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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


OP pawian 161 | 9,971
5 May 2019 #481
But most of them have left Poland to make that possible.

No, of course not. There are a lot of small, medium and big enterpreneurs in Poland. Private sector accounts for 80% Polish economic output each year.

We've just had 5 days of state inactivity.

These are national holidays! Sacred days! Second Constitution in the world! :) Besides, count bank holidays in Great Britain. There are a few , mostly without any reason. Why there is one in August, I always wondered? :)
Spike31 2 | 884
5 May 2019 #482
Poles love a handout. In their own country they will always embrace laziness.

The money comes from my work and is transferred to my family and my business partner...

There's a great quote from Akira Kurosawa's "Yojimbo" which describes you perfectly, Dougpo1: "There is no cure for fools"
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
5 May 2019 #483
So they have to pay taxes to the country they live in and to Poland?

Only if they want to vote. If they don't want to vote, no need to pay tax ;)
Spike31 2 | 884
5 May 2019 #484
So they have to pay taxes to the country they live in and to Poland?

Obviously the right to vote comes with Polish citizenship and you only have to pay taxes in the country where you work. So don't get confused by the opitions of an usual forum trolls :-)

I'm currently paying taxes in both countries due to the fact that I'm investing in Poland. My plan right from the beginning wasn't to stay in the UK for good but to make money and to reinvest it in Poland.

PS: Law granting Polish citizenship are somewhat too relaxed these days of which a clear example is our own Scottish-Polish @delphiandomine. Candidates for Poles should be selected much more carefully in my opinion :-P
Ironside 48 | 9,902
5 May 2019 #485
If they don't want to vote, no need to pay tax ;)

You are predicable. You assume that Polonia vote for PiS eh? If that the case why would PIS gov make it more difficult for Polonia to vote?

No, of course not.

Yeah bring everything down to your gutter level with your partisan beating. PO is a long dead.

@Dough
just hold it in, there is a lot of sense in what you say but the way you go about communicate it and reasons you point out are just both dumbed down and offensive.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
5 May 2019 #486
I don't watch news as they are unwatchable. They are all PIS praising

Really? You are obviously completely out of touch. TVN and Polsat are vehemently anti-PiS as are 90% of print media who are in German hands so are intent on pushing their globalist agenda and constantly pump out pro-PO and anti-PiS propaganda.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
5 May 2019 #487
Pay tax to Poland as a resident would, and you can vote.

You do realise that if you buy a bottle of beer you pay VAT, so you are paying tax to Poland. Should that give you the right to vote in Poland?
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
5 May 2019 #488
Tusk because they haven`t got an equally natural born politician

Tusk reminds of Tony Blair. A once revered politician but now universally despised in the UK. Once seen as smooth and persuasive, he now just seen as a lying B'stard. Tusk's time at the EU has shown him to be a Merkel puppet who groomed him as a Polish yes-man. He was more interested in serving the interests of Germany than Poland. I hope that the Polish electorate will recognise this at the time of the next presidential election when Tusk will undoubtedly be in the running.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,252
6 May 2019 #489
I hope that the Polish electorate will recognise

Tusk is a shoe-in should he decide to run for president here. You can bet your house on that.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2019 #490
I hope that the Polish electorate will recognise this at the time of the next presidential election

The Polish electorate are far more likely to appreciate a statesman than someone who has a habit of writing on Twitter to teenage girls late at night while posting selfies of himself in his teenage scouting uniform.
cms neuf - | 1,022
6 May 2019 #491
He also reminds me of Blair - a centrist able to work with people from both sides, pragmatic not dogmatic, successful eith voters and respected by business, unions, foreign leaders alike.

For sure there are maybe 25 percent of Poles who would never vote for Tusk but i do think as Poland wants to be a regional power then a high profile head of state would help.
mafketis 21 | 7,465
6 May 2019 #492
For sure there are maybe 25 percent of Poles who would never vote for Tusk

More like 30-35 % (the PiS base) the question is as the PiS base (which skews older) grows smaller through mortality will 500+ have created a new welfare dependent demographic that will loyally vote for PiS - I can see the arguments going both ways....

The problem with Tusk as president is that it doesn't play to his strengths... (making pragmatic deals and keeping disorderly allies under control). the President ideally should stay out of a lot of daily business and remind all parties of the need to work together (as much as possible).
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
6 May 2019 #493
Still, nice to see that you defend Communists in high ranking positions.

Erm... former Communist... I'll just quote Luke 15:10:-

Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

bolek_tusk 3 | 243
6 May 2019 #494
likely to appreciate a statesman

Statesmen eh?

"A statesman or stateswoman is usually a politician, diplomat or other notable public figure who has had a long and respected career at the national or international level"

Who, apart from Merkel, his puppet master, has any respect for Tusk? Trump certainly doesn't, and neither does May. In fact how can anyone respect an International figure whose own country does not support him?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2019 #495
If Tusk wasn't somebody, why would Wiadomośći put so much effort into comparing him to Hitler and Stalin?

Let's be realistic: PiS are terrified of Tusk, not least because every time he comes to Poland, he demolishes them. His execution of Wassermann was a joy to watch, not least as she got more and more frustrated and upset. He made an absolute fool out of them every time so far, which is why they've suddenly gone rather quiet about bringing him here for questioning.

By the way, 27-1. Tusk's appointment was supported by 27 EU countries, with Poland the only country to go against. What does that say about the Polish government?
cms neuf - | 1,022
6 May 2019 #496
Well the 27 other EU leaders who voted for him respect him - including May. They then issued a statement saying that the Polish govts objection was without merit.

Who cares if Trump respects him he's an oaf with no empathy for anyone except himself and his kids.

There is plenty wrong with Tusk but he is head and shoulders above Adrian
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2019 #497
Well the 27 other EU leaders who voted for him respect him - including May.

Let's stress that this was 27 leaders of individual nation states that all voted for him. 27 sovereign, independent states.

Tusk's real influence is seen by the reaction of PiS supporters in this thread - they're *scared* of him. So they should be, given that he won every single election between 2006-2014 against PiS.
10iwonka10 - | 396
6 May 2019 #498
All that's wrong with Polish politics. Poles love a handout.

Do you write these things to stir up ?
jon357 63 | 14,255
6 May 2019 #499
Tusk is a shoe-in should he decide to run for president here. You can bet your house on that.

He's certainly the most credible of all the potential contenders and, significantly, the most trusted and respected.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,252
6 May 2019 #500
the most credible of all the potential contenders

But as a statesman of international standing, why would Tusk want to return to this backwater of European politics? He always looks the part on the political stage, as opposed to May, for example, who just shuffles around and has no presence.

And who is this "Adrian"? Is Dirk returning to Poland to stand for the presidency? :)
mafketis 21 | 7,465
6 May 2019 #501
May, for example, who just shuffles around and has no presence

I find her dancing to be the least objectionable part of her.... term? reign? what do PMs have anyway?
10iwonka10 - | 396
6 May 2019 #502
the most trusted and respected.

By PO supporters.
Ironside 48 | 9,902
6 May 2019 #503
Well the 27 other EU leaders who voted for him respect him. Polish govts objection was without merit.

Indeed. A fact in itself that disqualifies him from being a Polish politician.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2019 #504
Rather totalitarian of you. He doesn't have the support of the Party, so he cannot be in politics. And you have the cheek to rant about Soviets?
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
6 May 2019 #505
Who cares if Trump respects him

Trump is leader of the Western world and does exert an awful lot of influence on the world. Fortunately he is a great fan of Poland and has a good working relationship with Duda. His speech in Warsaw the other year was very moving and shows how well he understands and sympathises with Poland's plight and suffering during the war. Anyone who calls him an oaf has little understanding of how much a true genius he is.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2019 #506
Fortunately he is a great fan of Poland

Oh yes, such a great fan. He promised us visa-free access "within the first weeks of his presidency" and...what?

thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/273151,Trump-to-deal-with-visafree-travel-for-Poles-if-elected

Ah yes, he lied. There was two solid years of a Republican Congress and a Republican President, and we still need visas to visit the US. Lying rat.

Anyone who calls him an oaf has little understanding of how much a true genius he is.

Calling Trump a "true genius" is certainly a good sign of someone who shouldn't be taken seriously. A true oaf, yes.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
6 May 2019 #507
why would Tusk want to return to this backwater of European politics?

Because his position will be abandoned at the end of November. Where else could he go. His puppet master will be leaving soon as well so she won't find a cushy little number for him in the EU. He'll probably end up as some Kaszubski Soltys... :)
Spike31 2 | 884
6 May 2019 #508
Kaszubs are smart and foresighted people. I highly doubt kaszub villagers would elect him their soltys. They already have warm water from the tap :-)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
7 May 2019 #509
Because his position will be abandoned at the end of November.

Just in time for the 2020 Polish presidential election. Couldn't be better really, he'll have come off a very good 5 year term as President of the European Council, which means that he was appointed by the positive vote of 27 individual EU government leaders. Adrian is already quite scared, and so he should be.

It says a lot about the bitterness and jealousy of PiS that they voted against a Pole climbing to one of the top jobs in international politics.
mafketis 21 | 7,465
7 May 2019 #510
the bitterness and jealousy of PiS

It's moralność Kalego all over again... if it's good for PiS it's good, if it's not good for PiS then it's awful and anti-Polish and needs to be stopped.

edusens.pl/edusensownik/moralnosc-kalego

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