Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

A chap at the University of E________ in Katowice allegedly was gifted a large villa in Brynow in Katowice for (literally) a song and a dance (a close neighbour to Gierek) after the owner forfeited the property and emigrated on a state sponsored flight to America.

He is a most unlikeable individual according to my source. The property is quite close to the forest and the ve-hicles sitting outside are a sight for sore eyes. It's quite amazing how few forest fires there were in Poland when the summers are dry.

Except he didn't. He was actually enslaved by the Germans in a concentration camp, before being forcibly conscripted into the Wehrmacht. He never fought against Poles, and escaped from the unit as soon as he could.

Doug - it seems interesting that our friend here seems incapable of answering a simple question about our hero and his properties.

Seen the 80's Solidarity films have you? Tusk was a leader even then. Infinitely more so than this bleached teeth chap masquerading as president - soon to be replaced methinks.

In all the Brexit argument, Tusk stood tall as the voice of reason, and I would like to think that a liberal democracy shall prevail. Time will tell.


Just as Oscar Wilde was loathe to speak about hunting, I can't really say here what I think about the leading PIS politicians.
I would be arrested.

It's enough to know that dear "bolek_tusk" here has no problem with communists in positions of power. Vote PiS, get communism.

Sometimes I wonder whether you just say things like this because you really believe it or it is a simple emotional trigger?

Tusk has it's qualities. One of the main ones is that he is a skilled manipulator. He looks good in a media as long as he doesn't have to face in discussion someone who sticks to the facts and ask hard questions .

He can shine as long as he has got full mass-media support behind him. And he will not come back to Polish politics unless he would get a guaranteed prominent political position.

I would really like to see him being interviewed by Marcin Bąk from TV Republika or at least by Robert Mazurek from RMF FM. I'm not a sadist so I would put him in front of S.Michalkiewicz or some other heavyweight political collumnist, not that Tusk would ever accept such a challenge.

No, sorry, I think you're slightly confused there. He's a third rate columnist in media that's barely read by anyone.

Let's not forget that he was also strangely able to access law studies in the PRL, something that wasn't exactly open to the proletariat.

Unlike the UK, Poland has 'Wolnosc Slowa'

You forgot about an interrogation in front of PiS commission led by Małgorzata Wasserman? It lasted 7 hours and PiS had to give up because they couldn`t hook him on anything. They also asked hard questions as you said. To no avail. Later memes appeared: Master and Margaret.

PiS is afraid of Tusk because they haven`t got an equally natural born politician in their ranks apart from Kaczyński.

@delphiandemine

You're confusing things. Studying law was open to anyone but getting a position in a communist judiciary system after the studies, now that was another story.

And also like you can see on his website: michalkiewicz.pl/ it is a very popular source of information.

But it is kind of optimistic that all you can say against him is that he has studied law ;-)

@Dougpol1

I suppose I can see and compare both countries. I worked few years in Poland and I have some 'initial capital' from ZUS. It is hardly anything when I get to retirement age. My parents got final salary pensions in Poland which are quite good. Now it is interim period in Poland and people don't quite understand that ZUS pension will be very low so they will have to start saving in private pensions. It will be obvious for next generation. In this aspect I am glad to live and work in England as I have chance to retire on decent pension.

I think policeman retire earlier -I know someone - he was quite high rank - just retired at 54 and he will get police pension now. I guess he will get state one at 66.

We can agree on many things you saying here. I just don't understand why you would blindly assume that somehow PiS is a worst option for Poland than PO.

A fact that PO wasn't giving ANY help to those in need but instead was heading towards banana- Republic model with corruption was in fashion and nothing was actually done for the public. Taxes went up during PO rule a lot.

At least for better or worse there is some investment into infrastructure.

That is why they lost but instead learning the lesson I hear these 'arguments' that only rural, and uneducated people voted/support PIS.

Just example family 2-3 children wife shop assistant, husband bus driver- live in middle size city,have mortgage- whom they would vote ? PIS with extra 1000-1500 a month plus chance for tax reducting or for PO' banana republic'?

pretty much the case now, i don't think you were in Poland so you maybe don't remember the parliamentary campaign.... PiS ran on a platform of not being.... PiS. That is Kaczyński and Macierewicz were kept out of public and did no campaigning and PiS was marketing itself as a changed party - of normal non-scary Christian Democrats - which would certainly make sense. Szydło suggested that JK and AM would play no role in a second PiS government and many people believed her.

The second results were announced JK all but shoved Szydło off stage and his very first agenda was to attack the constitution and to try to turn the judicial system into his own personal rubber stamp factory.

I knew people that voted for PiS and within a week were completely disillusioned and felt betrayed.
That's why educated people turned away from the party - they didn't like feeling fooled.
Had PiS acted like a normal Christian Democrat party working within the existing system and not squandering public monies on crazy Smolensk stuff and a completely unnecessary 'reform' of the education system and not tried to cut down Białowieża...then they might have more educated support.

Educated and intelligent. Fortunately,:):) PiS` primitive propaganda reminding one of Stalinist times successfully puts them off. E.g., how can intelligent people support PiS if the evening news covering Tusk`s latest lecture combines him with Hitler and Stalin who, as it was alluded, are his patrons?

PiS media have been lying and manipulating in this way since 2105.

read an article about it.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/wpadka-szefowej-wiadomosci-tvp-jednak-wycieli-hitlera-z-materialu-o-wykladzie-donalda-tuska-6377299841316993a

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It seems that not only Poles are laughing at the collaborator and informer Bolek. Now the French are having a good giggle:-

nczas.com/2019/05/03/i-po-co-mu-to-bylo-francuzi-znecaja-sie-nad-walesa-wlasnie-roztrwonil-resztki-autorytetu-ktore-kolataly-sie-po-swiecie/

Not surprising that he doesn't feature in the Bolshevik Coalition's electioneering meetings.

One has to wonder why you keep posting things from fringe right wing media outlets.

Pawian/Mafketis.

I suppose they started well and not all reforms are bad- with sure bad is reducing retirement age to 60. It is very bad idea with less children born, people living-working longer it will turn into disaster. Clearly there will be no money.

Unfortunately all this political over patriotic actions put people off. All these 'wieczernice'? it is over the top.It was tragic but it was accident.

I don't have polish tv- When I ma in Poland I don't watch news as they are unwatchable. They are all PIS praising but to be honest previous ones were not different sarcastic , malicious anti PIS. Again no balance. I don't understand why there are no any debates where you can have politicians, members of public and have balanced discussions?

No chance for it - previous one were too arrogant current are not interested.

I would hardly describe 'Le Figaro' as a fringe right wing media outlet :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Figaro

This is how a proper political spot should look like:

twitter.com/KONFEDERACJA_/status/1124720478084485120

Until Polonia - a lot of whom have never set foot in Poland, are stripped of voting rights, Poland will always be hostage to its past.

A very simple rule: no representation without taxation. Pay tax to Poland as a resident would, and you can vote. Don't pay tax, don't vote.

I pay taxes in both coutries: Poland and the UK. And thanks to what I'm making in the UK I can benefit Poland even more with the investments and with money transfers. Hence your remarks are not valid.

Why does it always come down to penalizing workers with taxes?
Reduce taxation,liberate workers and give them incentive to work harder.
Socialism always fails.

Well, what I mean is that they should contribute their fair share if they want to vote in Polish elections, as in they should pay tax as if they were living in Poland. Then we will soon see who actually wants to take responsibility ;)

Having said that, I notice that the US Polonia really are ill-informed when it comes to Polish political matters. They usually have nothing to say when you ask them why a "conservative" government is creating a class of people dependent on welfare.

All that's wrong with Polish politics. Poles love a handout. In their own country they will always embrace laziness.

So they have to pay taxes to the country they live in and to Poland?
Ridiculous!


Agreed,US Polonia are ill informed about everything.......

True because everybody does. Would you return or donate ten grand you got as a gift?

Agreed, US Polonia are ill informed about everything.......
Because US Polonia likes sitting na dwoch stolkach and read Dziannik Zwiazkowy. In English, it's known as neither here nor there.

Of course that`s a stereotype. A lot of Poles prefer to depend on themselves, not handouts. PiS is supported by 35-40%. Where is the rest of those lazies?

True.
But most of them have left Poland to make that possible.

We've just had 5 days of state inactivity. As if the country can afford this. Of course the establishment and the rich are pissing themselves laughing.