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How are electric cars doing in Poland?


Dirk diggler 9 | 4,779
17 Sep 2020 #301
Mercedes has had hybrid tech for a while on S-class, E-class and a few other models. They're also making smaller engines and turbo/twin turbo charging them. Less and less V8 and V12's in their line-ups = (

Konin

Really boring town, my grandma lived there for a bit.
cms neuf - | 1,607
17 Sep 2020 #302
Yeah it's a bit dull but a lot better than it used to be. I didn't realize until yesterday that it has quite a nice old town
jon357 67 | 17,551
17 Sep 2020 #303
Really boring town

Agreed. Turek too.

I didn't realize until yesterday that it has quite a nice old town

It's nice. Kutno, further along the railway line, is similar. Both have an OK town centre.

None of these places though are particularly affluent, and it will be a while before we see much of an uptake of electric vehicles there.
Vlad1234 16 | 756
18 Sep 2020 #304
according to Statistics Canada, the typical daily driving distance for Canadians is around 23 km

auto123.com/en/news/Mercedes-Benz-GLE-100-kilom%C3%A8tres/65213/
Vlad1234 16 | 756
20 Sep 2020 #305
The average single-trip distance? Just 5.95 miles. 95 percent of all rural-based trips were still under 50 miles.

greencarreports.com/news/1071688_95-of-all-trips-could-be-made-in-electric-cars-says-study
Vlad1234 16 | 756
23 Sep 2020 #306
Majority of Western-European countries have plans to prohibit sales of a new gasoline and diesel cars in 2030-2040 and permit to sell only all-electric. I think such prohibition would be excessive if they will prohibit even plug-in hybrids with electric range more than 50-100 km. It could hurt drivers with extreme expenses and inconvenience of the current all-electric vehicles, unless they will invent something completely revolutionary. Also I think there may be no need to prohibit those cars which run on biofuel or propane/methane, as they are relatively clean.
pawian 179 | 16,332
24 Sep 2020 #307
plans to prohibit sales of a new gasoline and diesel cars in 2030-2040 and permit to sell only all-electric

What?? Does it mean I will have to scrap my 40 year old vintage Diesel car? No way! I am going to move to Africa! Or Cuba.
Vlad1234 16 | 756
24 Sep 2020 #308
From what I've understood they are planning to ban just new diesel car sales in 2030-2040. So, those people who already have such cars will probably able to keep them as long as they want.

bnnbloomberg.ca/shell-says-u-k-can-bring-forward-gasoline-car-sale-ban-to-2030-1.1466990#:~:text=Johnson%27s%20government%20is%20seeking%20to,zero%20carbon%20emissions%20by%202050.
kondzior 12 | 1,242
25 Sep 2020 #309
Consider this:
Rudolf Diesel ran his diesel engine on vegetable oil and peanut oil. He didn't have access to fossil fuel.
He wrote a whole manifesto for his hopes the working class in villages and towns the world over would grow their own fuel and use it to power the diesel engine.

He died under (what some would call suspicious circumstances) on his way to Britain to convert their submarine fleet from petrol to diesel.
Petrol engines were 3x less efficient than diesel engines and yet it was petrol engines that were given to the public in Britain until the fuel crisis in the 70s that prompted the turbo diesel attachment to speed up the diesel engine.

All of the most reliable engines in every industry that fuelled the growth of the west were almost entirely diesel because of efficiency and reliability.

The fuel "diesel" was only named after Rudolf Diesel died, and most people are completely unaware that alternative fuels can be used to power the diesel engine.

Most people I've brought this up with think petrol is for petrol engines and diesel for diesel in much the same way as you would say electricity is for powering an electric car.

The reasons for not using vegetable oil (a clean burinig fuel without the polluting effects/contaminants of fossil fuel) are all weak.
The engine is essentially the same today as it was 100 years ago.

So in summary, if black Africans stopped killing white South African farmers, and learned the skill of farming from them...it could solve a lot of problems for them and other countries. And it could go a long way towards solving one big problem.

But then governments wouldn't get everyone financing electric cars that are just PCs on wheels would they? Electric cars that are not going to be financially viable to repair, so the working classes are going to be shackled to financing them/trading in every few years for the entirety of their driving lives.

So there it is. Pollution is real, but it needs to be seperated from what is the transfer of wealth and socialism under the politics of "global warming".
Vlad1234 16 | 756
25 Sep 2020 #310
Probably, the cheapest way to produce vegetable oil will be algae farms, ultimately. Maintenance and repair of plug-in hybrids is not more expensive than regular cars on average, from what I know.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
22 Feb 2021 #311
It's actually fun to combine power, size, and quietness. The ultimate car...

That will be the new Tesla Roadster which will be the fastest production car ever made.
It will do 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds, and the quarter mile in 8.9 seconds, faster than exotic supercars such as the Bugatti Veyron, Porsche 918 Spyder and McLaren 720s.

I like my big V-8 4x4 pick-up truck that has the power to pull a tractor on a trailer, plow snow right up over the hood without spinning a wheel, go thru deep mud, has off road capabilities that no car has and is loud and obnoxious.

That baby takes me where ever I need to go, on or off road.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
22 Feb 2021 #312
That will be the new Tesla Roadster

I don't like the concept and the price. A car that cannot go 400 miles on one fillup is a go-cart. Plus, the recharge time. Five max. But I admit that 1.9 seconds is amazing.

That's the advantage of DC motors with their flat torque curve - even at zero speed.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
22 Feb 2021 #313
I don't like the concept and the price.

So your suggestion would be a what for power, price, size and quietness ?
Novichok 1 | 4,255
22 Feb 2021 #314
Power: enough for 5.5s 0 to 60. Price: 30k. I always buy them used so that's not a problem. Size: 4-door sedan. Quietness: Low enough so I can whisper and still be heard at 70 mph. This last spec is mainly in the tires and the road if it's a V8.

Illinois roads in the Chicago area are so damn noisy from those left to right grooves.
The last and the most important spec is reliability after 100k miles. This eliminates all American cars from my shortlist. All those I had lost transmissions at 100k.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
22 Feb 2021 #315
That will be the new Tesla

Tesla is fvcked.... new tech has already made it obsolete.
jon357 67 | 17,551
22 Feb 2021 #316
An odd company with an even odder founder. They invested a lot in the early technology of electric cars however in the end, I've a feeling they could go the way of Betamax and 8 track.

Early adoption isn't always a plus. In America, they were still listening to music on wax cylinders and using pianola rolls at a time when everyone else was listening to music on 78s. Because of early adoption, and so many people having paid for the older products when they were new.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
23 Feb 2021 #317
They invested a lot in the early technology of electric cars

Milow is referring to the new blue gas technology.
Musk is no dummy, he will adapt.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
23 Feb 2021 #318
A car that cannot go 400 miles on one fillup is a go-cart. Plus, the recharge time

This is the problem with electric cars.Though, as you say, the acceleration is very impressive.

Milow is referring to the new blue gas technology.

I was, and filling a car up will be the same as petrol and of course the car's range will be much greater than electric.

Musk is no dummy, he will adapt.

I'm sure he will.I think it is the way to go, batteries just don't do it.
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
23 Feb 2021 #319
the car's range will be much greater than electric.

Only about 50 miles per tank.

batteries just don't do it.

And let me tell you what you are trying to say.
Batteries are heavier than the blue gas which makes the vehicle lighter to get the better mileage.
Remember Milo.............
Intelligence is like underwear.
It is important that you have it, but not necessary that you show it off.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
23 Feb 2021 #320
Only about 50 miles per tank.

300 miles actually, compared to 250 miles on a battery charge.

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9275621/Will-blue-gas-kill-Tesla-New-emission-free-liquid-hydrocarbon-fuels-300-mile-trip-tank.html
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
23 Feb 2021 #321
300 minus 250 = 50 and isn't that what I posted ?

Only about 50 miles per tank.

Am I missing something here ?
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
23 Feb 2021 #322
300 minus 250 = 50 and isn't that what I posted ?

Correct.

Sorry, I misunderstood your post........
johnny reb 31 | 5,774
23 Feb 2021 #323
Have you checked out the new Lucid, as it is a beautiful electric car.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
23 Feb 2021 #324
Have you checked out the new Lucid

I just have, as you say, a very nice looking car.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
23 Feb 2021 #325
Why would anybody buy an electric car? Please no lectures about global anything. Selfish reasons only.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,074
23 Feb 2021 #326
Why would anybody buy an electric car?

0-60 1.8 seconds.

But probably battery would be flat one minute later.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,116
23 Feb 2021 #327
Why would anybody buy an electric car?

Good question.
I would not but many would.
I think that you need to ask them that question.
The people that would/will/do buy those cars.
Novichok 1 | 4,255
23 Feb 2021 #328
0-60 1.8 seconds.

...whiplash and a wife telling you to never do it again.
Seriously, a Tesla that does 1.8s is like a 20,000-dollar Rolex. Both present the problem for the owner how to smuggle these two numbers into the conversation since he knows that the incremental value of both items is about zero.
Cargo pants 3 | 1,120
24 Feb 2021 #329
The people that would/will/do buy those cars.

One of them is me,who had bought and will buy the cyber truck,just cuz its fun and something different.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,779
24 Feb 2021 #330
Not so true about the Rolex... most models tend to cost more on the secondary market than straight from the authorized dealer...

But I doubt that Tesla will do well in Poland. They're too expensive for the average buyer, maybe the model 3 or cybertruck, but certainly not the model s or the suv they make


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