Dodgy PRL-holdover judiciary finally reformed

OK I was wrong a bit - actually one instance of support lists have been revealed by Gazeta Wyborcza but there was nothing wrong with the support list if you ask me - the tv programme i watch made me think they published all of the lists - maybe I misunderstood some things

A newspaper had to dig them out and you see nothing wrong with that for example? We are not talking about a state secret. It should be freely available to anyone who want to see them.

As to the judges I think the topic was discussed mamy times. PO played dirty and then PiS instead of just correcting it played even dirtier.

As with the Supreme Court it seem most Poles support the SC with over 50%

tokfm.pl/Tokfm/7,103085,25640080,sondaz-rzad-przegrywa-spor-z-sadem-najwyzszym.html

PiS officials claimed that the support lists couldn't be published because of the RODO regulations - I have only a very vague idea of what this RODO is all about so I have no idea if this was/is legitimate or not

anyway, in my understanding PiS is reluctunt to publish the lists because they want to protect those judges who are loyal to them/side with them from witch hunt (dintojra) from there peers - though there is also a possibility that the support lists globally show quite a narrow support among the judges and it somehow may have been seen as shameful by PiS

Is that why they stopped the judge who wanted to look at them from doing so and suspended him ?
There of course is the possibility that those lists are ok but how PiS is going around it suggests otherwise. Not to mention that it sets a dangerous precedence. Think if the worst party you can imagine gets the power and uses the same tactic? Would you be happy with that?

yes, they do behave suspiciously as if there was something wrong with the lists - and i do not claim to know why for sure (my guess as I pointed in my previous post is that the number of individual judges on all lists combined is shamefully small - I also mentioned that one possible motivation is protecting those loyal judges from ostarcism in their job environments)

- Gazeta Wyborcza has found no wrongdoing in the case they revealed besides obvious pointing out that the judges on the list benefitted from PiS rule so I doubt there is a skeleton in the cupboard there (at least not of scandalous magnitude)

we also don't know how Wyborcza got their hands on the list they published - it could have been a controlled leak

ok - I was pulling your legs somewhat, people - PiS (Duda precisely) actually broke the constitution once at the very start of PiS majority - yeah, you anticipate well - but I can't help myself but make fun of you for not knowing your own constitution which you presumably want to defend - the article 7 of the Polish constitution states that the authorities are bound to operate based on law and within the limits of the law - based on that (and the articles of the constitution regarding the constitutional tribunal) it can be argued that the president didn't have the right to reject signing twe five judges elected by the previous parliament as a form of my personal consolation after admitting the above I want to stress that PO goverment ignored or defied in a range of 20 rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal, passed the amended law to vote in 3 extra judges into the constitutional tribunal in clear violation of the constitution probably in hope that the Constitutional Tribunal would pass on that one like they did to the OFE contributions - which reminds me of utterly scandalous and/or absurd rulings by the Constitutional Tribunal itself proclaimed in the past


I should have said I was teasing with you a bit (which is also not entirely true) - I never claimed my English is perfect

Darling, compared to you, I am the elite. hahaha


Sanacja No 2 means semi dictatorship, just like before the war. Nikodem Dyzma`s careers. Little thieves, crafty fellows and frauds came into power. It is obvious that as a democrat and a decent man I am against them and will do whatever I can to contain their nasty objectives.


Not yet. Before I pass into oblivion, I will damage PiS` reputation a little more. hahaha

you mean szumowina?


Don't damage Poland in the process as you and your ilk seem to be only too happy to do.

"When you go low, I go high" has never been said by any member of PiS (or by any of their voters). So of course they couldn't wait a few days and swear in the judges that had lawfully been appointed and chosen two of their own - it had to be war against their enemies (which includes about half of Polish citizens) all the time.

It's bezinteresowne chamstwo all the way down.

B.S. The only people who are against reforming the courts are old ass pensioners with too much time on their hands and the LGBT crowd who loves the EU more than Poland.

One can reform different aspects and in different ways.
And Maf was talking about issues not connected to the latest bill. Try to keep up if you want to post with such authority. But let's be honest- you just want to repeat your slogans and catch phrases and not really follow Polish issues

which he doesn't even understand... what a choad.....

I'm well aware of what's going on. It's people so old that they're farting dust with too much time on their hands complaining about kicking out former PZPR members when they were rushed in by PO at the last minute. The KODerast crowd sponsored by jew ngos who sell Poland out to the Germans and EU

There's a reason why PiS remains far ahead of anyone else. Don't forget that. This is what PiS campaigned on and Polish voters clearly want.

there is, it's called vote-buying and will not end well...

Not at the last minute. They were appointed according to the schedule. There were others rushed (that's where PO tried to play dirty) but it wasn't about them. Plus- it had nothing to do with the reform. So either you mix different issues or your post doesn't make sense.

And I think you missed when I posted showing a poll (I know how you love them) when majority sided with Supreme Court not the government...

yawn....

Exactly- so why comment on an issue you don't know anything about and don't want to find out?

I know that there's a bunch of decrepit pensioners with too much time on their hands with more love for the EU than Poland. The ones who do whatever PO, and in turn the Eurocrats tell them to.

They're the same people who in the 90s brought the marriot brigades over selling out Poland piece by piece.

Clearly we all have to bow to your superior knowledge of the Polish legal system and actions taken by both sides of the conflict...
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll have a better luck with your rumbling on the off-topic threads that you love so much

Sure, why not


Im aware of their actions, the reasoning, etc. according to what is shown in media. It's not a matter of their actions, their actions are a manifestation of their ideologies. That's what it ultimately comes down to and precisely why I like PiS, Konfederacja, Korwin, etc. because many of their ideologies, and thus their reactions/actions, are similar to my own.

So breaking the law is fine as long as it's in the name of the right ideology? Good to know.
Thankfully it seems Poles don't agree with you

I am afraid you are using Polish words whose meanings you don`t really understand. Following your example, I could call you a thief or murderer, it would bear a similar message. :):)


Again, you didn`t understand my aims, darling. I am protecting Poland against such kanalias like PiS and you. :):)

you like nazis, what's the surprise?

good, you should.


I don't care what your aims are if you damage Poland in the process. Good intention be damned. You are making excuse for inexcusable.

Your childish mantras won`t help or change anything. Poland will pay dearly for PiS` madness. The EU won`t close an eye and will cut off the fund pipe. This means that one day, in free Poland, all PiS politicians will land in prosecutors` offices and then in courts for trial. And we shall discuss it in the new thread: DePiSification of Poland. hahaha

Pawian, let's be serious. The EU is a dog that barks a lot but cannot bite. The UE simply doesn't have any effective tools to deal with us. Especially with Poles being a top players who were trained in the most hardcore leagues in the past: Germanization league and Sovietization league. And survived both.

And they won't cut off any funds (like that's really a problem, but let's drop that for now) because 2/3 of each euro "donated" to Central Europe comes back to German economy anyway. You can say a lot about Germans but they know how to count money...


In free Poland, that is under the rule of National-Conservatists, all shady persons will be prosecuted for their transgressions. No matter from PO, PiS, SLD or the rest of the establishment. The way I see it some "liberal" politicians and some high court judges could be trialed for a high treason: collaborating with the EU beaurocrats against the interest of Poland. As simple as that.

Sounds like a Polandball fantasy. Or did you already forget about all the Poles who collaborated with the Communists?


It's more likely that the Konfederacja goons will be imprisoned for cooperating with Russians.

Oh, no. They are being remembered by their names and their current positions.

If we would simply forget their past transgressions that would send a wrong message for the rest of the society. Crimes and treasons have to be punished by the state.

What about pan prezes? His supposed biography makes no sense whatsoever unless you posit that his familiy had a working relationship with relatively high ranking members of the communist party... (at which point it makes a lot of sense).

What about Piotrowicz? How have his 'crimes and treasons' been punished? Or do you believe his fairytale about secretly helping dissidents (roundly rejected by those who were there at the time)?

And why are you asking me this? Am I a PiS member or sympathizer? :-)

Here's a though about Piotrowicz though. In my opinion Piotrowicz is a scum but a useful scum. Why not use one scum to get rid of another scum(s) from SN?

You can use a scums as a tool for achieving the greater goals but you should never make acquaintance with them.