Dodgy PRL-holdover judiciary finally reformed

So what? Even if it were true what's the big deal? Foreign countries, NGOs, etc. sponsor political groups all the time - no different with PO or the left, especially from Soros and all the pro-EU groups. So it's okay for one group to take money from a certain country, person or group but not another? Hmmm....

Good for them though - the nationalists need to get all the funding they can to fight the good fight. Idc if it's the Taliban or North Korea that gives NOP/ONR/RN/etc. money

Here, I agree totally. 3 years ago I was threatened to be shot, by a local "businessman", but decided not to press charges, on a hunch I was dealing with an old SB-ka, and thus could never come a winner, out of such a court case,

Despite PiS` brutal endeavours to subjugate and intimidate courts and judges, they still hold strong and remain independent, refusing to give in to PIS`s demands for submission . It happened today that professor Sadurski who in 2018 called PiS an "organized crime syndicate" was eventually acquitted by the Supreme Court which simply supported the two previous not-guilty rulings.

Polish judges are decent people. We can be only proud of their indomitable attitude despite PiS repressions. Thank you.

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They all should be let go. New people should be put in their place, They are a joke not judges, the new system be put in place to better control them.

PiS also thinks this way: new PiS- controlled judges should be installed. So that all PIS` crimes and scandals can be swept under the carpet, while the opposition and PiS` rivals to the throne are oppressed by PiS judiciary.

No, thank you. I prefer the traditional style when there are no holy cows.

Poland's politics are no different than the U.S.A.'s.


OH WHERE IS jon to make him eat his lying words about no collusion and how Crooked Hillary's campaign didn't organize and pay for it to influence the 2016 election.

Told ya so, jon, that it would eventually come out.
You were 100% WRONG, jon !
Oh I hope this finds her guilty and puts her in prison.

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And now to read that the same kind of lies to influence elections are being told for political advancements in Poland by both sides and how they get swept under the rug until they don't matter anymore.

You show your complete.ignorance yet again.
There is no comparison at all between Polish and American politics.
At all!

Poland's politics are pretty horrible, but at least there are people trying to do better.

The US (and UK) have degraded into cynicism and greed, as is fighting of dying empires...

@mafketis

Agreed.
So.no comparison.....JR was wrong again!

So, what your comment about ruling in the case of 'frog'? I think judges think they are holy cows and can do anything.

You probably have no idea what independent judiciary system means. Were you raised in Belarus that you want to subjugate judges so much? :):)

PiS idea of court system is Kangaroo court where the verdict is in before the parties present any argument. At least now there are still come judges who wont be bullied by PiS, and Ziobro is a Fing joke. Not only do his positions create direct conflicts of interest in the performance of duties, but he clearly has no understanding of what a judiciary without political influence looks like.

Granted, the US has political influences, those are largely based upon personal beliefs or religious beliefs. Even with those, 95% of the time, judges are not swayed by "interpretation" of the law. Many times in important decisions, even Chief Justice Roberts has gone against the President and his own party in support of the law. This is what a court should be like. PiS wants nothing to do with a court resembling this value system.

I think he does... he's just dead set against such a system... his goal is pretty openly 'rule of party (leader)' instead of 'rule of law'. In this way, he's the most dangerous current person in government (since he also pretty openly is aiming to step into the 'party leader' role...

You haven't addresed the issue here. Typical.
So, if a judge feel like it he can put an innocent man into jail or set free a criminal, with no consequences whatsoever.


So are you living in Poland? Seems to me you lie about it.


Really? What about the last election fraud. Seems to me your judges are in the pocket of your establisment.


there is not such a stystem it is just an idea. I think he want to emulate the German stystem.

@Cojestdocholery
There was no election fraud, even the Republicans have said this. Now go get an education on US Judicial system. In fact the USSC just ruled against Trump for the umteenth time on things and the Chief Justice who Trump appointed issued the ruling and the opinion. And before you make a legal comment you may want to know if you are talking to someone with a JD or not.

My point! Was there no fraud because a judge say so or there was no fraud becasue there was no fraud.
I don't know but I think it is a good chance there was no fraud because the court said so.
Good for you that trust into courts so much.

@Cojestdocholery
I also trust the Trump appointed FBI, Postal Inspectors, and DOJ. You know the guys who may owe him a favor that didn't do him any. Paranoia is not a good thing to have in political debate, it comes across as very Russian.

Frog was acquitted coz the Polish law is constructed that way - the penal code treats fast and furious driving as an offence, not a crime, so you can`t send anybody to prison for driving 200 kph in the urban area. He can be heavily fined and deprived of his license for years, but not imprisoned. If you want to see him in prison, you need the change the law first. Simple.

So, your blaming courts for such obvious rulings only proves that you are not only biased against independent judges but also clearly ignorant about the current law.


Today Frog has been detained in London and will soon be extradited to Poland to do an old 1.5 year sentence for illegal driving when his license was suspended, which is a crime in Poland.

I hope you are happy now and will praise independent courts. :):):)

That is a lie. Do you think that a regular person could get away with it? You lie.
That judge was either paid off or bowed to connections father of frog has or both.
Is that is the system that you defend? Good to know what you stand for!

:):) I see you are really stubborn. Or narrow-minded. Darling, remember, my mental construction bars me from lying - it is below my dignity. If I can`t tell the truth, I simply keep silent. Whenever I write sth in the forum, it isn`t a lie. Stop projecting your corrupt character onto me.

So, prove that it is lie. If you could, you would have already done it in that silly post of yours. You didn`t which means you can`t. Isn`t it simple?? :):):):)


Yes, darling. I stand for independence and decency, things you and other rightards have no idea of. Ha!


You see, you have no idea what you are talking about. :):):)

Indeed you are mental enough to believe crazy stuff you post here.

Yaaawn. Are you able to provide any logical arguments and proofs? Or only your usual cliche nonsense? :):)

Are delusional enough to think you post arguments and proofs here? No you don't, you post crazy stuff.

I explained to you the case of Frog in a very rational way. It is not my fault that you prefer to stick to your nonsense.

No you didn't. You made an excuse blame it on the law. That is nonsense.

No, your approach is nonsense if you want to punish people beyond the penal code limits. In that way., you want to break the law.

Start thinking! coz now it is obvious you aren`t.

Yes. Don't tell me some nosense about imaginary reality. In fact, that judge is a joke as is his ruling. He broke the law.

No.:):)


Darling, it wasn`t one judge but at least 3. That is why I said you have no idea whatsoever.


You`re a funny kid. :):)

one or ten it makes not diffrence.


You are an old fossil and it shows.

Yes, it does coz your ignorance shows you have no idea whatsoever. :):)


Yes, experienced and wise, mentalny bobasie. :):)