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Donald Tusk's Government of Poland Continues to Oppress Poles


PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
13 Mar 2011 #121
A government who has maintained one of the lowest deficits in the EU, by being brave enough to resist the temptation to spend when that was all the rage in the EU.

If it's so great, why raise taxes on baby clothes? With such low spending, why does one need to raise taxes?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Mar 2011 #122
It's not Poland's choice. It was negotiated by the SLD back in the 2001-2005 Sejm - and the current government had their hands tied as it was an EU obligation.

The funniest thing about all of this is that for all the whining done online by opponents of the Government, there's absolutely **** all they can do about it :)

I for one look forward to another 4 years of PO dominance in Poland.

Certainly, it's going to be funny as hell reading all the ranting online about evil Tusk and how bad naughty PO have DARED to dominate Polish politics through being damned good at what they do.

I only wish that they were half as mean as they're made out to be.

I must admit, my favourite political incident recently involved the Podkarpcie provincial Sejm. The SLD, PSL and PO joined forces and stopped PiS from taking power there. Fantastic move, and funny as hell to watch them get defeated in one of their heartlands!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
13 Mar 2011 #123
It's not Poland's choice. It was negotiated by the SLD back in the 2001-2005 Sejm - and the current government had their hands tied as it was an EU obligation.

Oh,so it's really the EU and not Tusk or the PO, right?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
13 Mar 2011 #124
The funniest thing about all of this is that for all the whining done online by opponents of the Government, there's absolutely **** all they can do about it :)

Amen to that. Let them whine(:

Oh,so it's really the EU and not Tusk or the PO, right?

Are you slow or something, he gave you the answer the first time around.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
13 Mar 2011 #125
Are you slow or something, he gave you the answer the first time around.

Things were kind of murky, so I was making sure ;)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
13 Mar 2011 #126
OK, i thought you were second guessing him(:
Crow 139 | 8,566
13 Mar 2011 #127
I always knew you were a Pole at heart, Crow ;)

yes. Most of Serbs are. But, think about scandal if some Polish president tries to say that loudly. Who you think would destroy him and then complete Poland? so called west, of course. Polish friends likes to see weak Poland, not strong. That`s why weak PM such is Tusk getting support of EU. As long as Polish PM works against Polish national interests he would be supported by EU
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Mar 2011 #128
Oh,so it's really the EU and not Tusk or the PO, right?

Right.

Doesn't stop people trying to blame Tusk for it - but the reality is that this was already agreed and negotiated in the past.

Poland doesn't have much room to negotiate in this respect - as a net receiver of EU funds (significantly so!) - they don't have much power to negotiate. They're already in the dog house for not making moves towards Euro membership.
THE HITMAN - | 236
13 Mar 2011 #129
according to Bankers magazine.

and according to all the other journals. They are writing on the facts being presented to them from the Polish government ( bull ). So if you want to believe everything you read, carry on. Time will tell, and I don,t think we will have to wait too long.

Just dug up a few links for you, as you like reading magazines.

thenews.pl/business/artykul147724_brussels-concerned-about-polands-d eficit.html
thenews.pl/business/artykul149079_finance-minister-to-get-a-raspberr y.html
thenews.pl/business/artykul149462_government-admits-food-is-too-expe nsive.html
thenews.pl/business/artykul149438_thousands-of-businesses-on-edge-of -bankruptcy.html
thenews.pl/business/artykul149438_thousands-of-businesses-on-edge-of -bankruptcy.html

the people of Poland are a lot more smarter

1% are smart, the rest are brainless and can,t think for themselves. No substance in what they say. A little like yourself.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Mar 2011 #130
Just dug up a few links for you

You dragged up links from Polskie Radio - which, until recently, was controlled by PiS and is now in the hands of the SLD, I believe.

It's certainly not an unbiased news source.

The fact that they've more or less neglected to mention how PO are riding high in the opinion polls tells you all need to know about the impartiality of this source.
THE HITMAN - | 236
13 Mar 2011 #131
It's certainly not an unbiased news source.

There,s other sources, and not controlled by any one particular party, but these were the most simple to understand. Why should I bother listing any others, let hague find them himself ( if he,s got the time ).

PO are riding high in the opinion polls

Not what the papers say, perhaps they,re in the hands of PIS also.
Stop clutching at straws, facts are facts regardless of who is publicizing them.
You post substance to back up your arguments, no doubt the source is PO backed, so the prattle goes on and on ...... and the debate gets childish.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Mar 2011 #132
Not what the papers say, perhaps they,re in the hands of PIS also.

PiS have apparently commissioned their own opinion polls that show them winning the election. I doubt anyone sane would believe them, though.

But the independent polls are all consistently showing PO matching their 41% result of 2007.

Stop clutching at straws, facts are facts regardless of who is publicizing them.

The problem in Poland is that the facts depend on who is publishing them. In fact - about the only thing we can rely upon is election results - and PO have won every election since what, 2006?

Either way, we can be thankful that PiS won't win the next election. Even if they did - the "cordon sanitaire" will form around them and the Government will be made up of PO/PSL/SLD. Thankfully.

You post substance to back up your arguments, no doubt the source is PO backed

As I said- we can only really rely on election results. If people keep voting PO, they're happy with Tusk's reign and that's that.
THE HITMAN - | 236
13 Mar 2011 #133
If people keep voting PO, they're happy with Tusk's reign

God help Poland.............. Lets get it right, the crooks are happy, not the people. All the best assets have been sold, so what has Poland got left ?

"Not alot"...... as Ken Dodd once said.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
14 Mar 2011 #134
My sentiment exactly, how pathetic!

God help Poland.............. Lets get it right, the crooks are happy, not the people. All the best assets have been sold, so what has Poland got left ?

"Not alot"...... as Ken Dodd once said.

That is what happens in market economies you ...... so and so.

So when are you planning to join protesters, so people can have a good laugh.

Too bad I am going to be in Poland in June, if I was there a little later I would go to the local PO office and ask them if they need any volunteers to distribute newsletters in my area. And just tomake sure i would door Knock my area as well.
THE HITMAN - | 236
14 Mar 2011 #135
That is what happens in market economies

Exactly. That,s what propped up the Polish economy. Now what,s left to sell in order to fill the holes (deficit) ?
Like I said, " time will tell ".

So when are you planning to join protesters, so people can have a good laugh.

I already have. lol.

My sentiment exactly, how pathetic!

Holding hands with delph, .... that,s pathetic !

Politics is a viscious circle, the reccessions and the booms. It,s easy to create the "good times", by borrowing, just as in ones personal life. But then you have to pay back what you owe and subsequently come the "hard times".

This is no more than is happening currently in Poland. Do you think PO will be around when times get hard ?
No. Someone else will be left to carry the can, while the opposition sit in the background blaming the "then current situation", on the ruling party.

This is the political norm, that happens in The States, UK, and the world over.

I,m somewhat surprised by your ignorance, as Australian governance quite impresses me, but your views on Poland don,t seem to equate to your adopted homeland. Are you happy in Oz ?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
15 Mar 2011 #136
Now what,s left to sell in order to fill the holes

There are still public assets available, and times were tough that's why the used the money form the sales to pay down the debt, a very sensible thing to do I would have thought.

However the reasons for the sale of public assets are based on other considerations apart from money. Efficiency is another reason, privately controlled companies tend to be more efficient and quicker to adopt new technologies than publicly controlled companies. All comes down incentives to reform.

You have got the wrong end of the cycle thicko, unbelievable you are to thick to follow your own line of thinking through the same thread! Firstly you were complaining about PO selling public companies

and utilities to private hands to pay down the debt, and then you have the effrontery to complain about a high deficit? How can I argue with someone who can't even follow his own logic?

We already had the hard times dumbo and Poland came out better than most. You mentioned good times and borrowing, when we had the hard times PIS urged PO to spend big, and PO rightfully refused and it turned out to have been the correct decision. So times were already hard and PO was around, now times are getting better and PO is the only party to make the most of the situation. So yes they will be around in bad times and good, because the majority of Poles can follow their own logic for longer than 2 minutes unlike you.
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Mar 2011 #137
Tusks' pre-election promise of building more homes for the population was also a bluff. The price of rent and property, is the most anti-family, of all the sh1t going on in Poland. How can you have a family, when you are living in a one bedroom cage apartment, and up to your t1ts in debt paying for it. Tusk and his free-market are only into the bottom line, profit for the elite; family means nothing.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
15 Mar 2011 #138
That is what happens in market economies you ...... so and so.

what are you doing in Australia ?

I,m somewhat surprised by your ignorance, as Australian governance quite impresses me, but your views on Poland don,t seem to equate to your adopted homeland. Are you happy in Oz ?

Eh? Maybe he just says so, could be Rostkowski himself!
:)
talking about his CV and all!
narcissistic moron :)
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 Mar 2011 #139
thicko

dumbo

Mentality of a child or someone in need of serious psycriatric care.

logic

now times are getting better

Headline from Onet.pl "Najtansze jedzenie jest w Polsce" ( The cheapest food is in Poland ).
://biznes.onet.pl/braniewo-liczy-na-ruble,18572,4205928,1,news-detal

Possibly PO backed article, nevertheless what,s interesting is the comments from the public. Over 700 and rising, take some time to read some, such as "TOTALNA BZDURA".

This is called success propaganda. And if people like you fall for it, then more the fool you.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Mar 2011 #140
Mentality of a child

That is indeed who I am debating

There is just no getting thorough to someone who is not interested in the merits of the argument, and instead is out to rubbish and tarnish, all I can say is that I am glad to be in the majority of the sane as opposed to the minority of the bitter and twisted. Let me guess you also probably think that the late president was killed by the Russians?
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 Mar 2011 #141
not interested in the merits of the argument

I,m constantly giving you substance to back up my end of the debate (argument ? I,m not arguing), when you give me nothing but abuse, and clearly your own pro PO opinions.

It seems that one of Mr Tusk's biggest problems today is that the expectation bar had been set quite high for the PO-PSL coalition. This is somewhat similar to the way it was for the Obama administration, keeping all proportions in mind. Mr Tusk and his party had always talked bold reform. They claimed they had experts who could in very little time transform Poland into a cheaply-run super-efficient state.

But reality proved all this to be largely baseless campaign rhetoric. PO didn't really have any brilliant ideas nor did they have many top-notch experts in their party. What is interesting, and probably the reason why so many people seem disappointed in Mr Tusk's government, is that many Poles actually believed his party's promises and pinned their hopes for a much more modern and efficient Poland on PO.

They bought all that campaign rhetoric hook, line and sinker and now feel a bit silly for having done so. Donald Tusk's biggest problem today is that he has lost credibility in the eyes of many people who voted for him in 2007. In his seemingly sincere and convincing manner, he promised so much yet delivered only a little. So many people simply don't trust the PM's words anymore.

This will be his biggest obstacle going into the autumn parliamentary elections. How does he regain the trust of voters? How is he going to convince people that this time, he will do much more than just make promises? It won't be easy. Next week, on the pages of the same daily, the PM is supposed to write an article on his vision and plans for Poland's future if he is reelected to office. Let's see if people will buy it this time around.

all I can say is that I am glad to be in the majority of the sane as opposed to the minority of the bitter and twisted.

So you obviously regard youself as an elitist, where your opinion counts and nobody elses matters.

Let me guess you also probably think that the late president was killed by the Russians?

And still you continue with this sort of nonsense. Get a life !!!!!
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
16 Mar 2011 #142
That is what happens in market economies you ...... so and so.

Yes, Market Economies are terrible Poland should become Communist again so we can stagnate the Polish Economy again & Make the people practical slaves to the Government.

Libertarianism is the anwser. Government is not the solution it is the problem. Only a basic government should be there. Large government corrupts.
Crow 139 | 8,566
20 Apr 2011 #143
Marsz Niepodległości 11.11.2010 Warszawa



Long live Poland!

Polska jeszcze nie upadł!
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
20 Apr 2011 #144
A glimpse into the past:

The centrepiece of 1981 Solidarity's program was a radical vision for the huge state-run companies, which employed millions of Solidarity mem­bers, to break away from governmental control and become democratic workers' cooperatives. "The socialized enterprise," the program stated, "should be the basic organizational unit in the economy. It should be con­trolled by the workers council representing the collective and should be operatively run by the director, appointed through competition and recalled by the council."

In 1989, Henryk Wujec, one of Poland's lead­ing advocates of cooperatives, when the shock therapy of the Milton Friedman type was imposed on Poland, said: [...] cropped

books.google.pl/books?id=PwHUAq5LPOQC&printsec=frontcover&hl=pl#v=onepage&q&f=false
southern 75 | 7,096
20 Apr 2011 #145
It is about balance.How much state how much private sector.There is no rule that fits anyone.For example scandinavian countries do remarkably good despite a huge state sector and high taxes and other countries in full privatization are in full sh1t.
pawian 170 | 11,264
20 Apr 2011 #146
if you are with PO - you are intelligent, modern, educated, true European;

Yes, I agree with it fully. That is why I am for PO. As a result, I am not ashamed of myself and when I see myself in the mirror every morning, I feel just great. :):):)
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
20 Apr 2011 #147
O, wonder! How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't!
rybnik 18 | 1,462
20 Apr 2011 #148
Well, you see - if we could have capitalism, but I mean real capitalism, with economic freedom,
low taxes and no annoying bureaucracy, raising obstacles in front of people all the time, then

A la Hong Kong!
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Apr 2011 #149
The centrepiece of 1981 Solidarity's program was a radical vision for the huge state-run companies,"

And this is what people often forget - Solidarity didn't necessarily want democracy, but they did want to control the means of production. Unfortunately, while it's a nice idea - SFR Yugoslavia proved that worker-ownership didn't work in the long run.

Hilariously socialist too, that vision.

Of course, Poland pretty much didn't have a choice. It was economically ruined, with the subsidies being cut off from the Soviet Union and the economy in desperate need of action. What could the workers have done, especially as we now know that the workers drove many Solidarity-controlled State owned businesses into ruin?
Krynski - | 82
21 Apr 2011 #150
The Poznan-based British psychopathic Polonophobe, dupadomine, is still scribbling here, spreading his hate-propaganda against the Poles? Shouldn't such scum be kicked out from Poland, the same way they are kicking out us from Britain, having vilified us in the media? Such scum should never be allowed to feel comfy in Poland. Now even top British politicians - Cameron and Miliband - seem to participate in the daily mail-style hate propaganda against the Poles, using us for their own sinister political ends. First the British exploited the Poles beyond measure, and now are trying to talk into everyone, including themselves, that it is us, Poles, who have ripped off the British. Hehe, and just recently the Polish premier Tusk has thanked Cameron for letting the Poles work in Britain. One more piece of evidence for Tusk and his motley's separateness from the real situation and concerns of the Polish people.

I've been reading the posts in this thread and taken aback (a rare occurence with me) by the monstuous lies and hate-filled Polonophobic language of the psychopath calling himself dupadomine, or whatever. What a compulsive liar and slanderer, holly shoot! Take for example his hint that commie Poland was subsidized by Soviet Russia. Hehehehe! And such a Polonophobic crap is allowed to live and puke out his hate in Poland, in the beautiful city of Poznan?

:).


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