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Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?


Ironside 51 | 11,499
12 Feb 2011 #241
You don't even hide your anti-Polish bias no more.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
12 Feb 2011 #242
Most Poles that I've met usually make fun of Poles abroad. I know quite a few Poles who are completely ashamed by the way that many of them act abroad. Bit like the Brits, really.

Sounds more like the Russians. Most Russians I know think Russians who fight tooth and nail for Russia on various national forums, yet deny their Russian ancestry, are morons.

I would say 1930's Poland did a great job of thoroughly ****ing off all its neighbours.

Well if you **** off the Nazis and Soviets (biggest European mass murderers around) I think you're doing something right.

These neighbors of Poland were also ****ed off at the Jews, so I guess the Jews "did a great job of ****ing them off" as well by your logic.

But you being of Russian ancestry, of course you see the Poles as always the bad guys when it comes to dealing with the Soviet Russians.
enkidu 7 | 623
12 Feb 2011 #243
why don't the citizens of Tusklandia, the subjects of Tricky Don & Count Bron

No patriot would call his own country and countrymen these names.

Only kundel could do it.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #244
enkidu
Greetings Kundel Enkidu! If what you say is true, I reckon there are no patriots in Poland. If you discount those who dislike the crook & conman Don & Bron Show, then what about those who spoke of Kaczory, kaczyzm, kurduple, karły, kartofle, etc.? Anyway, PiS is on the way back. The latest poll showed the lowest PO lead ever -- only 4 points ahead of PiS and continuing to slip. Welcome back IV RP. Wymieść komuchów, grandziarzy, sprzedawczyków i innych przekrętwców!!!
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #245
Welcome back IV RP

Wow. Welcoming something to a country you've never been to!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Feb 2011 #246
Anyway, PiS is on the way back. The latest poll showed the lowest PO lead ever -- only 4 points ahead of PiS and continuing to slip.

Another poll shows this - This shows the trend of PiS continuing to lose votes to the SLD, that we've seen in the last three elections.

Welcome back IV RP.

The IV RP is dead, thankfully. Polish electoral math means that any combination of PO/PSL/SLD will ensure that PiS stay in opposition for years to come. We've already seen such alliances being used against PiS in the provincial parliaments, and the general consensus is that those three parties all dislike PiS enough to keep them in eternal opposition.

Anyway Polonius, just when were you last in Poland and for how long?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #247
[quote=puella]Let's plead to ban all bungee, skateboarding, breakdancing, kebabs and KFCs and let's all eat pierogis and play palant (Polish cricket) instead...

The masters of distortion have again tried to read into a statement something that wasn't there. These things were mentioned not to urge Poles not to do them but to ask why RPIII has not produced a single equally known thing. Even tiny Finland has its Nokia and Lapland Santaland.

What one thing has post-PRL Poladn produced in the industrial, cultrual , medical, scientific or culinary field comparable in global appeal to Nokia, the taco, Guinness Book of Records, iPad, breakdancing, KFC, kebabs, sushi, etc.?

Just one thing? Modżer and Wiśniewski are not exactly household names in Tawian and Argentina. Even relatively well-
known Wajda is no Spielberg or Woody Allen.
Harry
12 Feb 2011 #248
Wow. Welcoming something to a country you've never been to!

Oh, come now! Polonius hasn't confirmed that he's never even been to Poland! He probably has a very good reason for ignoring our repeated questions about when he was last in Poland. Admittedly I can't actually think of one right now, but I'm sure that there is one.

Polonius3, when were you last in Poland?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Feb 2011 #249
These things were mentioned not to urge Poles not to do them but to ask why RPIII has not produced a single equally known thing.

Why not ask yourself why the reign of the ducks didn't produce anything "known" either? Anyway, there's plenty coming from Poland - but you wouldn't know this. Tell us, when were you last in Poland?

What one thing has post-PRL Poladn produced in the industrial, cultrual , medical, scientific or culinary field comparable in global appeal to Nokia, the taco, Guinness Book of Records, iPad, breakdancing, KFC, kebabs, sushi, etc.?

Every single one of those things except the iPad has been around for far longer than the III RP. Even Apple is what, around 15 years older than the III RP?

But then again, what would you know about Polish products, seeing as you won't answer the question about when you were last here?
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #250
ask why RPIII has not produced a single equally known thing

Probably because people have been too busy transforming a communist state into a dynamic and successful economy.

tiny Finland

Tiny? Get a better map.

Even tiny Finland has its Nokia

Which is going bust and may relocate to the US

Lapland Santaland

This was proposed for a town in Poland by the Order Usmiechu, but the PiS/LPR council vetoed it because the guy in charge at the time (a Righteous among the Nations and friend of JPII) was a mason.

industrial,

Some of the most efficient factories in the world.

cultrual

A flowering of literature and art. Not to mention world-class theatre.

medical,

Poland is a pioneer in bloodless surgery and Polish doctors are respected round the world..

culinary

How would you know about the culinary scene in Poland?

Come on then, we keep asking. When did you last live in Poland, and for how long? If at all. Have you even been there?
convex 20 | 3,978
12 Feb 2011 #251
What one thing has post-PRL Poladn produced in the industrial, cultrual , medical, scientific or culinary field comparable in global appeal to Nokia, the taco, Guinness Book of Records, iPad, breakdancing, KFC, kebabs, sushi, etc.?

A little bit of short man complex? Other than a pope, what has Poland produced post RPI that would make your list?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Feb 2011 #252
Which is going bust and may relocate to the US

Nokia are in all sorts of trouble, I've heard quite a few stories from people who don't know each other about their German operations - chaos and disorder seems to be the buzzwords. That link-up with Microsoft sounds like one desperate last roll of the dice - they've failed with Symbian and they just don't seem able to produce high end handsets anymore.

How would you know about the culinary scene in Poland?

naszdziennik.pl

"obiady domowe"
convex 20 | 3,978
12 Feb 2011 #253
they've failed with Symbian and they just don't seem able to produce high end handsets anymore.

They're just not marketing them properly. The n900 and mameo is probably the best handset going now a days. They just seemed to have lost the ability to market their product properly...sounds like quite a few companies here...
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #254
Nitpicking. Regardless of Nokia's current problems, it has already made a name for itself worldwide. I have not heard of vastly popular pierogi bars in Rio de Janeiro or Taipei, have you? In fact the pierogarnia in Warsaw's Bednarska street has gone out of busienss. The topic is something indigenously and recognisably Polish making it in the global mainstream. Breakdancing may be passé by now, but it has made its imprint. No Polish dance, song, fad, product, symbol, logo or brand

has done in that league, has it?
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #255
I have not heard of vastly popular pierogi bars in Rio de Janeiro or Taipei, have you?

Because they're bloody awful stodge. Even in Poland they're hardly something people eat every day, unless they can't afford better or they have babcia at home all day to sit and make them.

No Polish dance, song, fad, product, symbol, logo or brand has done in that league, has it?

Yet people there are happy and get on with life. You're missing the point, anyway. Pride isn't just to do with products or fashion is it. It is much deeper.

So when did you last live in Poland or even visit? And for how long?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #256
OK, pierogi are stogdy. So think up the best, finest, most delicous Polish dish you can imagine and answer why it has not made it worldwide. Same with other things. It is because today's Poles are stodges...rat-racing to the tune of foreign capitalist exploiters and leading an empty consumerist existence from month to month but devoid of any broader vision or deeper values. Never thinking or worrying about why my countr yis such a non-innovative, uncreative and uninspiring place.
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #257
devoid of any broader vision or deeper values

You have a very low opinion of Poland.

my country is such a non-innovative, uncreative and uninspiring place.

It is not your country. You have never even been there.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #258
I have a very realistic opinion of today's imitative and uncreative Poland. I But I am patient. I am still waiting for something Polish to be higlighted by CNN, Sky News, the Beeb, Newsweek, Spiegel, Paris Match, fashion boutiques, maybe at the Geneva Auto Show. Wherever! But for God's sake, do come up with something original at long last!!!
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #259
CNN, Sky News, the Beeb, Newsweek, Spiegel, Paris Match,

Evidently your only connection with Poland is through the media. The reality, as those of us who live there know, is very different. If you look at the media, it shows Burberry as a huge global brand. For me it's just an old and dirty factory rather too near a house I used to own. Just because you don't see Polish stuff every day on CNN doesn't mean Poland isn't a thriving and dynamic place.

Have you ever been to Poland? When? How long for?

It seems the answer is no.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Feb 2011 #260
You have a very low opinion of Poland.

No surprise - he's living thousands of miles away, well out of touch with anything happening in Poland and probably has never visited. My suspicion is that he's probably living in his parents basement, with a mundane job at the 7-11 and precious little to entertain himself apart from complaining about a country that he's never visited (but Busha told him about).

Evidently your only connection with Poland is through the media.

Of course, where do you think he gets his paranoia about the Government from?
Harry
12 Feb 2011 #261
maybe at the Geneva Auto Show

Poland actually produces by far the best car bodyshells in the world. There are two specialist car companies in Mielec which employ staff who used to make MiG fighters. One of them is an ultra-high-end company which counts amongst its customers the King of Sweden.

You might know these things, if you ever actually set foot in Poland.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Feb 2011 #262
I am quite aware of the Leopard sportscar, I believe that's the name. But that is something highly limited and obscure. The ideal Polish contribution should be:

-- something unique, not known eleshwere
-- Polish-designed
-- Polish-produced and (most importantly)
-- internationally acclaimed and hence imitated by othrs.
Do you know of one, only one such thing? Such thinking should occupy the hearts and minds of true Polsih patriots.
Wroclaw Boy
12 Feb 2011 #263
Have you ever been to Poland? When? How long for?

I would also like an honest answer to this question.
Ironside 51 | 11,499
12 Feb 2011 #264
Wow. Welcoming something to a country you've never been to!

So what, In a way I would back up what he says! You evidently have no idea what is all about in politics in Poland!

just when were you last in Poland and for how long?

Says working man

when were you last in Poland?

and his lackey !

eh ?
Torq
12 Feb 2011 #265
today's Poles are stodges...rat-racing to the tune of foreign capitalist exploiters and leading
an empty consumerist existence from month to month but devoid of any broader vision or
deeper values

Your impudence and self-righteousness is ceasing to be amusing and begins to annoy me, Plasticus3.

Who are you to tell me that we (I, my family, friends and other Poles in Poland) live an empty,
consumerist lives, devoid of deeper values? Are you trying to tell us that the throngs of
cowards, traitors and moral prostitutes who abandoned Poland in the hour of need, to lead
comfortable lives, and betrayed their Fatherland for a fistful of dollars, like cheap wh*res,
are somehow morally superior to Poles living in Poland? That the aforementioned kurwas
are somehow less involved in the rat-race and less dependent on "capitalist exploiters"?

I am still waiting for something Polish to be higlighted by CNN, Sky News, the Beeb, Newsweek,
Spiegel, Paris Match, fashion boutiques

such a non-innovative, uncreative and uninspiring place.

But you see, plastic-boy, we don't give a flying f*ck about CNN, Sky News, Paris fashion
boutiques etc. We also don't give a toss about pathetic holier-than-thou pri*ks like you,
trying to lecture us on what our country is or isn't.

In a way I would back up what he says!

Say what, Iron? You would back up what he says about Poles living empty lives, devoid
of values and our country being an uninspiring place? WTF?

Looks like somebody has hacked Ironside's account and is pretending to be him.

Says working man (...) and his lackey!

Well, actually plasticus3 is making them look like polonophiles in this thread!
Ironside 51 | 11,499
12 Feb 2011 #266
Say what, Iron? You would back up what he says about Poles living empty lives, devoid
of values and our country being an uninspiring place? WTF?

About politics ! Ans there is always a space for improvident !

Looks like somebody has hacked
Ironside's account and is pretending to be him.

My wife :D?

Well, actually plasticus3 is making them look like polonophiles in this thread!

Not really, they are having a go at him because he claims to be Polish, If he would say that he is an American and started writing bad about Poles, they would either ignored him or agreed with him, don't let them fool you !

I find his(polonius) posts rather interesting.
Torq
12 Feb 2011 #267
As for the subject of this thread - I am a part of Polish nation. A nation that, throughout
1000 years of history, had produced its share of traitors, cowards and common kurwas,
but a nation nonetheless who built a powerful country, which in XVI century had greater
potential than the 3 countries that partitioned it later had put together. The country in which
Poles, Lithuanians, Belarussians, Ukrainians, Germans, Scots, Tatars and Jews had found
common home. The country that for centuries had been the Antemurale of Christianity and,
even under partitions and being subjected to terrible persecutions, defended and kept its
traditions, culture and language.

I share the common-sense opinion that every one of us should be proud of his own
achievements, instead of trying to find some sort of substitution for it in exaggerated
patriotism, but I also know that a country, a Fatherland - is something that was brought
to live by the best of the best in our nation. It was won and paid for with their blood
and it is an embodiment of our nation's dreams, hopes and aspirations. I recognize the
contribution and sacrifice of all those great Poles, who gave their lives for Poland,
and I hold dear the memory of them. If need be, I hope and believe that I will find
the strength in me to follow in their footsteps one day, if such necessity arises.

Yes - I am proud to be Polish and don't care a bit what BBC, Paris Match, Sky News,
Der Spiegel or Newsweek think of that. Sorry.
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Feb 2011 #268
they are having a go at him because he claims to be Polish

In my case having a go (and a very serious go) because of some real nastiness, repeatedly and over a long period and often highly personal - even posting links to coprophilia websites, of all weird things. And the constant nasty trolling about homosexuals raiding kindergartens with dildos in hand etc

That and totally misrepresenting Poland as a kind of Kossak painting frozen in time, spitting at the people who live their lives there, pontificating that they shouldn't get jobs in large corporations, eat foreign food (sorry guys Pol3 says you can't have a hot dog) listen to foreign music etc, whereas at the same time he runs down the things that Poles actually do like. Check the first post in this thread - he's saying that Poles should be proud of all sorts of things, some imaginary and some downright unpleasant, and in later posts that they shouldn't be proud of what they have really achieved.

What Torq has just said about people finding their home in Poland is true. I prefer it in many ways (maybe every way) to the place I came from. Moving there changed my life. For the first time I felt truly at home somewhere. My nearest and dearest there seem to have forgotten I'm foreign. It isn't perfect - nowhere is perfect, but it's doing pretty well - very well considering the obstacles that history has put in Poland's way. I don't like to hear people who've never been there coming out with hateful crap about Poland.

And of course it turns out that Pol3 never even lived here. Perhaps never visited. Ever. And probably couldn't cope if he did.
Piast Poland 3 | 182
12 Feb 2011 #269
I too would like too know when and if Polonius3 has been to Poland.

He seems to have and extremely low opinion of the country and makes a false title for the thread. He is most definitely not proud, I would say even ashamed. I am also beginning to wonder if he is a Pole. If he never has been to Poland his disconnection is understandable. I wonder where he gets his historical information and new on Poland.

It would be nice to see Poland with a product or thing that it is renowned for but look at the history. Maybe we would still have FSO that would have developed into a large car manufacturer, but things did not evolve that way because of events.

Its sad that a Pole would put so much criticism on the country. Criticism is good and can lead to improvement but the amount he spews sounds more like hatred. Funny how foreigners are defending the country against a Pole.
Harry
12 Feb 2011 #270
a Pole.

You're using a very very broad definition of 'Pole' there. Generally Poles have at least set foot in Poland: Plastic3 won't even confirm that he has done that!


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