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Dodgy PRL-holdover judiciary finally reformed


gumishu 11 | 5,692
12 Feb 2020 #301
roundly rejected by those who were there at the time

roundly rejected by a single person - you probably don't read too many sources on the internet
mafketis 29 | 9,508
12 Feb 2020 #302
Why not use one scum to get rid of another scum

You have a PRL mindset...
Spike31 2 | 2,321
12 Feb 2020 #303
On a contrary. I've got clear goals to achieve yet I'm flexible with using various types of tools to achieve them.

Instead of waiting for "an ideal" circumstances one should work with what he's got here and now since not a pure abstract idea itself but a completion of that idea is what matters.
mafketis 29 | 9,508
12 Feb 2020 #304
. I've got clear goals to achieve yet I'm flexible with using various types of tools

aka the ends justify the means.... aka prl, gratulacje towarzyszu witamy w partii!
Spike31 2 | 2,321
12 Feb 2020 #305
@mafketis
I'm glad that you find calling someone "a communist" an insult. We're on the same page here :-)

ends justify the means

Not all means and not all ends. You may understand that one day.
pawian 178 | 15,897
12 Feb 2020 #306
And they won't cut off any funds

OK, let`s wait and see what they will do. :)

In free Poland, that is under the rule of National-Conservatists,

Hahaha that is a clever twist. :)

My comment: Oops, from the frying pan into the fire. :)

collaborating with the EU beaurocrats against the interest of Poland.

Nationalist, not free and democratic Poland.

Why not use one scum to get rid of another scum(s) from SN?

That`s pure Machiavelism. :)
Spike31 2 | 2,321
12 Feb 2020 #307
That`s pure Machiavelism. :)

Thank you
pawian 178 | 15,897
12 Feb 2020 #308
You can use a scums as a tool for achieving the greater goals

That scum versus another scum theory might be useful for today`s opposition one day. E..g, they might use some PiS scum who decides to save their skin against another PiS scum who vow to remain renegades and political gangsters till the end. You know, I mean świadek koronny - turn state`s evidence.
Spike31 2 | 2,321
12 Feb 2020 #309
@pawian

The thing is that so called "total opposition" PO-PSL+postcommies doesn't have any intelectual or mental capacity to take back the power.

They don't have any solid plans on how to rule the country nor elites who would carry it out and create ideas which would benefit the nation. They don't offer any constructive solutions for Poland and their only political "plan" is to remove PiS from power at all cost (including snitching to Brussels)...

All they can do it to re-act (poorly...) to new political situations generated by PiS.

The only constructive opposition to PiS is Konfederacja. 11 MEPs from Konfederacja introduce more quality to the parliament and makes more political difference that the whole "total opposition" combined.

It's thanks to them the whole "447" scandal has reached public opinion in Poland, which also pushed Kaczynski to make a public delaration about it. The same with a scandal of sexual indoctrination of children in schools by LGBT movement.

It was also Konfederacja who has forced PiS to remove post-commie SLD mep from the parliamentary commission about social politics and family.
pawian 178 | 15,897
16 Feb 2020 #310
Yes, I agree, they are too decent to fight political gangsters with their own weapons. But that`s what should be done - prać pisiorów po ryjach and look if they swell well. But the opposition is too delicate with PiS. hahaha

The only constructive opposition to PiS is Konfederacja.

Yes, exactly. Only political gangsters can successfully combat other political gangsters - they know all the tricks, strengths and weaknesses of their opponents. :)
gumishu 11 | 5,692
16 Feb 2020 #311
there is no point in discussing politics with pawian, Spike
pawian 178 | 15,897
16 Feb 2020 #312
Of course there is. At least we can have fun!
Ironside 50 | 11,258
16 Feb 2020 #313
sure a dangle dance would be most suitable for you.
pawian 178 | 15,897
16 Feb 2020 #314
Wow, I had no idea you crave for such pervy fun! hahaha

Sorry, I won`t do it for you. You have to find it online.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 Feb 2020 #315
It's thanks to them the whole "447" scandal has reached public opinion in Poland, which also pushed Kaczynski to make a public delaration about it

You mean it appealed to the 5-10% of voters who are obsessed with Jews but who are incapable of reading laws.
mafketis 29 | 9,508
16 Feb 2020 #316
the 5-10% of voters who are obsessed with Jews

Probably because many are worried about suspected (or known) Jewish ancestry themselves...
Ironside 50 | 11,258
16 Feb 2020 #317
are obsessed with Jews

Are you not the one obsessed with Jews. You talk about them oft enough?

Probably because many are worried about suspected (or known) Jewish ancestry themselves..

Was it you the one talking about Jewish racial characteristics of some people clearly visible in Poland. You must have some connection to the Nazis give your German ancestry.

geez ... you are like gossiping washerwomen making up rumors and stuff. phew!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,395
16 Feb 2020 #318
Piotrowicz is a scum but a useful scum

You can use a scums as a tool for achieving the greater goals

Sorry about that, but I couldn't resist. 'Scum' is an uncountable noun, but you use it as a countable one all the time. Plus, when you incorrectly used it in plural, you preceded it with the 'a' article.

Or maybe I miss something on English grammar?

I am afraid you are using Polish words whose meanings you don`t really understand.

This is no wonder. He has been outside Poland for so many years ...
Spike31 2 | 2,321
23 Feb 2020 #319
And how many years that would be? :-)
pawian 178 | 15,897
14 Jul 2021 #320
A little blow to rightards who tried to deform the judiciary system. The CJEU has just ruled that the Disciplinary Chamber of the Polish Supreme Court has to suspend all its activity coz it is illegal in view of the European Union law.

Nice. Thank you, EU.

there is no point in discussing politics with pawian, Spike

You don`t need to discuss anything with pawian if you don`t want to. Instead, pawian will discuss topics with you. Isn`t it more interesting?? hahaha
Novichok 1 | 2,929
14 Jul 2021 #321
The CJEU has just ruled that the Disciplinary Chamber of the Polish Supreme Court has to...

To be efficient, the CJEU copied a 1960 memo Moscow sent to the Polish collaborators.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,666
14 Jul 2021 #322
coz it is illegal in view of the European Union law.

Big deal. They can't enforce jack **** so it's pointless. It won't change a thing. Just like when the EU threatened sanctions, article 7, etc. etc. for things like refusing to take in migrants in 2015, not allowing gay marraige, PiS control of judiciary, etc. And what did PiS do? They gave the EU the middle finger, telling them to come enforce their "decisions" and "rulings," then kept going on with business as usual.
pawian 178 | 15,897
14 Jul 2021 #323
Yes, they keep on robbing and sucking Poland of its assets, that is why they need their own corrupt judiciary which will close an eye to PiS crimes.

But, if they don`t apply the EU law now, Poland will have to pay fines. One day, all those PiS rightards who have led to such a situation will be prosecuted coz there are appropriate articles in the penal code. I can`t wait. :):):)
Spike31 2 | 2,321
14 Jul 2021 #324
euronews.com/2021/07/13/poland-s-constitutional-court-to-rule-on-whether-eu-law-takes-priority

Simply put, Constitutional Tribunal of Poland has ruled that Polish Constitution stands above EU beaurocracy.
Furthermore, the EU can only use those powers that were directly ceaded to them by Poland and cannot usurp some extra powers.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,666
14 Jul 2021 #325
But, if they don`t apply the EU law now, Poland will have to pay fines.

Polish law trumps EU law de facto each and every time. A law, fine, etc. means nothing when it can't be enforced. Just look at the whole bogus article 7 procedures or when they tried to strip Poland of EU funds because we didn't want a flood of third worlders or even the situation in Crimea. Yeah, on the books de jure Crimea belongs to Ukraine, de facto and in reality in belongs to Russia.

The EU is all bark and no bite. PiS realized that a long time ago and that's why they can keep doing what they're doing, all while remaining the most popular party in Poland.

But, if they don`t apply the EU law now, Poland will have to pay fines.

Sure, even if that happens big deal a few million in fines for the EU to give Poland billions in funding. A good trade imo. As the saying goes, gotta spend money to make money...
pawian 178 | 15,897
14 Jul 2021 #326
The EU is all bark and no bite

Apart from fnes, they can also withhold funds for Poland.

that's why they can keep doing what they're doing,

And we shall see the results of such an approach. :)

the most popular party in Poland.

Yes, but their popularity is going down.
pawian 178 | 15,897
14 Jul 2021 #327
Constitutional Tribunal of Poland has ruled that Polish Constitution stands above EU beaurocracy.

The Tribunal is also illegal and you know about it. In free Poland all its rulings will be annuled,. Simple. So, can I ask you not to waste our time with certain illegal body`s activities?

This way or another, the result will be the same - the EU blocks major funds for Poland.
Do you really want it?
mafketis 29 | 9,508
14 Jul 2021 #328
How else can he justify a return to Moscow's sweet embrace?
Novichok 1 | 2,929
14 Jul 2021 #330
Life does not have to be so binary.

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