantage of the disgust over the church harbouring paedophiles, Konfederacja/Kukiz are gaining from PiS being perceived as weak on restitution claims from the USA.

Morawiecki is also coming under intense pressure over a land deal that he did, but I think it's too late in the day to change any minds.
Spike31 2 | 884
20 May 2019 #660
Konfederacja/Kukiz are gaining from PiS being perceived as weak on restitution claims from the USA.

A voice of reason from you, @delphiandomine warm up my heart :-)

'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!' Luke 15:3-7

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