It sounds to me like I'm about the only one on here with any real experience of abortion, and I can tell you, it is unnatural
I didn't accuse you of doing so. Relax
I am not saying everything is pleasant, I know life can tear pieces from you that don't grow back but don't confuse that or repulsive medical procedures with being anything but a part the nature we have created around us. Nature is everything. Full stop.
It is impossible to come up with a correlative experience for a man,
Don't think you can come at from that angle because I'm a man. This has nothing to do with my willingness or ability to undergo such an experience. This has only to do with whether I think it should be someone's right to choose to undergo such an experience if they decide it's in their best interest. This does not even have to do with whether I, as a man, think they are wrong or right in that decision. It is simply about what I feel is their right to choose. As p3 illustrated, there are good reasons in some instances to deny one person that right but in what he wrote there was something of these things called reason and logic.
Foreigner 4, this is not about orphanages. It is about responsibility, and the sanctity of life, and respect for women
Whoa, what was that about platitudes?
Not about orphanages, eh? So I take it you answered no you're not willing to take on the responsibility of helping to raise a child you'd force a woman to have?
Now suddenly you're the cross bearer for women's respect? Why not respect other women disagreeing with you on the issue?
For so many centuries, having a child out of wedlock was a social death sentence
How is that relevant to today? I'm not being a jerk here, I honestly don't see the connection you think you see.
So women in desperation turned to abortion.
I don't see what this has to do with what I've written.
a lot of guys who have got such women pregnant and who relied on the existence of abortion to save their skins ...
So what I'm saying is that because we as men don't have to, by nature, take on any extra anything once our boys are swimming, we have to accept a woman's decision to make such a choice unless it's our child and we want the little gaffer safe and sound in our arms. It it's not my child and it's not my body then I've no business interfering in someone's choice no matter how much of a mistake I think it is.
Poland should be looking to upping its support network for such girls, and getting rid of prejudice in society - not offering her an abortion
I completely agree with you but UNTIL people are actually willing/demanding that AND MORE then it's her right to make that choice. No matter how awful I find it, if I'm not willing to care for that child then I have to stay out of her decision. How often do you go out of your way to help care for children whose mother's couldn't or wouldn't care for them?
It has all become too easy, Foreigner 4
Are you writing empty platitudes now as a joke?
And the idea that a woman has some kind of right to abort, because it is her body, is, to my mind, flawed.
Then we are going to be eternally at odds. How can you speak for so many other women who refute exactly what they are saying about their very own bodies? How can you pretend to think you know what's best for all other women when so many millions of them say you're wrong? How do you know their rights better than they do? Who do you think you are?
In particular, if he doesn't want an abortion, I personally think it would be too cruel to allow the woman to proceed with one.
I agree with you but you're arguing exceptional circumstances and not what has proven to be the norm. The norm is that men usually don't care enough about their own children but pretend to be all offended by what other women do with their bodies. The norm is that good families pretend to be unified against this horrible practice but keep their distance from the riffraff of society? The norm is that the state isn't there to lend a helping hand on behalf of the taxpayers. The taxpayers aren't demanding more money goes from their wallets to the government so that should clue you in to the fact that people don't care as much as they say they do.
And I bet that in reality, when the baby was born, she would accept and love the baby.
I'm not willing to tell another person what to do in such an important event in so many people's lives base on a bet I'm willing to make.