Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

Exactly how did brainwashing take place in the Austro-Hungarian empire in 1900?

Your starter for ten: how did one obtain a flat in post-war Warsaw in a building that had survived the war when so much of the housing stock had been flattened?

Additional points: how did one obtain a large and comfortable villa in Warsaw in the 1970's?

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I'd like ot buy a vowel......

Surely not!

Perhaps bolek_tusk can weigh in on this article if he finds your puzzle too difficult: niezalezna.pl/46088-ujawniamy-dokumenty-ziobro-byl-czlonkiem-pzpr

ZUS pension is the same as state pension in UK - Where is the difference? hardly to survive.

In Poland it is becoming the same like in UK - people need savings, assets, private pensions unless it is living in poverty. Where is the difference? Free buss pass, drugs in UK....you are contradicting yourself as if PIS try to introduce slowly things like this you just attack them. So it is ok in UK not in Poland?

I hate state pension contribution/rules in UK it is the most SOCIALIST and unfair thing I have ever seen in my life- Someone earning 100 K a year after 30 years proportional contribution gets the same as cleaner earning 18 K a year. £160 a week. Radiculous for me.

I just saw this posted on Twitter, which rather represents the truth about PiS. The politician in question is quite infamous for ranting about family values, but the truth is rather different...

twitter.com/gambitek/status/1124570541174685696

(rough translation)

A simple way to become an authority on families:

1. get married.
2. cheat on your husband.
3. live with your lover.
4 go back to your husband.
5. go back to your lover.
6. get pregnant with the lover's child.
7. go back to the husband who claims the child.
8. promote yourself as a moral expert.

Such hypocrisy is normal for PiS.

Sorry I think that is a very fair principle and you you will not find many 100k plus earners in the UK that would disagree with the system, NI contributions are very low in the UK, I pay 485zl (not incuding the pension element) a month to ZUS, how much is your NI contribution in the UK?

As it is dangerous statement/assumptions if saying someone has racism in his blood. Relating to my mum - to say the truth she had a choice - she chose what her conscience told her to do. Lots people would join PZPR not believing in it just to move on in their career. I suppose as British are very pragmatic lots would probably join party just to move on career ladder. Polish have different mentality.... As you say about socialism in blood....no I think that every nation is affected by history and Polish are just like they are . Maybe it is different for you to understand as your nation ( at least in last 200-300 years) were acting as invader we were always invaded.

Dolnaslask

As an employee:
you pay National Insurance contributions if you earn more than £166 a week.
you pay 12% of your earnings above this limit and up to £962 a week (for 2019-20)
the rate drops to 2% of your earnings over £962 a week.

How is it fair ?- plain math. You pay percentage of your income but final pension is the same for everyone ( it depends on working years only). Clearly someone on 100k contributed much more than someone on minimum wage.

Is he still a Communist? Did he sentence Polish patriots to death in the past? Does he call for closer links with Russia?

The father of the Prime Minister from PiS does repeatedly.

Still, nice to see that you defend Communists in high ranking positions.

As an employee:
you pay National Insurance contributions if you earn more than £166 a week.
you pay 12% of your earnings above this limit and up to £962 a week (for 2019-20)
the rate drops to 2% of your earnings over £962 a week.

Plain math says it is not fair. That is why people save for private pensions to have decent income when retired.

Maybe was friends with Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz...

She wasn't the mayor of Warsaw in the late 40's or 1970's.

Try again.

One example of something being described as normal sounds like clutching at straws.

It's interesting that you have nothing to say about the father of the Justice Minister and Attorney General being a Communist.

LOL.
When I was earning 15,000 a month I paid 1,400 zl a month ZUS. When I was in hospital for 6 weeks I paid 1,400 zl a month. Never had a single groszy from the Polish state in 32 years in grants or sickness payment, or anything at all in fact.

And you say that life in the UK is not fair? Ha - except that the situation here for those who actually graft is that you are on your own.

'FORMER' Communists, unlike members of the Bolshevik Coalition who continue to promote Communist philosophies.

So in your book, it's fine to support former Communists as long as they say that they aren't Communists?

You still haven't told us how our hero managed to acquire a large flat in post-war Warsaw, nor how he managed to acquire a large villa in 1970's Warsaw. Would he, in your view, have been a trusted Communist?

I think 'FATHER' is the relevant word here. I am not responsible for my father's sins.

Strange, you were quick to mention Tusk's grandfather being in the Wehrmacht before, so why are you suddenly fine with someone's father being a committed Communist?

Jesus Christ - don't make Poles out to bloody saints. Plenty took that Party card - most of the father in laws' engineering friends at the coal mines for a start. Just because your family and associates did the right thing, don't think there weren't those who came up with the old chesnut "You had to be in the Party to change things for the better"

And again - we weren't there. We don't know what we would have done.
My dearest friend at the university of Silesia was one of those people. But he was such a loveable man that I could never engage with him about it. It was a non topic, like someone's sexual orientation. For philosophical reasons he actually believed in the concept of communism at the beginning of his university career in the 60s - and otherwise of course he wouldn't have risen to Research fellow....

To be honest I wish you all the best when you return to UK but as old saying says 'The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence.'

Lots people are employed now on 'zero-hour contract' They don't get anything. Lots contract are that they pay you hardly any sick leave.

I don't understand why you were not paid anything when on sick leave? if someone is employed they are paid. If you have your own business? I don't think you are paid in UK unless you pay some insurance to cover it.

As in relation to my previous post about state pension- from plain math and numbers point of view it is not fair.

It is like group of mates goes to pub have 'kitty' - one puts £10, another £5 and another £20 - but they all drink the same.

I don't make polish as saints - my uncle was in party. For some people it was not so important issue. And yes some believed in it. At least in the beginning.

It was just example - I think being pragmatic is positive thing sometimes ....

No but the same family of crooks have ruled Warsaw since the war.

After the war my parents settled in the UK my father was demobbed from the British army after seven years he was also injured at casino which meant any physical work was painful.

They both worked hard to take care of us kids, my dad in a steel rolling mill and mum as a cleaner the the local hospital.

Life was tough for them on low mages with three kids to take care of, and no benefits as such in those days.

They were no different to the policemen, nurse,soldiers, cleaners of today that have to live on relative low pay.

Things were different for me I was lucky enough to succeed financially in a pretty worthless career compared to the above.

It meant that in later years I never had to worry about how much tax or ni that I paid , it enabled me to retire at fifty without even having to touch my private pension plans let alone having to worry about relying on a state pension in 12 years time.

I worry about the policemen nurses cleaners government workers that take care of me, they deserve a dignified worry free retirement regardless of what they earned I am no better than them.

I should pay more I would be happy with an extra tax levy on private pension draw down, In fact the moment I do I will pay 23% to the Polish tax system which I am happy to do, please don't ever worry about those who can most afford it.

It is different in Poland than in UK.

In UK Government workers, ( not sure about policemen but they retire early) have final salary pension which us usually very good.

Interesting, interesting. So, you agree that our hero must have been a crook to get his hands on a flat that wasn't destroyed after the war, and that he must have been a crook to get a large and comfortable villa in the 1970's?

True...... but the thing about pensioners (which you young 'uns have to consider one day) is that Brits think they are treated badly. my uncle is always complaining about his state pension :) :) He's 85, and not exactly a millionaire, but he's on a half-world cruise as I type.

Here the provisons for the old are scandalous, because the unwritten law is that your children look after you. That might have worked in the past - but there is little excuse now when I'm paying good money in ZUS every month.

The real problem is that ZUS is a PONZI scheme and successive Polish governments know it would be electoral suicide to do anything to change it. Posters here sneer about teaching (for obvious reasons) but WFT would a country be needing a national insurance office in very town and city for if it wasn't a subsidised scheme to offer "full" employment?

I am tired of pointing out that since the 1970s the Uk has had ONE.


Happy to correct you Iwonka. The police in the UK do NOT retire early - if they do they lose full pension rights.

Ok lets use pizza delivery drivers, why should they not have a decent dignified pension in their old age, yes they may never of paid in what the will take out , but that's not the point, those 100k plus earners you talk about have a duty to take care of the guys who delivered their suppers whilst they were twanging their braces in the city, also to the carers that will wipe their backsides in old age.

Of course he does, but only to you.

Well Tusk, like his grandfather fought for the Germans against Poland.