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Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?


Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
2 Aug 2011 #331
ok.. thats out of the way ;)

with that. I will say,, I am proud to have my ethnic background.

But I realize they have similar problems , I hope can be Changed for the better :)
sascha 1 | 826
2 Aug 2011 #332
Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?...

...just like any other nation because of its ethnicity. it's normal.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
3 Aug 2011 #333
@Patrycja19
it's like you read one thing and then responded to something completely different.
Being proud of something is not the same as "admiring" or "appreciating" others or what they accomplished. Just because it makes no sense to do one does not preclude the others. If that makes sense to you then I'll consider that your apology.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
3 Aug 2011 #334
admiration:

a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2. the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure: admiration of fine paintings.
3. an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval: The dancer was the admiration of everyone.
4. Archaic . wonder; astonishment.
Hebrew Dictionary

Proud:feeling pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable

it's like you read one thing and then responded to something completely different.
Being proud of something is not the same as "admiring" or "appreciating" others or what they accomplished. Just because it makes no sense to do one does not preclude the others. If that makes sense to you then I'll consider that your apology.

I think the two are very close in meaning..

you can admire others the same as you can be proud of others
the two meanings are pretty much the same

you can admire a painting you son did or you can be proud of a painting your son did.

I know where you going with this, you think its more arrogant meaning, people acting conceited
but theres other meanings so you cant place one on the individual if you dont know how he
is presenting it..

anyways,, dont get your pride up babe.. cause Im not going to say it again when i said it once

:) lol
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
3 Aug 2011 #335
you can admire a painting you son did or you can be proud of a painting your son did.

Well presuming I've taught him something to contribute to that then yes that makes sense. Him taking pride in what his great-grandfather did is simply erroneous as he had nothing to do with what great-grand daddy F4 did.

The meanings of the words "pride" and "admire" are not the same, they are related but different, if English is not your first language then it's a somewhat forgivable mistake but a mistake nonetheless.

Does it stand to reason then that non Poles can be proud of what Polish people accomplished generations ago? Does it stand to reason then that Poles can take pride in the accomplishments of Russians? Egyptians? Greeks?

The correct answer should lead you to the conclusion much of your pride has been misplaced during your lifetime.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
3 Aug 2011 #336
- we were the first to bring down communism.

this isn't a thing to be proud of. however, you can be proud of bringing down artificial communists Russian Soviets. Note that Europe getting poorer and poorer who were anti-socialists/anti-communists before will be socialists/communists more and more.. One wonder what will be the new position of Poland then. We'll see after the change in Western Europe.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
3 Aug 2011 #337
Does it stand to reason then that Poles can take pride in the accomplishments of Russians? Egyptians?

only if they are half Polish and half russian or Egyptian... even 1/3 and 1/4 could count too :)

Does it stand to reason then that non Poles can be proud of what Polish people accomplished generations ago?

yes, if its something that our ancestors have accomplished that we are here today and we can learn
from this and move forward into the future with the feeling of greatness and continue on because
of it.. yes, I think feeling proud is quite accurate..

my father fought in WWII.. he joined Our Proud country in a fight to keep us safe.. I am proud
of his accomplishments and will cont to feel proud and I will use what I know to help others.

I certainly dont feel sad or disdain or angry or nothing at all.. if he didnt go , like so many others
and fight, things would be much different < it could have changed history> but he did and I am
glad, and I am proud he wore his uniform to save others.. makes me feel good.

you Mister just have a bug up your butt.. lol

let me ask you, do you have any family in the past that might have fought for whatever reasons
they believed in ?

And do you think highly of them for putting themselfs in such a dangerous position?

Why does it bother you so much that others want to be proud to begin with?

have you ever accomplished anything in your life you can feel good about?

do you ever hear good things from someone when you accomplish a goal?

no this isnt Dr Phil.. but if you answered no to the last Question.. then I can see what is wrong
if you answered yes.. then you should stop being conceited. :)

everyone deserves to be given credit and if someone they are close to feels proud of this, so be it.

And the only difference to the two words is ONESELF.. but the guy who invented it a LONGGGGGGGGGG time ago, forgot that others can be proud too PLURAL = more then one as

we are PROUD TO BE AMERICANS and WE <~PLURAL as a nation should be proud of our constitution
and what OUR forfathers accomplished ... this speech is told over and over to us.. are
you going to challenge the president of the United states and his crew should i say for using
these same words every time?

I just think you WONDER to much :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Aug 2011 #338
Identity with elasticity, that's the way :)
valpomike 11 | 197
3 Aug 2011 #339
I am a proud Polish-American, as many are, and will be forever. Many don't even know where there parents or grandparents, or great grandparents, came from. I do, and I am very proud.

Mike
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Aug 2011 #340
How's the bigos in the US? Are the regional dishes good there?
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
3 Aug 2011 #341
I am a proud Polish-American, as many are, and will be forever. Many don't even know where there parents or grandparents, or great grandparents, came from. I do, and I am very proud.

So you are proud to know where your parents are from, awesome. Did you get a special diploma the day you finally memorized your home address?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
3 Aug 2011 #342
I am a proud Polish-American. I am proud of my people's contrarian nature. I am proud of our innate sense of justice. I am proud of our anarchical spirit. Polish-Americans are at least 10 million strong, and estimates place the percentage of Americans with some Polish anscestry as high as 40%, and this is because we tend to be physically attractive thus attracting many mates and producing much progeny.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
3 Aug 2011 #343
Does it stand to reason then that Poles can take pride in the accomplishments of Russians? Egyptians? only if they are half Polish and half russian or Egyptian... even 1/3 and 1/4 could count too :)

Does having the same haplogroup count? The majority of western european men actually share a common ancestor with king tut. So what with all the intermingling over history, it stands to reason some Poles do belong to this haplogroup. My point is, at what point does a person admit they had nothing at all to do with something, don't take pride in it but still admire it all the same?

I certainly dont feel sad or disdain or angry or nothing at all.. if he didnt go, like so many others and fight, things would be much different < it could have changed history> but he did and I am glad, and I am proud he wore his uniform to save others.. makes me feel good.

The course of the world very likely did not depend on your grandfather's contribution, however noble it was, during the war. I'm glad you feel good about his actions though and take issue with any suggestion I'm telling you not to. As far as pride goes, see my previous query.

let me ask you, do you have any family in the past that might have fought for whatever reasons they believed in ? And do you think highly of them for putting themselfs in such a dangerous position? Why does it bother you so much that others want to be proud to begin with? have you ever accomplished anything in your life you can feel good about? do you ever hear good things from someone when you accomplish a goal?

yes to all questions but I feel proud about the things I've done or caused to happen and I feel other emotions which are also positive regarding things I had nothing to do with. Your perspective allows one to feel pride for being born in a particular place or for having a certain eye colour or for belonging to a gender group. It's ridiculous.

The reason why this annoys me is(here comes a simple idea that will take a lot of writing to properly explain and if you make it through then you have my respect on that), other than lazy thinking, because of what it leads to. What I mean is, it affects the way we communicate for the worse. Take your example. All that is required to program people is for there to be a politician telling you what to think or say. Politicians love oversimplification and this kind of thinking leads to gross oversimplifications and that affects you for the worse in the long run. Here's an illustration:

Are you proud of your family?- For sure I am!
Are you proud of your grandfather?-As sure as there was hair on his ass!
Are you part of this country?-Damn straight I am!
Do you take pride in your country?- Of course I am, this country has accomplished so many amazing things!*
Are you proud of everything we stand for?- As God is my witness!
Are you against tyranny?- Of course I am!
Are you against everything "they" stand for?-Of course I am against "them!"
Do you support our country, us, against them, that country over there?-Hell Yeah! They can go to hell!

And that easily you end up with people referring to nations as they would an individual such as in the line with an "*" symbol. Even in the media you'll regularly read or hear that "China did this" or "India wants to do that" and other such inane oversimplifications and nobody thinks in anything beyond the most elementary patterns. And it all begins with a failure in vocabulary.

The other things that happen are refusal and denial.

People, if they want to take pride in anything attributed to the nation they belong to, are loathe to accept any blame or shame for things attributed as well, call it human nature. Nothing is ever "their" fault because anything negative simply never happened "that way" and it is always because of what the other country did (never mind that countries aren't characters that get up at 6 and eat breakfast at 9 and so on). In the case of denial, people just deny that anything is wrong because that would force them to admit that the very way they have thought and looked at the world is deeply, deeply flawed.

The same people who puff themselves up and take so much pride of, let's say "their" military will turn around and refuse responsibility. If they're confronted about historical treachery or something like their government sponsoring a military coupe or the bombing of civilian targets by "their" military, they'll say I had nothing to do with it. It happened half-way around the world from me." Or you'll hear this one "I wasn't even alive then, how can they blame me for that?" if told they should be pay reparations for slavery or colonization in the past. And in those instances they'd be right, it's just once things are positive then they're on the bandwagon.

Feel whatever you want to feel but there's no reason to feel offended that someone else thinks beyond the pale upon the same matter.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
3 Aug 2011 #344
Des Essientes said: I am proud of my people's contrarian nature. I am proud of our anarchical spirit ... we tend to be physically attractive

Yeah, you're such a good looking anarchist, and always so "contrarian" when your boss tells you what to do... :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
3 Aug 2011 #345
I am proud of my people's contrarian nature.

Right. That's why millions of Poles collaborated with enemies throughout history, including even betraying the country in order to prevent their countrymen from enjoying democracy. Give me a break - Poles are as conformist as everyone else.

I am proud of our innate sense of justice.

Innate sense of justice? You've clearly never studied the Polish legal system - if you had, you'd soon know that "justice" often depends on personal contacts.

I am proud of our anarchical spirit.

Anarchical spirit? When was the last time Polish-Americans rebelled against...well..anything?

-Americans are at least 10 million strong, and estimates place the percentage of Americans with some Polish anscestry as high as 40%, and this is because we tend to be physically attractive thus attracting many mates and producing much progeny.

Watch it.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Aug 2011 #346
Are the Scots any different, delph? Breivik had a point, the Japanese tend to have honour and dignity beyond ours but, in a European context, the Poles and the Scots fare pretty darn well, I'd say.
pawian 179 | 16,285
4 Sep 2011 #347
Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?

They can be proud of creating their own country in 10 century:

making it a power in Europe, from sea to sea.
then dissipating and losing it completely for 123 years
and recreating again:
and losing again
and recreating again

Isn`t it fekking admirable?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #348
Because they have come through all manner of things, right in the face of adversity. That takes courage and guts!
noreenb 7 | 557
4 Sep 2011 #349
A naive answer maybe, but, because Polish are a proud nation.
:)
To be more specific, I am proud mostly of Polish writers: Sienkiewicz, Reymont, Słowacki, Norwid, Wyspiański, the list could be very, very long...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #350
A blonde moment, noreen? ;)
noreenb 7 | 557
4 Sep 2011 #351
Yes, an injection of energy.
:)
Don't know why though.
:)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #352
Energy, so that's what you call it? ;)

Poles should be proud of producing so many top notch IT guys. They can make a great difference in a key area for Poland.
noreenb 7 | 557
4 Sep 2011 #353
I think you are right.
Polish IT guys are close to being extremely good.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #354
Many are award-winning whizzkids. If Poland is to prioritise, they should place heavy emphasis on harnessing the talent of these guys. They can really bolster the efforts of modern organisations and have the potential to create cutting-edge technological applications which will lead to breakthroughs. How can Poland not be proud of that emerging reality?
noreenb 7 | 557
16 Nov 2011 #355
To continue the topic:
The more I try to see reality around me - the more surprised I am. actually many things change for tbe better: everything changes and the pace of these changes just surprisees me:he is horrible from one point of view, but, on the other and hand it's good.

well, I can only say that the world changes only if we are ready to notice it. If we aren't and everything around us just seems to grey (like polish films) for example.

I have a friend who used to say every single time I was with her to see a movie that polish firlms are grey. I don't now what did she want to say, but, watching films depends od your personl abilities to see what the screenplayer or director want to show.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
16 Nov 2011 #356
I have a friend who used to say every single time I was with her to see a movie that polish firlms are grey.

You could have gone to see something like "Dlaczego nie!" instead :)
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Nov 2011 #357
What about not being proud as such, and just being neutral about it?

Humbly recognising that there are both good and bad things about Poland (like everywhere) is much more likely to garner praise from outside of Poland - I'm being serious by the way. Patriotism and "bigging up" is never attractive and is more likely to draw criticism even if it's unwarranted. Just a suggestion...

: )
teflcat 5 | 1,032
16 Nov 2011 #358
What about not being proud as such, and just being neutral about it?

Quite. I am (I hope quietly) proud of some things that I have personally done. My mother was Irish; my father English. Am I proud of Isaac Newton or Shakespeare; Joyce or De Valera? Why should I be? It would be as absurd as someone being proud of the Grand Canyon or coming from the country which was the first to enfranchise women. Be proud of what you (or, at a stretch, your kids) have achieved.
marta1712 - | 1
16 Feb 2016 #359
im proud to be polish because its where im from, its where i was born, where i grew up, where i spent the best days of my life. its where my family are from and live, and the reason my ancestors fought and died was to keep it standing. its the place i call home. i have polish blood running through my veins and thats why i am proud and so should everyone who is polish.
Tictactoe
16 Feb 2016 #360
You love it so much you don't seem to live there.
Your country needs you, she is your mother, you desert her and don't help her to get back on her feet. You choose to leave her and let others it for you, you may be proud of Poland but I doubt she would be proud of you.


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