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Has the mainstream media in Poland made too much of what 17 year old school girl said to premier Tusk


WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #1
A few days ago, 17 year old student Marysia Sokołowska asked premier Tusk why he pretends to be a patriot when he's a traitor.

Tusk also tried to give her flowers but she said she didn't accept them from traitors

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Since this happened, the mainstream has been commenting the girl's behaviour negatively. Even Tomasz Lis mentioned it on his program [Tomasz Lis Na Zywo], saying that she has been raised badly.

Funnily enough, an old clip was found of him swearing at his co worker to show just how well he must have been raised.

"Coarse", "lack of education" and "bad manners" protested about 17-year-old Mary Sokołowska editor Tomasz Lis. All because a teenager called Prime Minister Tusk a "traitor" and has not accepted from him flowers.

"Well, we have a new star. Miss Marysia, a high school student from Gorzow, was the most famous high school student in Poland. It was enough ignorant and lack of education" - wrote on his website Tomasz Lis.


niezalezna.pl/55834-lis-oskarza-marysie-sokolowska-o-zle-maniery-przypominamy-wiec-maniery-lisa

The question is, have they made a meal of it? The girl said one sentence to Mr Tusk. It was negative, and he left right after it. She didn't abuse him in any way. Where is it said that when someone meets him or another member of parliament or VIP, they have to suck up to them? The media coverage of this has not brought more light on her. Would it not have been better to leave it alone? Is it such an important incident?
Harry
30 May 2014 #2
She didn't abuse him in any way.

Other than lying about him, slandering him and insulting him, of course.

Is it such an important incident?

Somebody committed a criminal act and the victim was the Prime Minister of Poland; is that really not at all important to you?
milky 13 | 1,657
30 May 2014 #3
pretends to be a patriot

What are the characteristics of of true patriot in Poland?
Did the girl state what these may be?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #4
Somebody committed a criminal act and the victim was the Prime Minister of Poland

You really want to go down that road? In that case how about we also round up the many thousands of people who have said vulgar and untrue things about Jaroslaw Kaczynski and other representatives of PiS? I'm sure I know a PO politician or two who have falsely diagnosed Kaczynski as mentally ill.
Harry
30 May 2014 #5
You really want to go down that road?

Perhaps you'd like to remind us which political party had Interpol involved in the hunt for a man who had farted loudly when asked what he thought of the president? The charge then was "contempt for the office of the head of state", wasn't it?

In that case how about we also round up the many thousands of people who have said vulgar and untrue things about Jaroslaw Kaczynski and other representatives of PiS?

About or to?

I'm sure I know a PO politician or two who have falsely diagnosed Kaczynski as mentally ill.

Good luck standing that one up in court.
milky 13 | 1,657
30 May 2014 #6
Other than lying about him, slandering him and insulting him, of course.

Harry is right here.
Szalawa 3 | 248
30 May 2014 #7
Other than lying about him, slandering him and insulting him, of course.

Your are right Harry, he's not a patriot. The rest is subjected to personal opinion.
Harry
30 May 2014 #8
Your are right Harry, he's not a patriot.

He's spend most of his adult life working for the good of Poland. He does far more for Poland every year than both you and that rude little schoolgirl combined will ever do for Poland.
Lenka 3 | 1,514
30 May 2014 #9
Hmm, she had the right to express her views however I would expect more from a highschool student. My shool would definitely react to that not because of her views but the level of the discourse (hard to call it that really).

I remember when we had a meeting with Cimoszewicz (minister of foreign affairs at that moment). Many disagreed with him but it was argument for argument, questions about certain situations and so on. I would be ashamed to be this girl's political science teacher.

So to answer the OP: yes, there's too much talk about it since she didn't say anything of substance

P.S. She is already on gossip sites and apparently she's a fashion blogger...Why I'm not suprised...?
jon357 63 | 14,255
30 May 2014 #10
She sounds a real brat. At least the premier didn't swear at her and abuse her like his predecessor's twin brother did when criticised by a member of the public.
jon357 63 | 14,255
30 May 2014 #12
Try the internet.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #13
If you're going to make accusations, you ought to provide proof. I don't see why I should be doing research to see if you're lying or not. Honestly, the nerve of some people.

- This guys said such and such

- Can I see some proof?

- You go find it.
jon357 63 | 14,255
30 May 2014 #14
No accusation; a simple statement of fact.

And one that everyone in Poland knows about and also one that's been mentioned plenty of times on here. If you're too lazy to keep up with current affairs and our politics in Poland, why are you posting in such a thread?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #15
Still no proof, now just personal insults. If it's so well known and easy to get to, then please show me this clip of swearing and abuse.
jon357 63 | 14,255
30 May 2014 #16
You insult yourself by posting such things.

Use the internet. YouTube has plenty of examples of the clip. To make it easy for you, since you're either pretending you've never heard about the incident or you genuinely don't follow Polish current affairs, try googling 'spieprzaj dziadu'.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #17
Haven't found anything. You seem reluctant to post the link. Any reason for that? Have you made a promise to yourself not to post links?
jon357 63 | 14,255
30 May 2014 #18
You haven't found anything. Plenty of references to in on google and a film clip of it is posted here on this forum.

But since you evidently have problems finding a two word phrase on a search engine, why not click here:
google.co.uk/#q=spieprzaj+dziadu

So there you go. On the very first page of google, there are three video clips, several websites and a Wikipedia entry in English, just to make it easy.

But hey, you couldn't find it.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
30 May 2014 #19
There ya go. That wasn't so hard was it?

Now for a couple of facts.

The translation of what he said is basically pi$$ off sir, then pi$$ off old man. Far from ideal, this is true, but....

It should also be pointed out that this was in 2002, before he was the president. I don't remember him saying anything like that as the head of the country [unless you have another clip for me] Tusk did not say anything bad to the girl on camera, as the premier of Poland. Do you think he had never said anything rude to anybody before this?

Now the stuff that the so well educated high and mighty Mr Lis has said to his fellow worker or workers [as can be seen if you click on the bottom link of my original post and scroll down a bit] is far worse. Lis basically says the Polish for the F word to somebody [or some people] over and over. Yet he has the nerve, in his TV program, to say this girl has obviously been brought up badly.
Plonker
30 May 2014 #20
He's spend most of his adult life working for the good of Poland.

Haha !
Great joke, keep them coming mate.
sylvio
31 May 2014 #21
I am sure Tusk is pretty cut up about the whole incident. The decent man that he is. He just does what he is told to,. like we all do..
jon357 63 | 14,255
31 May 2014 #22
There ya go. That wasn't so hard was it?

Quite fun toying with you. Most people don't pretend the fist page of a google search is invisible, but there we go.

basically pi$$ off sir, then pi$$ off old man.

Rubbish! I hope you don't expect non- Polish speakers to believe that lie. 'Spieprzaj' means 'f*ck off' and 'dziad' is offensive. Kaczynski basically said "F*ck off you old git". Or perhaps you just aren't that familiar with everyday Polish.

It should also be pointed out that this was in 2002, before he was the president.

He was the President of Warsaw then. A resident was wanting to speak to him and a news camera was present.

Tusk did not say anything bad to the girl on camera, as the premier of Poland.

Probably because he has more dignity and statesmanship in his little finger than Lech "Spiepraj Dziadu" Kaczynski had in his whole body.
quote=WielkiPolak]Do you think he had never said anything rude to anybody before this?[/quote]
Do you have a link to this accusation? Perhaps a video clip? LOL

Yet he has the nerve, in his TV program, to say this girl has obviously been brought up badly

Not much nerve needed since a. it's his job to commentate on current affairs and b. the little brat wants putting over someone's knee and spanking.
Crow 137 | 7,756
31 May 2014 #23
being familiar with Polish political scene i`m not surprised with this. Tusk was already criticized by Polish students over vital Poland`s interests.

Anyway, Tusk is politician and by default, you never know when politician speaks truth. It means that in fact, Tusk could be patriot. There are indications in that directions, too.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
31 May 2014 #24
being familiar with Polish political scene

This is the biggest joke of the day.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
31 May 2014 #25
Rubbish! I hope you don't expect non- Polish speakers to believe that lie.

Please don't school me about Polish. I speak it fluently at home. Spierdalaj or spierdzielaj means f*ck off. What he said is a much lighter version of it, i.e. pi$$ off. Spadaj would be get lost and so on. If you have any more questions about Polish, just ask.

b. the little brat wants putting over someone's knee and spanking.

You dirty perv
Harry
31 May 2014 #26
So you agree that he was very offensive to one of the people he was supposed to serve. Good, I'm glad we got that agreed. However, I am somewhat baffled as to why you'd want to use such language while speaking to your mother.

I wonder what Kaczynski would have said if somebody had refused to accept flowers from him and called him a traitor. Most probably he'd have had them arrested.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
31 May 2014 #27
When this happened I asked my wife and other educated Poles about this term of abuse. The unanimous consensus opinion agreed with what Jon has said. WielkiPolak, you are wrong. Suck it up.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
31 May 2014 #28
I wonder if the people you spoke to didn't like Kaczynski? If that is the case, then they would be saying that, wouldn't they?

Also, do these people you asked speak English fluently? If they don't, then how can they know what the word translates to exactly? It could be they don't know the term pi$$ off. I'm not wrong. It is a lighter form. Like kurde does not mean the same as kurwa. They are different. Kurwa is f*ck. Kurde is like saying 'damn' or ******' I'm not saying it's a nice term what was said, but it's like telling someone to sod off, and that is not as bad as f*ck off.
Harry
31 May 2014 #29
I seem to remember that the phrase is so rude that Kaczynski had somebody prosecuted for saying it to him in 2007 (or perhaps 2008).
Roger5 1 | 1,458
31 May 2014 #30
WP"I wonder if the people you spoke to didn't like Kaczynski? If that is the case, then they would be saying that, wouldn't they?"

That may be how you work, but the friends I mention are educated and have no axe to grind. As a matter of fact they didn't particularly like him, but they wouldn't have let that colour their opinion. Intelligent people know how to separate personal dislike from objective analysis.

"Also, do these people you asked speak English fluently?"
Oh, yes.


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