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How are electric cars doing in Poland?



McDouche 6 | 286    
30 Jun 2013  #1

There is no doubt we need to lower our dependence on fossil fuels. In America, we have Tesla Motors which is probably the best electric car company on the planet. In the US, Tesla Motors is doing very well with the Tesla Model S car. It is competing very well with other luxury cars from BMW, Audi, and others which is impressive considering Tesla Motors has very few dealerships.

I was wondering, are electric cars popular in Poland? Are they growing in popularity? Do Poles realize we need to lose our dependence on cars powered by combustion engines?


Meathead 5 | 475    
30 Jun 2013  #2

There is no doubt we need to lower our dependence on fossil fuels

Ethanol

Unfortunately Electric cars depend on the Electric Grid our most vulnerable energy network.
Wroclaw 45 | 5,409    
30 Jun 2013  #3

I was wondering, are electric cars popular in Poland?

no.

but Poland is a leader in gas (the vapour, not liquid) powered engines.
poland_    
30 Jun 2013  #4

I was wondering, are electric cars popular in Poland

Poland is developing charging station infrastructure in Gdańsk, Katowice, Kraków, Mielec and Warsaw. Funds for the project come from the European Union. The biggest organization in Poland in the area of electric vehicles is Klaster Green Stream.The Polish company 3xE - samochody elektryczne (3xE - electric cars) offer electric vehicle conversions of small city cars such as the Smart ForTwo, Citroën C1, Fiat Panda, Peugeot 107, Audi A2. The converted cars have a range of about 100 km (60 mi), using lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO batteries and brushless DC electric motors, and the conversion can cost less than €12,000.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,816    
30 Jun 2013  #5

Any idea how much one charge costs, Warszawski?
poland_    
30 Jun 2013  #6

Between 8-15 PLN per charge depending on outlet.

Delph, If you are thinking of a small runaround consider the Cygnet
astonmartin.com/cars/aston-martin-cygnet
better performance than electric cars and also eco friendly.
OP McDouche 6 | 286    
4 Jul 2013  #7

Not completely eco-friendly...

Also, the Tesla Model S smokes the Cygnet in performance. So no, the Cygnet does not have better performance than all electric cars.
newpip - | 140    
4 Jul 2013  #8

I have seen a few electric cars in Warsaw- they all have been Prius', and quite a few taxi's. My husband leased a client that required 4 or 5 electrical hook ups for their cars in the building.

Polish people need to justify the cost. The country is not there in being eko friendly. And most of the nouveau riche need to have their big ass suv's over an eko friendly car.
OP McDouche 6 | 286    
4 Jul 2013  #9

I have seen a few electric cars in Warsaw- they all have been Prius'

I probably should have specified all-electric cars. Prius cars are nice, but they are hybrid and therefore they still require gasoline/petrol.
pawian 127 | 6,556    
4 Jul 2013  #10

In America, we have Tesla Motors which is probably the best electric car company on the planet. In the US, Tesla Motors is doing very well with the Tesla Model S car. It is competing very well with other luxury cars from BMW, Audi, and others which is impressive considering Tesla Motors has very few dealerships.

Are you their dealer that you advertise their products so nicely? :):):)

Also, the Tesla Model S smokes the Cygnet in performance.

Thanks, now we know which model we should buy.

I was wondering, are electric cars popular in Poland?

Cars, not yet. But a few Polish cities use electric bus system. Gdynia, for example.

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And there are 120 tourist electric cars in Krakow

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poland_    
11 Jul 2013  #11

Polish people need to justify the cost. The country is not there in being eko friendly. And most of the nouveau riche need to have their big ass suv's over an eko friendly car.

Over 90% of Polish power is generated through coal fired plants, coal fired power plants are the biggest source of man made CO2 emissions. This makes coal energy the single greatest threat facing our climate.

If you want to be eco friendly forget about Electric cars in Poland its a myth, get a gas conversion for your car, cheaper and better for the environment.
Ryz - | 43    
12 Jul 2013  #12

Tesla cars are about as green as a plastic carrier bag.
OP McDouche 6 | 286    
12 Jul 2013  #13

It all depends where you get your electricity from. Yes, the production of electric cars is pretty bad for the environment but in the end, you more than make up for it by driving it for years.

Over 90% of Polish power is generated through coal fired plants, coal fired power plants are the biggest source of man made CO2 emissions. This makes coal energy the single greatest threat facing our climate.

Is the EU going to be useful and actually do something about that?
poland_    
12 Jul 2013  #14

Is the EU going to be useful and actually do something about that?

No they reneged.
Anthonycasey 1 | 11    
12 Jul 2013  #15

They're growing in popularity amongst Kraków's taxi drivers, who now run into pedestrians much more quietly than before.
Ryz - | 43    
12 Jul 2013  #16

ROFL!
InWroclaw 90 | 1,921    
8 Jan 2015  #17

Merged: Polish bus manufacturer Solaris might make huge plug-in electric bus

autos.yahoo.com/news/80-foot-long-electric-bus-concept-poland-uses-150004128.html

This massive plug-in electric bus concept comes from Polish bus-maker Solaris--and it uses fuel cells too.

The 24-meter (78.7 feet) double-jointed bus was developed in concert with the Technical Universities of Poznan and Warsaw, and is based on the existing Solaris Urbino series of buses.

Monitor 14 | 1,831    
8 Jan 2015  #18

In Munich they were considering order of electric buses last year, but after testing few brands (also Solaris) they concluded that they have substantially lower range than advertised (because of necessity of heating in winter for example) and are too expensive toys. If they really wanted to cut on emission they would switch buses to gas before better batteries are invented.
johnny reb 13 | 2,347    
27 Jun 2017  #19

Poland aims to have 1 million electric cars on its roads by 2025 as it seeks to cut carbon emissions.

If you want to be eco friendly forget about Electric cars in Poland its a myth, get a gas conversion for your car, cheaper and better for the environment.

I would have to agree as producing one battery for one of these electric cars would take as much carbon produced to run an 8 cylinder gas engine for eight years.

Yes, the production of electric cars is pretty bad for the environment but in the end, you more than make up for it by driving it for years.

Would you ?
Tell us where/how electricity is made in Poland and you are right back to solid fuels.
Poland's ruling conservative Law and Justice party promotes coal as the basic source of energy and has taken action to boost demand for coal, which it has in excess, to help its troubled mining firms.

It all sounds good but I am afraid it is the dog chasing it's tail when any actual cut in carbon emissions would occur in the long run.
Crow 136 | 5,748    
27 Jun 2017  #20

Good, nice, magnificent. So Tesla company have bright future in dear Poland.

Poland is developing charging station infrastructure

Wise investment.

BDW >

New Tesla Model S hypermiling record: over 900 km (560 miles) on a single charge
b92.net/automobili/vesti.php?yyyy=2017&mm=06&nav_id=1275131

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johnny reb 13 | 2,347    
27 Jun 2017  #21

I would have to agree as producing one battery for one of these electric cars would take as much carbon produced to run an 8 cylinder gas engine for eight years.

Bullshit

You doubt that weg ?
Do you know how long it actually takes to build a battery for an electric car ? Take a guess.
Unfortunately, both nickel - hydride batteries and the newer lithium - ion batteries rely on the mining of nickel, copper and so - called rare earth metals.

A lot of carbon is produced to mine those rare metals.
The production of lithium - ion batteries account for 2 to 5 percent of total lifetime hybrid emissions and nickel - hydride batteries are responsible for higher sulfur oxide emissions, roughly 22 pounds (10 kilograms) per hybrid compared with 2.2 pounds (about 1 kilogram) for a conventional vehicle.

get a gas conversion for your car, cheaper and better for the environment

Yes they are and no doubt about it.
Did I mention how much carbon emission it would require to recycle these batteries.
Over 90% of Polish power is generated through coal fired plants.
And how much carbon emissions does it take to produce enough electricity from coal to charge one of these cars ?
See why it is not b.s. weg.
Dirk diggler 4 | 782    
27 Jun 2017  #22

There's a lot of hybrids I.e. Toyota auris especially. People seem to drive cars with either a small often turbocharged diesel or will run their car on lpg. Gas is ridiculously expensive in Poland. Its perhaps the only common everyday item that's pricier than in the us.

However as far as electric cars I haven't seen one yet in poland. Perhaps a few wealthy people have them but i haven't seen one yet. Tons of hybrids diesel and lpg though
johnny reb 13 | 2,347    
3 Jul 2017  #23

Since the money for infrastructure of the roads being built and maintained comes from gas tax is it fair electric cars use these roads without paying any tax ?

A growing number of states are imposing new fees on electric vehicles as officials scrounge for ways to pay for infrastructure projects they say are long overdue.

At least five states, including California, passed bills targeting the cars this year, bringing the total number with fees on the books to 13.
The charges generally range from $100 to $200 a year.
weg04    
3 Jul 2017  #24

Since the money for infrastructure of the roads being built and maintained comes from gas tax is it fair electric cars use these roads without paying any tax ?

Fuel tax is used to pay for many other things besides roads. So, yes its fair.
jon357 70 | 12,776    
3 Jul 2017  #25

run their car on lpg

This isn't now as popular as it used to be.

as far as electric cars I haven't seen one yet in poland

Same here. They haven't caught on yet, although there are some electric/hybrid commercial vehicles.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,256    
4 Jul 2017  #26

They haven't caught on yet

i dont know, I was just in London and saw a few of those roadside charging ports.
mafketis 16 | 4,609    
4 Jul 2017  #27

I was just in London and saw a few of those roadside charging ports.

I recently saw a row of them at an upscale housing development in Poznan (City Park) about a half dozen and one or two were being used. I had no idea what they were at first.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,256    
4 Jul 2017  #28

I had no idea what they were at first.

yeh it was new for me too. But the car with the lead attached was a massive clue..:):)
Dirk diggler 4 | 782    
4 Jul 2017  #29

Itll take a while for fully electric cars to catch on in europe.

For one the cars are rather pricey and if you want a charger in your garage it can be even a $10k project depending on if you want the quick charge or the average one.. Either way it involves putting in new breakers running 6 to 2 Aug cables installing a 240 outlet among other things.. No small or cheap feat.

They're very popular in socal though
Atch 9 | 1,644    
4 Jul 2017  #30

Interesing. Electric cars are getting more popular in Ireland and the ESB (Electricity Supply Board, a state body) will install the home charger for free. Also the there is a 5,000 euro government grant for any individual towards buying an electric car. You can also use the ESB public chargers for free at present. I can't see any of those things happening in Poland though. Different culture.




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