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Hołownia - a rising star in Polish politics?


pawian 181 | 17,079
2 Jan 2021 #1
... or a shooting star?

Recent polls suggest that Szymon Hołownia, one of the candidates in latest presidential elections, not connected with any already existing party, gains top positions in trust rankings - with over 50% Poles trusting him. In comparison, President Duda scores around 50%, too.

Hołownia is a journalist who became a TV celebrity. Polls suggest his Polska 2050 which now is a movement but soon is going to turn into a political party might attract about 20% support.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szymon_Ho%C5%82ownia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_2050

His advantages are:
- good contact with people
- moderate views
- lack of aggression
- Christian background
- intelligence

What do you think about the chances of his party to play a major role one day? It is a long time to the next elections and people tend to forget easily about rising stars.



OP pawian 181 | 17,079
5 Jan 2021 #2
See him in action in journalist role as a co-host of a popular TV show: he is the shorter one but it doesn`t mean he is short - no, the other host is over two metres tall.

youtu.be/9JSqO3OlQDg
Ironside 51 | 11,510
5 Jan 2021 #3
or a shooting star?

He is another of the long list of spathic clowns . ..
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
5 Jan 2021 #4
Who knows? But you should somehow justify your opinion to sound more credible. If not, posters might consider it bs.

I have read opinions that Hołownia and his party is nothing more than another centre party, PO, now in opposition.

Of course they are private opinions which might be true but they also can be false. We don`t know it until Hołownia`s men become a part of the government and we see the result of their rule.

However, even if Hołownia rules similarly to old PO, then by comparing it to today`s PIS` rule which is a failure on most fronts, we will be able to say he is an excellent politician. Simple.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
6 Jan 2021 #5
But you should somehow justify your opinion

Just listen to him. He says stuff that is contradictory trying to please everyone....
lately his applies to the people to defend against PIS almost call for a revolution cause a fatherland in danger - form a spa with his ass in jacuzzi and a glass of a sparkling wine in his hand.

He is a clown like all of them ....
Warsaw's mayor some time back - go and fight totalitarian PIS they are about to introduce dictator, the country in danger and then he up into a plane for some holiday on some sunny beach. lol!

What a clown!!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
6 Jan 2021 #6
What do you think about the chances of his party to play a major role one day?

It's a long, long time until the next election. Hołownia needs to desperately build up strong local structures, as all of these one-man parties have suffered badly through excessive centralisation and weak local presence.

The problem is that he needs to find a way through in Eastern Poland. It's not enough to be supported in Western Poland - he needs to go straight to the heart of the PiS electorate in Tarnów/etc and start presenting himself as a viable alternative. As it stands, he's trying to build a movement from Warsaw, which will never work in the long run.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
6 Jan 2021 #7
a spa with his ass in jacuzzi/ holiday on some sunny beach.

Funny but I never read or heard about those occurences you are mentioning now. Are you sure you are talking about Poland?

Edit: maybe deputy mayor???
Ironside 51 | 11,510
6 Jan 2021 #8
ut I never read or heard about those

another prove you live in a bubble. That why you claim that majority of people support PO or some other toxic opposition - you mean majority of people you known.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
7 Jan 2021 #9
another prove you live in a bubble.

No, that was a polite way of suggesting you spread fake news. I am a well- mannered cultural person and I am unable to say that you were lying - it just wouldn`t go off my fingers. That is why I said I hadn`t heard about it.

So, more directly now - you messed up with those mayors because the main mayor Trzaskowski didn`t go on a holiday to the beach.

That why you claim that majority of people support PO

Of course I never claimed it. You spread fake news again. Please, stop acting in this infantile way - you are no longer in a kidergarten.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
7 Jan 2021 #10
you messed up with those mayors because the main mayor Trzaskowski didn`t go on a holiday to the beach.

I was talking about him few years back before he become a mayor. Fight them on the street in your homes and on the beaches - his speech - PiS is about to destroy democracy and the country ah just carry on I need a holiday, I will lead you from a sunny beach. Rings a bell now?
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
7 Jan 2021 #11
Nope, Could you provide a source coz I am afraid you must be talking about sb else?
Ironside 51 | 11,510
8 Jan 2021 #12
Could you provide a source

If come to Holownia his twitter where he tweets all those go fight words and then he send thanks for letting his use a spa for free by some sympathizer or other...

To that Mr Sciek
it is all-out in the open no secret, just ignored by people like you...
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #13
all those go fight words and then he send thanks for letting his use a spa

So, you suggest politicians fighting for a good cause, that is the removal of gansters from power and general progress and happiness, mustn`t use spas and other forms of relaxation??

Hmm, I am a bit doubtful it is a right approach of yours. Everybody has a right to chill out.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
8 Jan 2021 #14
mustn`t use spas and other forms of relaxation??

No but if you call people to the street because fatherland is danger and the end is here and at the same time you chill your ass in spa - it means you don't believe in those words and you simply incite people for some short term pollical gain, it makes you a populist and an a-ole and a clown.

Hell, if you can't even ACT as IF you believe in your words it means you are too lazy to be anything and hypocrisy is not a tool by your second nature.

You are not a statement or somebody that can be trusted.
I know you are morally and mentally just a floor rag so you really don't get it but ....
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #15
call people to the street at the same time you chill your ass in spa

The problem is that you have a long history of lies and manipulations in the forum. We still don`t believe that the events you are talking about actually took place. Probably you are mistaking him with sb else.

You`d better provide a link instead of making tall stories. Simple.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
8 Jan 2021 #16
The problem is that you have a long history of lies and manipulations in the forum

That is your slander and nothing more. I advice you to not lie like that without court ruling. In Poland you can be sued for this kind of slander.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #17
In Poland you can be sued for this kind of slander.

hahaha Threats instead of a source?? Nice.

Prove what you were saying about Hołownia and I will take back my words. I can even apologise for unjustified suspicions.
We are waiting.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #18
I know you are morally and mentally just a floor rag

There is no need to abuse people who don`t agree with you. Try to run a cultural discussion, you forget this isn`t your own home but a public place.

We are still waiting for your proofs.
Ironside 51 | 11,510
8 Jan 2021 #19
There is no need to abuse people

Hey I only said that it is OK if you don't understand my standing. I understand your position.

We are still waiting for your proofs.

you and your flies? keep waiting and kept them well fed.
Paulina 12 | 2,231
8 Jan 2021 #20
His advantages are:
...

And a cool wife - a MiG-29 jet fighter pilot and a first lieutenant in the Polish Air Force!

you and your flies?

And me :)
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #21
you and your flies?

Do you suggest now I am the Lord of the Flies??? hahaha You are funny.

fleas, most probably.

keep waiting

That means your words about Hołownia calling for mass protests while taking a bath in a jacuuzzi with a glass of champagne in his hand were not necessarily pertaining to the truth. I see. Thank you.

But if you change your mind and decide to notify us about such an occurence, please feel free to do it coz we will gladly aquaint ourselves with it.
Lenka 3 | 2,811
8 Jan 2021 #22
?
And me :)

And me :)
Ironside 51 | 11,510
8 Jan 2021 #23
That means y

It means the same what I have told you many times. I don't lie ad if you don't believe me when it comes to facts - go and check them yourself.

On the flip side i don't care if you believe me or not!
Oh since all you do is telling lies here you judging others by the same bushel - just don't over do it.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
8 Jan 2021 #24
go and check them yourself.

I tried. Unsuccessfully. Afterwards I requested that source from you and was ready to take my words back in case you provided it. But you didn`t. I thought I was talking to a serious interlocutor, but it seems I was mistaken.

You still have a chance to help me change my opinion about you - by providing that source.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
24 Apr 2021 #25
Hołownia has a legal problem. So far, he has been acting under the name Poland 2050 which is an association. He is trying to register it as a party but certain smart alec already did it a few months ago. Their dispute will have to be settled by the court. Currently Hołownia is thinking of registering the party as Szymon Hołownia`s Poland 2050.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
3 Jun 2021 #26
Dirk, in another place you mentioned making fun of the oppositions record low approval ratings.. It is obvious you forgot about Hołownia party which is the same opposition to PiS as PO.

Do you know their latest result? 27%. The second after PiS. What say you?
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
17 Jul 2021 #27
In another thread I mentioned that Tusk`s party was polled as the second most popular party today. Hołownia`s party is third. It seems Tusk has outshined Hołownia for a while.





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